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Installing Open Solaris under Parallels

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jim - 11 May 2008 09:53 GMT
Anyone done this? I'm having a problem installing it. I've downloaded
the current Open Solaris image (os200805) but when I try to install in
Parallels it seems to have problems like this:

<http://www.ursaminorbeta.co.uk/OpenSolaris.png>

This is before it's given me any options.

Any thoughts? (Oh, the 'Time of Day' warning is just because I resumed
the VM)

Jim
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jim - 11 May 2008 10:09 GMT
> This is before it's given me any options.

Sorry, my mistake - it's after you've chosen the boot method (graphic or
text based) and after you've chosen the keyboard and language.

Then it gets stuck.

I've added two serial ports (as text files) but is there anything else I
need to add in for it to work?

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Chris Ridd - 11 May 2008 10:14 GMT
> Anyone done this? I'm having a problem installing it. I've downloaded
> the current Open Solaris image (os200805) but when I try to install in
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>
> This is before it's given me any options.

I got that when I tried installing into Qemu on my Powerbook. Yes, I
was feeling insane.

I'm not sure what was amiss (all the things listed are system services,
so the problem must be pretty fundamental), but booting on a Dell or a
Thinkpad worked perfectly.

Did you try the text boot? (Second option in grub.)

> Any thoughts? (Oh, the 'Time of Day' warning is just because I resumed
> the VM)

Try VirtualBox or Fusion?

Cheers,

Chris
jim - 11 May 2008 10:22 GMT
> > Anyone done this? I'm having a problem installing it. I've downloaded
> > the current Open Solaris image (os200805) but when I try to install in
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>
> Did you try the text boot? (Second option in grub.)

Yeah, tried that as well - no joy.

> > Any thoughts? (Oh, the 'Time of Day' warning is just because I resumed
> > the VM)
>
> Try VirtualBox or Fusion?

I'm really only doing this out of curiosity. I may just burn the image
and install it on my junker P4.

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Ian McCall - 11 May 2008 10:26 GMT
>> Try VirtualBox or Fusion?
>
> I'm really only doing this out of curiosity. I may just burn the image
> and install it on my junker P4.

I'm also curious - might well try putting it on VMware. Has it got a
decent apt-get alike yet? That's what put me off the last release, the
patch management was terrible.

Cheers,
Ian
jim - 11 May 2008 10:27 GMT
> >> Try VirtualBox or Fusion?
> >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> decent apt-get alike yet? That's what put me off the last release, the
> patch management was terrible.

This is the first tie I've played with Solaris, so I've no idea, sorry.

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Chris Ridd - 11 May 2008 10:39 GMT
>>> Try VirtualBox or Fusion?
>>
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> decent apt-get alike yet? That's what put me off the last release, the
> patch management was terrible.

s/patch/package/?

But yes, Sun are finally switching away from SVR4 packaging (which
they'd extended to support repositories and stuff) to something they've
written called IPS. It relies on ZFS, and handles dependencies and so
on sensibly. There's a GUI (!) Not written in Java (!!) The main
downside is there aren't many decent 3rd party repositories around at
the moment - I wasted an afternoon trying to use Blastwave's beta IPS
repository - but it is early days.

The docs for IPS are a bit brief too. If you google for "ips
opensolaris" you should find most of them.

I don't know how patches are going to work with IPS.

Cheers,

Chris
Ian McCall - 11 May 2008 10:46 GMT
>> I'm also curious - might well try putting it on VMware. Has it got a
>> decent apt-get alike yet? That's what put me off the last release, the
>> patch management was terrible.
>
> s/patch/package/?

Yes. I want to do apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade
--show-upgraded, hit 'y' and know everything's up to date. I also want
to do apt-get install postgres, for instance, and have postgres ready
to use.

> But yes, Sun are finally switching away from SVR4 packaging (which
> they'd extended to support repositories and stuff) to something they've
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> the moment - I wasted an afternoon trying to use Blastwave's beta IPS
> repository - but it is early days.

They hired Ian Murdoch didn't they? The Ian of Debian. Since Debian is
my gold standard of package management, and since previous Solaris
versions...well...weren't, I'm hoping for better things.

I like Solaris. Solaris 10 is something I want to get into. But I'm not
going to turn Solaris sysadmin and start hunting through patch
repositories. If they want to call it ips then fine, but ips
dist-upgrade --show-upgraded and ips get postgres please, or else I'll
just stick with Linux despite the better tech in Solaris (kernel better
unless you need vast driver support, ZFS, dtrace).

Cheers,
Ian
Chris Ridd - 11 May 2008 10:58 GMT
>>> I'm also curious - might well try putting it on VMware. Has it got a
>>> decent apt-get alike yet? That's what put me off the last release, the
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> to do apt-get install postgres, for instance, and have postgres ready
> to use.

Update all installed packages - pkg image-update

Install Postgres (though I think its there already) - pkg install postgres

> They hired Ian Murdoch didn't they? The Ian of Debian. Since Debian is
> my gold standard of package management, and since previous Solaris
> versions...well...weren't, I'm hoping for better things.

It is pretty good. It takes advantage of more sophisticated
underpinnings than Linux has got (ie ZFS), so is probably more robust
too.

> I like Solaris. Solaris 10 is something I want to get into. But I'm not
> going to turn Solaris sysadmin and start hunting through patch
> repositories. If they want to call it ips then fine, but ips
> dist-upgrade --show-upgraded and ips get postgres please, or else I'll
> just stick with Linux despite the better tech in Solaris (kernel better
> unless you need vast driver support, ZFS, dtrace).

Assuming s/patch/package/ then you've got it.

Cheers,

Chris
Ian McCall - 11 May 2008 11:42 GMT
>> ...I want to do apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade --show-upgraded,
>> hit 'y' and know everything's up to date. I also want to do apt-get
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Install Postgres (though I think its there already) - pkg install postgres

Sold. One download coming up.

Cheers,
Ian
Jaimie Vandenbergh - 11 May 2008 11:22 GMT
>> > Anyone done this? I'm having a problem installing it. I've downloaded
>> > the current Open Solaris image (os200805) but when I try to install in
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>
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Jaimie Vandenbergh - 11 May 2008 11:39 GMT
Whoops. I'll try that again.

I just downloaded the 2008.05 iso image, and it seems to go absolutely
swimmingly. Parallels build 5600, I used all default settings for
Solaris 10 except I added two serial ports (as files) since you
mentioned them and set the VM to "prefer performance for OS X".

I'm using the .iso file directly. No trouble at all so far, although
I'm amused to see that at the keyboard etc choosing screen backspace
*still* isn't set up properly in the terminal, same as it wasn't back
in 1995 or so when I first installed Solaris on an Intel.

    Cheers - Jaimie
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Jaimie Vandenbergh - 11 May 2008 12:14 GMT
>Whoops. I'll try that again.
>
>I just downloaded the 2008.05 iso image, and it seems to go absolutely
>swimmingly. Parallels build 5600, I used all default settings for
>Solaris 10 except I added two serial ports (as files) since you
>mentioned them and set the VM to "prefer performance for OS X".

Oops - I also set the memory to 768meg, since that's what the
screencast says is minimum for the GUI installer to run properly/at
all. Testing at 256meg, the installation just wedges a couple of
minutes after choosing your keyboard layout.

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jim - 11 May 2008 12:36 GMT
> >Whoops. I'll try that again.
> >
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> all. Testing at 256meg, the installation just wedges a couple of
> minutes after choosing your keyboard layout.

Aha! That sounds like it might be it. I'll give that a try, thanks.

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jim - 11 May 2008 12:41 GMT
> > Oops - I also set the memory to 768meg, since that's what the
> > screencast says is minimum for the GUI installer to run properly/at
> > all. Testing at 256meg, the installation just wedges a couple of
> > minutes after choosing your keyboard layout.
>
> Aha! That sounds like it might be it. I'll give that a try, thanks.

Bingo. Bad case of !RTFM on my part.

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Jaimie Vandenbergh - 11 May 2008 13:00 GMT
>> > Oops - I also set the memory to 768meg, since that's what the
>> > screencast says is minimum for the GUI installer to run properly/at
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Bingo. Bad case of !RTFM on my part.

There seems to be a dramatic shortage of Ms to R, which is a bit of a
worry, and certainly not a positive change since going Open. Hmm.

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Chris Ridd - 11 May 2008 13:40 GMT
>>>> Oops - I also set the memory to 768meg, since that's what the
>>>> screencast says is minimum for the GUI installer to run properly/at
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> There seems to be a dramatic shortage of Ms to R, which is a bit of a
> worry, and certainly not a positive change since going Open. Hmm.

Agreed, and the oddest things are missing too. Nothing on user_attr for
example.

Cheers,

Chris
 
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