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iMac in a business environment on a network I have parallels but have not installed it yet - would anyone answer a couple of really basic Q's ? - Do I need to buy a full version of Windows, e.g WindowsXP ? - Will it take up humungous amounts of space as it does on a PC ? - Will it go through the updates process as it does on a PC ? - Do I need to run it's own antivirus and firewall apps ... separate from the MACOSX ones ? - Do both systems stay running at the same time ? - Can I toggle between them ? - Do I therefore need >2 or even 3Gb RAM to make it all work reliably ? - Will I stay on the network ? or will MacOSX stay on it and Windows not ? - Is it reliable enough to run a business Accounts application ? Sorry for being so ignorant of how this works..  SignatureHoward On Sun, 11 May 2008 01:15:16 +0100, Howard wrote > iMac in a business environment on a network > > I have parallels but have not installed it yet - would anyone answer a > couple of really basic Q's ? > > - Do I need to buy a full version of Windows, e.g WindowsXP ? Yes. Parallels (and Boot Camp) run full, licensed versions of Windows. They're not emulating it in any way therefore you will need a full Windows license > - Will it take up humungous amounts of space as it does on a PC ? Yes, it's Windows > - Will it go through the updates process as it does on a PC ? Yes, it's Windows - and therefore needs to be updated > - Do I need to run it's own antivirus and firewall apps ... separate > from the MACOSX ones ? Yes, it's Windows - and is, therefore, as susceptible as always to viruses, spyware, etc. > - Do both systems stay running at the same time ? If you want them to, yes. > - Can I toggle between them ? Yes > - Do I therefore need >2 or even 3Gb RAM to make it all work reliably ? Ideally yes. I'd say 2MB *minimum* > - Will I stay on the network ? or will MacOSX stay on it and Windows not? > - Is it reliable enough to run a business Accounts application ? Should be. As for me, I spent a few hundred quid on a basic PC to run the Windows stuff I need. It seemed a preferable approach to 'polluting' my Macs with Windows but others here are more than happy with Parallels. > Sorry for being so ignorant of how this works.. No problem... >> - Will I stay on the network ? or will MacOSX stay on it and Windows not? Missed one! The Mac *will* stay on the network. You can set Windows up to either a) Be on the network directly b) Talk to the network by routing through the mac, as if on a private network c) Only be able to see the Mac, as if on a private network with no routing d) Not be on any network and you can choose which network interface (ethernet, wifi, whatever) that Windows will use, too. Cheers - Jaimie Signature"And I hope my Sam's behaved hisself and given satisfaction?" "Perfect satisfaction, Mr. Gamgee," said Frodo. > > Sorry for being so ignorant of how this works.. > > No problem... Thanks for all those answers ! SignatureHoward > - Do I need to buy a full version of Windows, e.g WindowsXP ? Yes. You can run XP or Vista or both if you feel like it. I bought mine from here: http://tinyurl.com/496t6z given my work, and the act that XP Home is rubbish I bought the Pro version, YMMV. > - Will it take up humungous amounts of space as it does on a PC ? Yes. It will be exactly like Windows on a PC because it is effectively Windows on a PC. > - Will it go through the updates process as it does on a PC ? Yes. As above, it's Windows. > - Do I need to run it's own antivirus and firewall apps ... separate > from the MACOSX ones ? It needs its own antivirus and if you intend to connect to the internet it's own firewall though if you used "Shared Networking" it will benefit from the Mac's firewall. Grisoft AVG and Zone Alarm are available free and do a decent job. Remember your Mac can't catch a Windows virus, but it can pass it on to Windows if you're not careful. > - Do both systems stay running at the same time ? Yes. > - Can I toggle between them ? Yes. Even better, you don't need to "toggle" between them. If you select View -> Coherence from the Parallels menu the Windows desktop will disappear and you will have the MacOS desktop with a Windows "Start" menu at the bottom as well as the Dock. Move the Dock to either the left or right edge of the screen and everything will co-exist quite happily. When you run Windows applications they will look as if they are part of OSX, except the window borders will look like Windows (default blue border). You can then copy, cut and paste between Windows and Mac applications and drag and drop also works between the two OSen. If you can't stand/tolerate working that way you can set it up so that each OS runs fullscreen and you switch between the two (the computer looks as if it is all Windows or all Mac) or you can run Windows inside a MacOS window so you have a miniature Windows desktop floating over the Mac applications. Your choice. > - Do I therefore need >2 or even 3Gb RAM to make it all work reliably ? If you want to run MacOS apps and Windows apps at the same time, I'd reckon 2Gb is a minimum, allocate 1Gb to Windows when you set up Parallels. 3Gb would be better. > - Will I stay on the network ? or will MacOSX stay on it and Windows not > ? Noth MacOS and Windows can access "the network" at the same time provided you don't allocated the netwrok interface to Windows alone. Use "Shared Networking" and both will access your home/office network and the internet beyond it via your router without you being aware of any differences between the two. > - Is it reliable enough to run a business Accounts application ? Oh yes, and TBH it's actually nicer to use than running Windows on a PC. > If you can't stand/tolerate working that way you can set it up so that > each OS runs fullscreen and you switch between the two (the computer > looks as if it is all Windows or all Mac) or you can run Windows inside > a MacOS window so you have a miniature Windows desktop floating over the > Mac applications. Your choice. This is an area where Spaces starts to become quite useful. I have my Windows VM running fullscreen on Space 2 (I have mine arranged as a single column of four). I've also set up speakable items, so I can now just _say_ "space two" and it flips to it. "Space one" flips me back. Jim Signature"Well, well. We've come a long way from the Prime Minister's exploding cake." - Adam West, Batman. http://www.UrsaMinorBeta.co.uk http://twitter.com/GreyAreaUK > > If you can't stand/tolerate working that way you can set it up so that > > each OS runs fullscreen and you switch between the two (the computer [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I've also set up speakable items, so I can now just _say_ "space two" > and it flips to it. "Space one" flips me back. "The logical conclusion is that there is a malignant intelligence form here in Space Two, Jim.." "Space One! Warp factor 8" said Jim. "Nay, Cap'n, the engine cannae take it..." Signatureflavio matani guitar tuition homepage.mac.com/flavio_matani/guitar/ www.livejournal.com/users/flavius_m/ >>> If you can't stand/tolerate working that way you can set it up so that >>> each OS runs fullscreen and you switch between the two (the computer [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > "Nay, Cap'n, the engine cannae take it..." I got confused by the mention of Windows, and thought Jim was talking about unspeakable items. Cheers, Chris >> - Do I therefore need >2 or even 3Gb RAM to make it all work reliably ? > > If you want to run MacOS apps and Windows apps at the same time, I'd > reckon 2Gb is a minimum, allocate 1Gb to Windows when you set up > Parallels. 3Gb would be better. I'd start with 512MB for the Windows install and only up it if you need to. Throwing more memory at VMs can actually make them run slower. Ian SignatureIan Robinson, Belfast, UK <http://www.canicula.com/wp/> > >> - Do I therefore need >2 or even 3Gb RAM to make it all work reliably ? > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I'd start with 512MB for the Windows install and only up it if you need to. > Throwing more memory at VMs can actually make them run slower. For an accounting package that probably would be enough. Signatureflavio matani guitar tuition homepage.mac.com/flavio_matani/guitar/ www.livejournal.com/users/flavius_m/ >> >> - Do I therefore need >2 or even 3Gb RAM to make it all work reliably ? >> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >For an accounting package that probably would be enough. In Windows, get your normal set of programs and docs running. Now open Task Manager and check in the Performance tab, looking at the Commit Total. Add a bit to that and use that as your memory allocation. A lot of folks will happily get away with 256meg. Cheers - Jaimie SignatureThere are no normal people--only people you don't know very much about. -- Nancy Lebovitz, rasfw > Oh yes, and TBH it's actually nicer to use than running Windows on a PC. All great answers... thanks heaps. All so much clearer now. SignatureHoward > Yes. You can run XP or Vista or both if you feel like it. I bought mine > from here: http://tinyurl.com/496t6z given my work, and the act that XP > Home is rubbish I bought the Pro version, YMMV. I'm surprised how XP is holding its value - the prices there are pretty similar to what the Home and Pro versions are selling for on eBay. And I mean selling, having checked only completed listings. Around £50 for Home, £60-80 for Pro. One copy of XP Pro sold yesterday for £111 inc Postage. Wtf? SignaturePd >> Yes. You can run XP or Vista or both if you feel like it. I bought mine >> from here: http://tinyurl.com/496t6z given my work, and the act that XP [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Around £50 for Home, £60-80 for Pro. One copy of XP Pro sold yesterday > for £111 inc Postage. Wtf? People _really_ don't like Vista. Jim Signaturehttp://www.ursaMinorBeta.co.uk http://twitter.com/GreyAreaUK "Don't you *dare* use the word 'party' as a verb in this shop!" -- Bernard Black, 'Black Books' > >> Yes. You can run XP or Vista or both if you feel like it. I bought mine > >> from here: http://tinyurl.com/496t6z given my work, and the act that XP [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > People _really_ don't like Vista. I've just had a call asking me to go work on a (huge) Vista project. That's going to take some thinking about. >> >> Yes. You can run XP or Vista or both if you feel like it. I bought mine >> >> from here: http://tinyurl.com/496t6z given my work, and the act that XP [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I've just had a call asking me to go work on a (huge) Vista project. > That's going to take some thinking about. Not really - 'No'. Jim Signaturehttp://www.ursaMinorBeta.co.uk http://twitter.com/GreyAreaUK "Don't you *dare* use the word 'party' as a verb in this shop!" -- Bernard Black, 'Black Books' > >> >> Yes. You can run XP or Vista or both if you feel like it. I bought mine > >> >> from here: http://tinyurl.com/496t6z given my work, and the act that XP [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Not really - 'No'. Yebbutt, they're offering $<HUGE> for this, about three times the rate I usually charge. It's a five year project and means that I should have a very confortable retirement. >>>>>> Yes. You can run XP or Vista or both if you feel like it. I bought mine >>>>>> from here: http://tinyurl.com/496t6z given my work, and the act that XP [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > usually charge. It's a five year project and means that I should have a > very confortable retirement. "For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?" -- Matthew 16:26 Paul > >>>>>> Yes. You can run XP or Vista or both if you feel like it. I bought mine > >>>>>> from here: http://tinyurl.com/496t6z given my work, and the act that XP [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?" -- > Matthew 16:26 Well in this case, I haven't been asked for a soul, just a few years of my life doing something that I would hate in return for enough money to not have to work again. >>>>>>>> Yes. You can run XP or Vista or both if you feel like it. I bought mine >>>>>>>> from here: http://tinyurl.com/496t6z given my work, and the act that XP [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > my life doing something that I would hate in return for enough money to > not have to work again. 5 years working with Vista is likely to be soul-destroying, I would have thought. Paul > 5 years working with Vista is likely to be soul-destroying, I > would have thought. And unlikely, unless the proposed client is a museum or another outfit keen on obselete/obsolescent tech (see "abandonware" and "M$ product cycles"). Five more years of life for Vista? LOL. SignatureAndrew Stephenson >> 5 years working with Vista is likely to be soul-destroying, I >> would have thought. > > And unlikely, unless the proposed client is a museum or another > outfit keen on obselete/obsolescent tech (see "abandonware" and > "M$ product cycles"). Five more years of life for Vista? LOL. I dunno. Windows 7 is supposedly out in 2009, which probably means the first _betas_ will be out then. The actual release will be somewhere in 2010 I'd guess, and even so they're going to have to support Vista for a few years. Remember, there are still places using Windows 95. Jim Signaturehttp://www.ursaMinorBeta.co.uk http://twitter.com/GreyAreaUK "Don't you *dare* use the word 'party' as a verb in this shop!" -- Bernard Black, 'Black Books' Jim <jim@magrathea.plus.com>: >>> 5 years working with Vista is likely to be soul-destroying, I >>> would have thought. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Remember, there are still places using Windows 95. One of my cow-orkers just today told me that he found `the new version of Windows very unintuitive and confusing -- couldn't work out what the hell to do with it'. I said something to the effect of, `Ah, you've finally had the misfortune of using Vista, have you?', to which he stared at me blankly, pointed at my screen and said, `The one you're using. Is that what it's called?' I started to explain that this was XP which was released in 2001 and thus hardly `new', but he'd already walked off to have a cup of tea. I'm not sure what vintage of Windows he uses, since whenever I see his computer it only ever seems to be running DOS Editor in full-screen mode. b. Signature<bas@bas.me.uk> <URL:http://bas.me.uk/> `Jesus said we should turn the other cheek. Unfortunately, Figo is not Jesus Christ.' -- Luiz Felipe Scolari > >> 5 years working with Vista is likely to be soul-destroying, I > >> would have thought. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > _betas_ will be out then. The actual release will be somewhere in 2010 I'd > guess, and even so they're going to have to support Vista for a few years. I don't remember half the opprobrium being ascribed to 95 (though there were minifusses) as to Vista. If Vista is hated as much as people say, it cannot last so long, shirley. As to M$ supporting products after they've lost their glamour: okay, if folks say so. I recall M$ heartlessly deserting their superannuated pets by the roadside in the wilderness, without a second thought, back when I still naively relied on them. (OTOH, IBM may be dull and crusty; but they _do_ care for their old products, no question.) > Remember, there are still places using Windows 95. I believe you. Does that prove M$'s continuing loving care? ;-) SignatureAndrew Stephenson > > >> 5 years working with Vista is likely to be soul-destroying, I > > >> would have thought. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > there were minifusses) as to Vista. If Vista is hated as much as > people say, it cannot last so long, shirley. People have short memories. XP was hated just as much, possibly more. People don't like change, especially when the change doesn't appear to give them much. I am not unhappy with vista on a PC. It does the job. I personally would prefer a mac to do it, but if I had to support a number of computers over a number of years, the choice would be trickier. > As to M$ supporting > products after they've lost their glamour: okay, if folks say so. That is about the one thing they do. > I recall M$ heartlessly deserting their superannuated pets by the > roadside in the wilderness, without a second thought, back when I > still naively relied on them. (OTOH, IBM may be dull and crusty; > but they _do_ care for their old products, no question.) Certainly if you are prepared to pay for it, for the same effect MS will do the same. > > Remember, there are still places using Windows 95. > > I believe you. Does that prove M$'s continuing loving care? ;-) You could run the first version of .net on NT4. That came out the same time as what, OS8? Microsofts support of old operating systems is something apple would need to copy to make more headway into larger businesses, but it is probably something they wouldn't do. After all, microsofts biggest competition is itself. SignatureWoody www.alienrat.com > > 5 years working with Vista is likely to be soul-destroying, I > > would have thought. > > And unlikely, unless the proposed client is a museum or another > outfit keen on obselete/obsolescent tech (see "abandonware" and > "M$ product cycles"). Five more years of life for Vista? LOL. Easily. Windows XP made over 5 years. Where I work they are still trying to phase some NT machines out. SignatureWoody www.alienrat.com > > 5 years working with Vista is likely to be soul-destroying, I > > would have thought. > > And unlikely, unless the proposed client is a museum or another > outfit keen on obselete/obsolescent tech (see "abandonware" and > "M$ product cycles"). Five more years of life for Vista? LOL. Err, well, the place in question is still using NT and 2000. So I don't see why you're Lolling around. [evil work] > > Well in this case, I haven't been asked for a soul, just a few years of > > my life doing something that I would hate in return for enough money to > > not have to work again. > > 5 years working with Vista is likely to be soul-destroying, I would have > thought. I really enjoy my job. It doesn't pay much and I'll have to work until I have to retire, but I like what I do. I work with lovely people in a lovely setting. I can cycle here through a lovely park every day. I have a boss with a sense of humour; it's pay review time at the moment. Our offices are mainly open plan with a many-windowed conference room in the middle. I was first in for my one-to-one to be told how fab everything is and what my salary for next year will be. As we were finishing, I said "I'd sit here looking all sad just to wind people up, but no one's looking". "Tell you what," he said, "storm out and slam the door - that'll get 'em going!" So I did - it worked a treat. I've never seen so many shocked faces. I couldn't keep a straight face for long though and had to admit it was a joke. Anyway, just thought I'd share one of the reasons why I prefer a low-paying, enjoyable job to lots of money and an ulcer. SignatureSara The teeth are free at last! Fly free, young teethies! >> >> People _really_ don't like Vista. >> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > usually charge. It's a five year project and means that I should have a > very confortable retirement. But the memories, man - the memories you'll have! The waking at 3am screaming! Jim Signaturehttp://www.ursaMinorBeta.co.uk http://twitter.com/GreyAreaUK "Don't you *dare* use the word 'party' as a verb in this shop!" -- Bernard Black, 'Black Books' > >> >> People _really_ don't like Vista. > >> > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > But the memories, man - the memories you'll have! The waking at 3am > screaming! Well yes, but I wonder if it shows the scale of the "problem" with Vista that they are offering consultants silly money to work on the project? >> >> >> People _really_ don't like Vista. >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Well yes, but I wonder if it shows the scale of the "problem" with Vista > that they are offering consultants silly money to work on the project? Fair point. Question is though, is the price worth the cost? Jim Signaturehttp://www.ursaMinorBeta.co.uk http://twitter.com/GreyAreaUK "Don't you *dare* use the word 'party' as a verb in this shop!" -- Bernard Black, 'Black Books' >>> >> >> People _really_ don't like Vista. >>> >> > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Fair point. Question is though, is the price worth the cost? It all depends on the contract cancellation terms, I should say. I'd be very tempted myself, on a runup to retirement. Cheers - Jaimie (who wishes he was getting to retirement...) Signature"But people have always eaten people! What else is there to eat? If the Juju had meant us not to eat people He wouldn't have made us of meat!" -- Flanders & Swann >>> >> People _really_ don't like Vista. >>> > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > But the memories, man - the memories you'll have! The waking at 3am > screaming! When I read that, my mind inserted an "n" in the tenth word. -z- Signature"Mostly water, and some trace elements." >>>> >> People _really_ don't like Vista. >>>> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > When I read that, my mind inserted an "n" in the tenth word. Oh, you. Jim Signaturehttp://www.ursaMinorBeta.co.uk http://twitter.com/GreyAreaUK "Sometimes when I talk to a Windows person about using a Mac, I feel like I'm explaining Van Halen to a horse." Merlin Mann >>>>> >> People _really_ don't like Vista. >>>>> > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Oh, you. Infantile, isn't it? But in context, the image is a bit disturbing - I mean, Vista is many things, but it doesn't really seem the sort of thing to induce shrieking mastubatory sessions. -zoara- SignatureSoftware Failure. Press left mouse button to continue. Guru Meditation #00000004.0000C0CA >>>>> Yebbutt, they're offering $<HUGE> for this, about three times the rate I >>>>> usually charge. It's a five year project and means that I should have a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > mean, Vista is many things, but it doesn't really seem the sort of thing > to induce shrieking mastubatory sessions. er...er...isn't it sunny today? Jim Signaturehttp://www.ursaMinorBeta.co.uk http://twitter.com/GreyAreaUK "Sometimes when I talk to a Windows person about using a Mac, I feel like I'm explaining Van Halen to a horse." Merlin Mann >>>> > I've just had a call asking me to go work on a (huge) Vista project. >>>> > That's going to take some thinking about. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >When I read that, my mind inserted an "n" in the tenth word. Me too - but only on this quote of it, not the original. Hmmmm. Cheers - Jaimie SignatureRemember, "persistence" is just a euphemism for "serial failure" -- Tim Dawson > When I read that, my mind inserted an "n" in the tenth word. "wakingn"? > > When I read that, my mind inserted an "n" in the tenth word. > > "wakingn"? Your insert is broken, it's set to append... T. > > Yes. You can run XP or Vista or both if you feel like it. I bought mine > > from here: http://tinyurl.com/496t6z given my work, and the act that XP [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Around £50 for Home, £60-80 for Pro. One copy of XP Pro sold yesterday > for £111 inc Postage. Wtf? And can't you get OEM versions for less than that? SignatureTimH pull tooth to reply by email > > > Yes. You can run XP or Vista or both if you feel like it. I bought mine > > > from here: http://tinyurl.com/496t6z given my work, and the act that XP [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > And can't you get OEM versions for less than that? Well you can, but they tend to be rip-off copies rather than MS versions. > > > > Yes. You can run XP or Vista or both if you feel like it. I bought mine > > > > from here: http://tinyurl.com/496t6z given my work, and the act that XP [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Well you can, but they tend to be rip-off copies rather than MS > versions. Well, the Novatech link you posted has OEM versions cheaper than that. SignaturePd >>>>> Yes. You can run XP or Vista or both if you feel like it. I bought mine >>>>> from here: http://tinyurl.com/496t6z given my work, and the act that XP [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Well, the Novatech link you posted has OEM versions cheaper than that. Which is why I don't buy very much on ebay. There are too many people about willing to pay silly money for stuff, just to win an auction. > > > > > Yes. You can run XP or Vista or both if you feel like it. I bought > > > > > mine from here: http://tinyurl.com/496t6z given my work, and the [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Well, the Novatech link you posted has OEM versions cheaper than that. The link I posted has Pro at £95.17, 95.17 is not cheaper than £60. HTH. > > > > One copy of XP Pro sold > > > > > yesterday for £111 inc Postage. Wtf? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > The link I posted has Pro at £95.17, 95.17 is not cheaper than £60. HTH. I think Tim was referring to the £111, which is in fact quite a bit more than £95.17. I do hope that helps, ya sarcastic (and wrong) bugger. SignaturePd > > > > > One copy of XP Pro sold > > > > > > yesterday for £111 inc Postage. Wtf? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I think Tim was referring to the £111, which is in fact quite a bit more > than £95.17. Maybe, but the text he quoted had a range of prices from £60 to £111. > I do hope that helps, ya sarcastic (and wrong) bugger. Hmm I don't see anything wrong in what I posted. I did see a mistake in Tim's response, a lack of specificity to indcate what he was moaning about. On Mon, 12 May 2008 13:43:40 +0100, Tim Hodgson wrote >> I'm surprised how XP is holding its value - the prices there are pretty >> similar to what the Home and Pro versions are selling for on eBay. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And can't you get OEM versions for less than that? Last week I ordered a new Dell desktop which had XP Pro as a £50 option over Vista > - Do I need to buy a full version of Windows, e.g WindowsXP ? yes (unless you want to run e. g. linux instead) > - Will it take up humungous amounts of space as it does on a PC ? you can search for a minimal windows installation. You'll get what you'll allocate, if I dare say. For me, I run a couple of complicated business apps like my company's Lotus Notes on a 6Gb "disk", and as I use multiple snapshots (in order to get back instantly if things go wrong) I'd say my complete footprint is 8.5 Gb (for two years of use in a row) > - Will it go through the updates process as it does on a PC ? you can refuse this. I refuse systematically. > - Do I need to run it's own antivirus and firewall apps ... separate > from the MACOSX ones ? only if you connect it to internet and use "sensitive" apps. If like me you deal with mail and urls through the mac, the connection needs on the PC are quite seldom (or the it's the usual lotus notes connection). In such a case I considered I don't need an ambitious antivirus. In the end I installed the free Avast, but I still wonder whether it's really needed (compared to the time wasted to allow Avast updating itself), all the more than in case of catastrophy you always can revert to the last snapshot. Snapshots mustn't become an obsession (after all the PC doesn't crash daily) but having one from time to time is cool: before running this obviously silly greeting card, do a snapshot... > - Do both systems stay running at the same time ? yes. No trouble. Additionally you can pause the PC > - Can I toggle between them ? any way you want (full screen to full screen, or with Parallels way of "immersing" the PC windows on the mac desktop just by switching win/mac windows, or allocating a separate "spaces" screen to the PC... > - Do I therefore need >2 or even 3Gb RAM to make it all work reliably ? 2G is a minimum. For me it indeed is OK. > - Will I stay on the network ? or will MacOSX stay on it and Windows not > ? the way you want, plus you can connect/disconnect the PC just by clicking on a small button at the bottom of the window, and there are lots of options such as sharing the same IP as the mac vs having a separate one, etc. > - Is it reliable enough to run a business Accounts application ? Not knowing the app I'd say yes. The only difficulties on hosted machines regards handling ambitious graphic cards for complicated real-time games. It seems, like me, you don't intend to shoot first and admire the überrealistic bloodshed: you won't get trouble ;-) SignatureFrédérique & Hervé Sainct, h.sainct@laposte.net [fr,es,en,it] Frédérique's initial is missing in front of the above address l'initiale de Frédérique manque devant l'adresse email ci-dessus Frédérique & Hervé Sainct <h.sainct@laposte.net.invalid> wrote: > > - Is it reliable enough to run a business Accounts application ? > > Not knowing the app I'd say yes. The only difficulties on hosted > machines regards handling ambitious graphic cards for complicated > real-time games. It seems, like me, you don't intend to shoot first and > admire the überrealistic bloodshed: you won't get trouble ;-) tks for that. I only want to run Explorer to access online banking and an accounting package such as SAGE. SignatureHoward On Sun, 11 May 2008 14:50:27 +0100, Howard wrote > Frédérique & Hervé Sainct <h.sainct@laposte.net.invalid> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > tks for that. I only want to run Explorer to access online banking and > an accounting package such as SAGE. IE used to be available on Mac - might be worth digging out an old copy? Alternatively, have you tried spoofing Safari so it pretends to be IE to the site in question? > On Sun, 11 May 2008 14:50:27 +0100, Howard wrote >> Frédérique & Hervé Sainct <h.sainct@laposte.net.invalid> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > IE used to be available on Mac - might be worth digging out an old copy? Surely, from a security perspective that's not a good idea. IE 5.2.3 is *very* old. > Alternatively, have you tried spoofing Safari so it pretends to be IE to the > site in question? Yes, I think all (UK) banking sites work with non-IE browsers. You may need to pretend you're using IE, but it'll still work when using Firefox (for example). However, some business accounts have special functionality which requires ActiveX controls and hence are IE-only :( |
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