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Martin S Taylor - 09 May 2008 11:08 GMT
Questions about Bittorrent clients:

1. If I download (or partially download) a file using Azureus or
Transmission, is it possible, once a file is downloaded, to seed (leech) it
on another client?

2. I don't really want to keep the client running all the time, but it would
be nice to have it running just during the night. What's the consensus on the
best utility to launch a program at midnight, and quit it at 6am?

Hope this makes sense and I've got the terminology right. I'm a bit new to
this.

Martin S Taylor
Jaimie Vandenbergh - 09 May 2008 11:16 GMT
>Questions about Bittorrent clients:
>
>1. If I download (or partially download) a file using Azureus or
>Transmission, is it possible, once a file is downloaded, to seed (leech) it
>on another client?

It Depends.

If your destination client understands the idea of "scanning what's on
the disk to see if there are any good blocks in it", then it'll
probably be fine. You'll have to make sure that the file(s) are in the
place that the destination client expects. It's well worth keeping a
spare copy of the partially-downloaded file(s) since getting it wrong
is likely to be destructive.

>2. I don't really want to keep the client running all the time, but it would
>be nice to have it running just during the night. What's the consensus on the
>best utility to launch a program at midnight, and quit it at 6am?

You could also pick a client that has a scheduler built in. Azureus
has AZcron (go Plugins, Installation Wizard, use Sourceforge).
Transmission has a "schedule speed limit" built in - nearly the same
thing.

    Cheers - Jaimie
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Rowland McDonnell - 09 May 2008 11:37 GMT
> Martin S Taylor
[snip]

> >2. I don't really want to keep the client running all the time, but it would
> >be nice to have it running just during the night. What's the consensus on the
> >best utility to launch a program at midnight, and quit it at 6am?
>
> You could also pick a client that has a scheduler built in. Azureus

Have you read its licence agreement?  It contains a clause permitting
the rights holder to vary the agreement to be varied at the whim of
`whoever's runing the Vuze platform',

E.g.:

"When using the Vuze Platform, You will be subject to any additional
posted policies, guidelines or rules applicable to specific services and
features which may be posted from time to time (the "Policies"). All
such Policies are hereby incorporated by reference into these Terms."

Or even:

"4. Modification of these Terms; Modification of Fees.

Azureus reserves the right, at our discretion, to change, modify, add,
or remove portions of these Terms at any time by posting the amended
Terms to the Vuze Platform. Please check these Terms and any Policies
periodically for changes. Your continued use of the Vuze Platform after
the posting of changes constitutes Your binding acceptance of such
changes. Except as stated elsewhere, such amended Terms or fees will
automatically be effective thirty (30) days after they are initially
posted on the Vuze Platform. Additionally, Azureus will notify You
through the Vuze Platform's messaging system.

Certain functions on the Vuze Platform have fees associated with them.
When You upload content or use a service that has a fee You have an
opportunity to review and accept the fees that You will be charged based
on our stated fees, which we may change from time to time. Azureus may
choose to temporarily change the fees for Azureus' services for
promotional events or new services, and such changes are immediately
effective when Azureus posts the temporary promotional event or new
service on the Vuze Platform. Any changes to fees for Azureus' services
that are not temporary or promotional will be effective thirty (30) days
after we provide You with notice by posting such changes on the Vuze
Platform. Unless otherwise stated, all fees are quoted in U.S. Dollars."

I.e., they can decided to charge you for anything they like, and you've
agreed to pay for it in advance without knowing a thing about it.

I'm not stupid enough to sign up to anything like that.

Also: you agree to various terms and conditions that aren't even in the
agreement you hit `yes' to sign up to:

"2. Incorporation by Reference.

Your privacy is important to Azureus. Azureus's Privacy Policy is hereby
incorporated into these Terms by reference. Please read this policy
carefully for information relating to Azureus's collection, use, and
disclosure of Your personal information.

Users who purchase any content or service on the Vuze Platform are bound
by the Vuze Terms of Purchase. The Vuze Terms of Purchase is hereby
incorporated into these Terms by reference.

Users who distribute content through the Vuze Platform for a fee or
through ad-supported distribution to other Users are also bound by the
Vuze Terms of Sale. The Vuze Terms of Sale is hereby incorporated into
these Terms by reference.
 
In the case of any inconsistency between these Terms of Service and any
other document that has been incorporated by reference herein, these
Terms of Service shall control."

Yeah, right...

Avoid Azureus.  Seriously.  There's a very very /very/ dodgy bunch in
charge.

[snip]

Rowland.

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Jim - 09 May 2008 11:19 GMT
> Questions about Bittorrent clients:
>
> 1. If I download (or partially download) a file using Azureus or
> Transmission, is it possible, once a file is downloaded, to seed (leech) it
> on another client?

If you keep the original .torrent file, yes. Usually.

> 2. I don't really want to keep the client running all the time, but it would
> be nice to have it running just during the night. What's the consensus on the
> best utility to launch a program at midnight, and quit it at 6am?

Both of those programs have support for defining schedules. So although
they'd be running all the time, they wouldn't be _seeding_ (or downloading)
all the time. I think Azureus needs a 3rd party free plugin called 'Speed
Scheduler' if memory serves. It allows pretty fine control over how much
bandwidth is used (both up and down) on a dialy and hourly basis.
Transmission simply has a 'between these hours use this bandwidth'-style.

Jim
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zoara - 09 May 2008 21:40 GMT
> Questions about Bittorrent clients:
>
> 1. If I download (or partially download) a file using Azureus or
> Transmission, is it possible, once a file is downloaded, to seed (leech) it
> on another client?

You can certainly give Transmission an already-downloaded file and seed
it, assuming you have the the .torrent file. It also definitely worked
for me with a partial file, but that may have been just luck.

To 'leech' is to download without uploading anything, by the way -
effectively the opposite of seeding.

> 2. I don't really want to keep the client running all the time, but it would
> be nice to have it running just during the night. What's the consensus on the
> best utility to launch a program at midnight, and quit it at 6am?

Transmission has schedules, but I also like to quit and restart it
automatically. I just use cron, Leopard's built-in scheduler[1] -
download cronnix and you can do it with a gui. I've got a handful of
apps I want to start after midnight and quit before 8am so get cronnix
to launch a pair of applescripts (compiled as an app, so I can
/usr/bin/open it) that starts / quits them, using eg

       activate application "Transmission"

and

       quit application "Transmission"

That seems to work fine for me.

       -zoara-

[1] Not strictly true but good enough. Cron is acually emulated these
days by some daemon I can't remember the name of.

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Martin S Taylor - 11 May 2008 13:24 GMT
> Martin S Taylor <hogwash@hRyEpMnOoVtEiTsHm.cIo.uSk> wrote:
>
> To 'leech' is to download without uploading anything, by the way -
> effectively the opposite of seeding.

Some people seem to use the work 'leech' to mean download, even while
uploading, I think. If you're uploading, you're either seeding (if you have
the whole file) or leeching (if you only have part of it). Though I agree,
this seems an odd use of a word with negative connotations.

> Transmission has schedules, but I also like to quit and restart it
> automatically. I just use cron, Leopard's built-in scheduler[1] -
> download cronnix and you can do it with a gui.

Brilliant - just what I was looking for. Many thanks.

MST
Stimpy - 11 May 2008 13:38 GMT
On Sun, 11 May 2008 13:24:14 +0100, Martin S Taylor wrote

>> To 'leech' is to download without uploading anything, by the way -
>> effectively the opposite of seeding.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> the whole file) or leeching (if you only have part of it). Though I agree,
> this seems an odd use of a word with negative connotations.

Hmmm... I always think of leeching as the act of downloading a torrent then,
as soon as it's downloaded, stopping the torrent.

The enforcement of ratios helps this problem a little - something Demonoid do
very well.  Sadly, The Pirate Bay choose not to implement a user-ratio based
system and, consequently, many of it's torrents suffer from leeching and a
consequent early death.
 
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