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Mac Forum / Country Specific / UK Mac Group / May 2008OpenOffice 3.0 Beta
Anyone tried the mac-native 3.0 beta of OpenOffice yet? Any feedback? I must admit I am finding Office 2008 to be complete bollocks so tempted to see if OpenOffice provide better office compatability than, Office.... -- Cheers, Steve > Anyone tried the mac-native 3.0 beta of OpenOffice yet? Any feedback? > > I must admit I am finding Office 2008 to be complete bollocks so > tempted to see if OpenOffice provide better office compatability than, > Office.... To answer my own question. It's nice not having to run X11 but it's not what you'd ever call a pretty app. Easy to uninstall too which is a bonus.  SignatureCheers, Steve The reply-to email address is a spam trap. Email steve 'at' shodgson 'dot' org 'dot' uk >> Anyone tried the mac-native 3.0 beta of OpenOffice yet? Any feedback? >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Easy to uninstall too which is a bonus. Does it live happily along side NeoOffice? I'd like to test it, but I don't want it to conflict with my current setup. > Does it live happily along side NeoOffice? I'd like to test it, but I > don't want it to conflict with my current setup. the february beta did. The only thing is, you have to decide who exactly is to open your .doc, .ppt etc. by default (knowing that you can always select the other one e. g. via the local menu 'open with...') SignatureFrédérique & Hervé Sainct, h.sainct@laposte.net [fr,es,en,it] Frédérique's initial is missing in front of the above address l'initiale de Frédérique manque devant l'adresse email ci-dessus Frédérique & Hervé Sainct wrote: >> Does it live happily along side NeoOffice? I'd like to test it, but I >> don't want it to conflict with my current setup. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > .ppt etc. by default (knowing that you can always select the other one > e. g. via the local menu 'open with...') Thanks to you and Andy. Both NeoOffice and OOo seem to be working fine on their own. However, having both running at the same time makes for some interesting conflicts in OOo's menus. Chris > >> Anyone tried the mac-native 3.0 beta of OpenOffice yet? Any feedback? > >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Does it live happily along side NeoOffice? I'd like to test it, but I > don't want it to conflict with my current setup. I've just downloaded the latest versions of V2 and V3, and even those sit happily together. Don't forget that one will open in X11, the other in OSX. NeoOffice seems OK too. I've just loaded a document my sister sent me from Word 97, and that loaded into V3 perfectly. Already I can see me deleting all the older versions, and moving on to using OO V3b now. SignatureAndy Hewitt <http://web.mac.com/andrewhewitt1/> > > Anyone tried the mac-native 3.0 beta of OpenOffice yet? Any feedback? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > The reply-to email address is a spam trap. > Email steve 'at' shodgson 'dot' org 'dot' uk It's a big improvement over the utterly vile X11 version, but you're right. It still doesn't really look like a native Aqua application and it still has quite a way to go when you put it side by side with NeoOffice. Still, it is a beta and the first official Mac native release so it's probably not fair to judge at this point. The important thing is whether or not it's stable enough and feature- complete enough for practical use. >>> Anyone tried the mac-native 3.0 beta of OpenOffice yet? Any feedback? >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > important thing is whether or not it's stable enough and feature- > complete enough for practical use. Rather impressively it was rather more responsive at handling a 600 page Word document than Word 2008. SignatureCheers, Steve The reply-to email address is a spam trap. Email steve 'at' shodgson 'dot' org 'dot' uk > Rather impressively it was rather more responsive at handling a 600 > page Word document than Word 2008. A 600 page Word document? Is Word really the tool for something of that size? Sound like you're more into Framemaker territory. Cheers, Ian >> Rather impressively it was rather more responsive at handling a 600 >> page Word document than Word 2008. > >A 600 page Word document? Is Word really the tool for something of that >size? Sound like you're more into Framemaker territory. Or Textedit, or vi, or pretty much any other editor in the known universe. Cheers - Jaimie SignatureIEFGOD70248E Illegal cross-universe communication attempt. IEFGOD99475T Universe terminated. IEFGOD99883I Invalid restart definition, universe contents lost. -- Marten Kemp, rasfw >> Rather impressively it was rather more responsive at handling a 600 >> page Word document than Word 2008. > > A 600 page Word document? Is Word really the tool for something of that > size? Sound like you're more into Framemaker territory. Totally agree especially for something heavy with cross-references, styles and graphics. It did get quite flaky at times especially opening and saving over a poor corporate network. If I were to do this sort of thing now and used Mac instead of Windows I would probably favour Mellel. SignatureCheers, Steve The reply-to email address is a spam trap. Email steve 'at' shodgson 'dot' org 'dot' uk > Anyone tried the mac-native 3.0 beta of OpenOffice yet? Any feedback? that's funny: just some months ago, in february, I tried the beta 2.4 (which too was the "first not X11 version", but in beta); they had so many intermediates since then? (or is it yet another thing, like NeoOffice??) Mine was named "openoffice.org" and has icon and startup logos with two birds... SignatureFrédérique & Hervé Sainct, h.sainct@laposte.net [fr,es,en,it] Frédérique's initial is missing in front of the above address l'initiale de Frédérique manque devant l'adresse email ci-dessus > Anyone tried the mac-native 3.0 beta of OpenOffice yet? Any feedback? Using it at the moment, alongside Excel, just to see whether I can switch over fulltime. Apart from very strange font handling where 9 point Helvetica is the same size as 12 point in Excel, I think it's incredible what they've done. Interesting how now that there really is a viable alternative to MS Office, there are all sorts of "deals" where you can buy Office for £40 or so. SignaturePd > > Anyone tried the mac-native 3.0 beta of OpenOffice yet? Any feedback? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Office, there are all sorts of "deals" where you can buy Office for £40 > or so. Interesting point. I am testing NeoOffice at the moment. It will need a bit of training. But that is partly because i have been using Word for so many years. I can't see how to get it to autoocret i to I. I just wish it displayed a word count in the bottom of the window frame like Word does. TBH that is really important to me. Maybe I'll request the feature, unless you can turn it on? I realise my typing got worse because of having so much autocorrect in Word - this is due to the type of work I was doing, where every second counted. Signaturebellajonez at yahoo dot co dot uk > I realise my typing got worse because of having so much autocorrect in > Word - this is due to the type of work I was doing, where every second > counted. It's one of the things I really like about MacSoup - no spulling chuckeer. I'm a bit like Adrian and his sound editing software - I want to know that what I type is what appears on the page. As long as writing is done by hand, or by fingers, then I prefer to have total control over what gets entered. If writing ever becomes fully viable with voice transcription, then maybe my preference for accurate typing/spelling can be retired. I only have a very few numbers in my mobile phone, because if I don't type them in myself, I forget them, and people's telephone numbers will continue to be useful things to carry in my head until all phones can access my online phone book. I also don't own a Segway, because I think walking, running and cycling are good things to do with my body. SignaturePd > > I realise my typing got worse because of having so much autocorrect in > > Word - this is due to the type of work I was doing, where every second > > counted. > > It's one of the things I really like about MacSoup - no spulling > chuckeer. On of the things I hate about macsoup that keeps me looking for something better. > I'm a bit like Adrian and his sound editing software - I want > to know that what I type is what appears on the page. Well, me too. I don't want the software changing what I do, but I don't want to edit the bits of the sound wave either. I want something that assists me to do what I want. > As long as writing > is done by hand, or by fingers, then I prefer to have total control over > what gets entered. I do too. I don't like software changing what I do, but it is nice when it points out that it knows something is wrong. Why should I look it up? That is the point of software to stop you having to do it yourself. > I only have a very few numbers in my mobile phone, because if I don't > type them in myself, I forget them, and people's telephone numbers will > continue to be useful things to carry in my head until all phones can > access my online phone book. I have quite a few numbers, as there are a lot of numbers I really don't need to use often. > I also don't own a Segway, because I think walking, running and cycling > are good things to do with my body. How about any other form of transport? In fact, why have a phone when you can just go round to the people you want to phone? Or write them a letter? SignatureWoody www.alienrat.com > > I also don't own a Segway, because I think walking, running and cycling > > are good things to do with my body. > > How about any other form of transport? I have my feet for short journeys, my bike for medium journeys, a tagalong for medium journeys with one child, and a car for longer journeys, journeys with more than one child, and journeys with large amounts of heavy stuff to carry. I don't have many phone numbers because I don't have any friends. SignaturePd > > > I also don't own a Segway, because I think walking, running and cycling > > > are good things to do with my body. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I don't have many phone numbers because I don't have any friends. I don't either, that is why I dont' need to remember their phone numbers! SignatureWoody www.alienrat.com > > I realise my typing got worse because of having so much autocorrect in > > Word - this is due to the type of work I was doing, where every second [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > transcription, then maybe my preference for accurate typing/spelling can > be retired. oddly enought i tend to agree mainly because by the time i go back and try to work out whats wrong with the word, i have lost the thread of what i was typing in the first place. > I only have a very few numbers in my mobile phone, because if I don't > type them in myself, I forget them, and people's telephone numbers will > continue to be useful things to carry in my head until all phones can > access my online phone book. i sync the phone to the mac, it is my wish to have to less to do with phones UI as possible. > I also don't own a Segway, because I think walking, running and cycling > are good things to do with my body. the segway is funny thing, it is a bit of solution to a non existing problem. partically in the uk where they don't seem to be legal road or pavment and to be honest i can see why. if they do get up to speed how quickly do they stop? not to mention what happens if at 12mph you hit a lump or bump, from a personal point of view if i do walk/bike then i may well be going though bushy park who's gates have kerbs and the segway doesn't do kerbs... roger Signaturewww.rogermerriman.com Roger Merriman <NEWS@wodger.demon.co.uk>: [...] >> I also don't own a Segway, because I think walking, running and cycling >> are good things to do with my body. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > well be going though bushy park who's gates have kerbs and the segway > doesn't do kerbs... When I was in Rome a couple of weeks ago, at Termini, I saw some policemen on customised Segways. How we laughed. b. Signature<bas@bas.me.uk> <URL:http://bas.me.uk/> You will have a flawless analytical and articulate eye for detail with a solid interest in IT. > When I was in Rome a couple of weeks ago, at Termini, I saw some > policemen on customised Segways. How we laughed. And in Chicago, the cops appear to use lots of them. I was torn between the thought that they were ridiculous overkill, and the alternative thought that they might well be a good idea. In general, the negative thought won. SignaturePeter > Roger Merriman <NEWS@wodger.demon.co.uk>: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > b. heh, and rome cops do at least try to look rather serious. roger Signaturewww.rogermerriman.com Roger Merriman <NEWS@wodger.demon.co.uk>: [...] >> When I was in Rome a couple of weeks ago, at Termini, I saw some >> policemen on customised Segways. How we laughed. > > heh, and rome cops do at least try to look rather serious. I quite agree! It turns out the silly Segways are actually only used by the railroad police in Italy, and were introduced in 2006 apparently: <URL:http://www.poliziadistato.it/pds/news/index.php?aa=2006&mm=01&id=841> They seemed to be having a great time having their pictures taken with kids when I saw them... b. Signature<bas@bas.me.uk> <URL:http://bas.me.uk/> `Imagine the world's leaders on pills. And imagine the morning after.' -- Mike Skinner > > I realise my typing got worse because of having so much autocorrect in > > Word - this is due to the type of work I was doing, where every second [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > continue to be useful things to carry in my head until all phones can > access my online phone book. You're right. When I didn't have a mobile phone, many years ago, I knew all my friends' numbers, both mobile and landline. Now I don't know any, even people I call a lot. For safety, it would be good to know a couple, if I got stuck somewhere and my phone was gone. Signaturebellajonez at yahoo dot co dot uk > Anyone tried the mac-native 3.0 beta of OpenOffice yet? Any feedback? quick, comparison-only measurements of startup times (on a really busy MBP, 10 other apps running, and a wifi TM backup ongoing): - OO 2.4 beta (the feb. one without X11 too): 1 mn to new doc.t - OO 3 beta: 35s to welcome panel, select new doc.t, 12s more - NeoOffice 2.2.3 patch2: 1.5 mn. (all of them first launch; generally second launch in a ro is way faster) SignatureFrédérique & Hervé Sainct, h.sainct@laposte.net [fr,es,en,it] Frédérique's initial is missing in front of the above address l'initiale de Frédérique manque devant l'adresse email ci-dessus |
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