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Mac Forum / Country Specific / UK Mac Group / May 2008Well this time it was my turn to do it... MacBook and coffee..
So it seems. I've tripped up and spilled coffee on the MacBook keyboard. At first the arrow keys got stuck or didn't respond. After a long shutdown and restart, the keyboard doesn't function at all. No light on the caps lock key (I know many of you hate it, but that's a bit beyond) or the numlock, no response from any key. Sys Profiler sees the keyboard, the trackpad works ok (thus far) but I can hear the trumpets of Doom of the four Angels calling... Ok, anything I could do before giving up and starting looking for those available Genius apointment slots?  Signatureflavio matani guitar tuition homepage.mac.com/flavio_matani/guitar/ www.livejournal.com/users/flavius_m/ > So it seems. I've tripped up and spilled coffee on the MacBook keyboard. > At first the arrow keys got stuck or didn't respond. After a long [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Ok, anything I could do before giving up and starting looking for those > available Genius apointment slots? With a MacBook I suspect it's going to be an expensive repair and a new keyboard. I did the same on a PC keyboard and even after flushing with distilled water the keyboard was never the same. If you even think of cleaning the keyboard take the battery out first. Pete H > > So it seems. I've tripped up and spilled coffee on the MacBook keyboard. > > At first the arrow keys got stuck or didn't respond. After a long [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > distilled water the keyboard was never the same. If you even think of > cleaning the keyboard take the battery out first. I was thinking along those lines. It was not recognising the keyboard at all when I last started it up. It hasn't got AppleCare so it is a case of house contents insurance and seeing whether that is covered. They get you any which way, you know that you'll pay it back in next year's premiums and the next but I do need the 'boko for the way I do my work so... that is one avenue I'll have to investigate. Signatureflavio matani guitar tuition homepage.mac.com/flavio_matani/guitar/ www.livejournal.com/users/flavius_m/ On 7 May, 00:13, flavio_mataniTAKETHISBIT...@mac.com (Flavio Matani) wrote: > > > So it seems. I've tripped up and spilled coffee on the MacBook keyboard. > > > At first the arrow keys got stuck or didn't respond. After a long [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Black coffee? Milk? Sugar? If it had sugar in it then the liquid will be slowly corroding what it touches. If it's penetrated onto the mobo then it's not looking good. Milk just smells. I'd take the battery out first off. If it were a PC laptop I'd remove the keyboard, rinse it in warm water and dry it in the airing cupboard for a few days, and mop up any excess under the keyboard as much as possible - if it's soaked under the keyboard it's likely to be A Bad Thing but a few drops aren't going to hurt. Anything that's had coffee on it needs a rinse or a wipedown and to be completely dry before reuse. I've never removed the top cover of a MB so I don't know how tricky this is - if MacFixit think it's a DIY job then try this first as you might get away with a repair that costs you nothing more than some elbow grease. You might be lucky and get away with a new keyboard. On the MB it's a whole new top case and I believe it's around £116 quid plus the VAT and fitting for it. Definitely look in to the house insurance. A mate did the same with a pint of beer and was covered, and ended up with a faster machine than his original... I like beer in pints, and I like drinking it of an evening whilst using my MBP. I live in fear of a similar error...! > Black coffee? Milk? Sugar? Black, knowing Flavio. Cheers, Chris > > Black coffee? Milk? Sugar? > > Black, knowing Flavio. > > Cheers, I feel there is an, hm, obscure joke lying in there somewhere... :P It did have sugar in it and the fault seems to be progressive. I've started it again and the keyboard does not work at all, caps lock and num lock lights don't function. It doesn't seem to sleep properly either, which is not a good sign at all (but then I don't sleep properly either...). Seems to work alright with an external keyboard, apart from the sleep thing. Apparently it is covered and the house contents insurance people are coming to take it away, ho-ho, heh-heh... (as I said, haven't slept properly...) Signatureflavio matani guitar tuition homepage.mac.com/flavio_matani/guitar/ www.livejournal.com/users/flavius_m/ In article <1igkpi3.7eu3rq10qv8axN%flavio_mataniTAKETHISBITOUT@mac.com>, [bad things] > Apparently it is covered and the house contents insurance people are > coming to take it away, ho-ho, heh-heh... As long as they're in their clean white coats. SignatureSara The teeth are free at last! Fly free, young teethies! > It doesn't seem to sleep properly either, which is not a good sign at all That would be the caffeine, har har har. -z- Signature"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge." - Charles Darwin >>> Black coffee? Milk? Sugar? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I feel there is an, hm, obscure joke lying in there somewhere... :P Only a sartorial one... > Apparently it is covered and the house contents insurance people are > coming to take it away, ho-ho, heh-heh... That sounds like good news :-) Cheers, Chris In article <26436e4c-d804-48df-97e4-731dc2713556@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, > Black coffee? Milk? Sugar? > If it had sugar in it then the liquid will be slowly corroding what it > touches. If it's penetrated onto the mobo then it's not looking > good. Milk just smells. Totally wrong! White sugar is pure sucrose - it's non-ionic, does not conduct electricity, and doesn't corrode either metals or plastics. It does, however encourage the growth of bacteria (although not as much as the milk does) and it's the by-products of this growth which cause the corrosion and subsequent damage. The answer to spilled drinks on electronic equipment is to dismantle as much as possible and wash with lots of water _immediately_. Preferably do the last wash with distilled water to get rid of any minerals in the tap water. Then dry thoroughly in a warm oven before reassembly. Phil Taylor > The answer to spilled drinks on electronic equipment is to dismantle as > much as possible and wash with lots of water _immediately_. Preferably > do the last wash with distilled water to get rid of any minerals in the > tap water. Then dry thoroughly in a warm oven before reassembly. But not a _Microwave_ oven. That's Just Wrong. Jim Signature'Cloverfield' in nine words: "What is it?!" "We're gonna die!" BOOM! Roll credits. Find me at http://www.ursaminorbeta.co.uk > > The answer to spilled drinks on electronic equipment is to dismantle as > > much as possible and wash with lots of water _immediately_. Preferably > > do the last wash with distilled water to get rid of any minerals in the > > tap water. Then dry thoroughly in a warm oven before reassembly. > > But not a _Microwave_ oven. That's Just Wrong. Ooh, fireworks! Pwetty!:P Signatureflavio matani guitar tuition homepage.mac.com/flavio_matani/guitar/ www.livejournal.com/users/flavius_m/ >> > The answer to spilled drinks on electronic equipment is to dismantle as >> > much as possible and wash with lots of water _immediately_. Preferably [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Ooh, fireworks! Pwetty!:P I was thinking of suggesting this, but I'm *far* too much of a responsible adult. Shuuuure I am.... J. > In article > <26436e4c-d804-48df-97e4-731dc2713...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Phil Taylor So what you're saying is spilling sugary liquid on electronics leads to corrosion? In article <b5ef7273-76b3-4542-b4e1-39f789ae9cc3@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, > > In article > > <26436e4c-d804-48df-97e4-731dc2713...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > So what you're saying is spilling sugary liquid on electronics leads > to corrosion? Only if you leave it long enough to grow bugs. If you clean it immediately it won't cause any more trouble than plain water. Phil Taylor > In article > <b5ef7273-76b3-4542-b4e1-39f789ae9...@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > - Show quoted text - So what you're saying is that ff it had sugar in it then the liquid will be slowly corroding what it touches? > So it seems. I've tripped up and spilled coffee on the MacBook keyboard. > At first the arrow keys got stuck or didn't respond. After a long [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Ok, anything I could do before giving up and starting looking for those > available Genius apointment slots? Oh well, you Mac geezers are made for it. If you had a Dell or Compaq you could get a keyboard for $80 and install it yourself. But you probably don't know which is the working end of a screwdriver. So just get an appointment and shell out. On Wed, 7 May 2008 01:26:24 +0100, Rowland McBollocks wrote > Oh well, you Mac geezers are made for it. If you had a Dell or Compaq you > could get a keyboard for $80 and install it yourself. But you probably > don't know which is the working end of a screwdriver. Nooooo, unlike you paups struggling to cobble together a PC as cheaply as possible, we're not short of a bob or two and find it easier and more convenient to get someone to do our chores for us. Cleaner, Gardener, Carwasher, Window cleaner, Mac repairer - they're all just 'little men' who each work wonders for a few quid :-) > On Wed, 7 May 2008 01:26:24 +0100, Rowland McBollocks wrote >> Oh well, you Mac geezers are made for it. If you had a Dell or Compaq you [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Cleaner, Gardener, Carwasher, Window cleaner, Mac repairer - they're all just > 'little men' who each work wonders for a few quid :-) And, don't forget the nice lady who comes in to do the ironing etc. On Thu, 8 May 2008 07:17:27 +0100, David Kennedy wrote >>> Oh well, you Mac geezers are made for it. If you had a Dell or Compaq you >>> could get a keyboard for $80 and install it yourself. But you probably [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > And, don't forget the nice lady who comes in to do the ironing etc. The cleaner does that :-) > On Thu, 8 May 2008 07:17:27 +0100, David Kennedy wrote >>>> Oh well, you Mac geezers are made for it. If you had a Dell or Compaq you [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > The cleaner does that :-) And does she polish everything... > On Thu, 8 May 2008 07:17:27 +0100, David Kennedy wrote > > > > And, don't forget the nice lady who comes in to do the > > ironing etc. > > The cleaner does that :-) I do my own irony. And the etceteras, like puns and bad jokes. SignatureAndrew Stephenson > So it seems. I've tripped up and spilled coffee on the MacBook keyboard. > At first the arrow keys got stuck or didn't respond. After a long [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Ok, anything I could do before giving up and starting looking for those > available Genius apointment slots? Turn it off and call your insurance company! If you haven't got backups remove the battery & ram cover slot & pull the hd, remove the shielding from around the HD, ensure it is all dry and go get a caddy to pull the data off (it'll fit a standard 3.5" SATA drive case its the same connectors). I've got a works macbook that suffered the same fate two weeks ago up on the shelf, it worked fine for a week, but the tea had gone under the shield of the HD, across the battery where it then dripped under the motherboard. So eventually it killed the HD and the graphics went shortly afterwards. The only parts working are the screen & the CD drive now. SignatureJon B Above email address IS valid. <http://www.bramley-computers.co.uk/> Apple Laptop Repairs. > > So it seems. I've tripped up and spilled coffee on the MacBook keyboard. > > At first the arrow keys got stuck or didn't respond. After a long [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > shortly afterwards. The only parts working are the screen & the CD drive > now. You have to act quick, remove battery, dismantle and wash in warm water, dry gently with warm air, and re-assemble. I've fixed a laptop that way (coca-cola) and a keyboard (yoghurt). > > > So it seems. I've tripped up and spilled coffee on the MacBook keyboard. > > > At first the arrow keys got stuck or didn't respond. After a long [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > dry gently with warm air, and re-assemble. I've fixed a laptop that way > (coca-cola) and a keyboard (yoghurt). Yeah unfortunately they didn't come to me with the problem or mention the tea incident until two weeks later when it was dead and the boards were in a bad way. Because there was no immediate problems when they spilt the tea on it, they just thought they'd got away with it and wiped the tea off the top of the keyboard. SignatureJon B Above email address IS valid. <http://www.bramley-computers.co.uk/> Apple Laptop Repairs. > > > > So it seems. I've tripped up and spilled coffee on the MacBook keyboard. > > > > At first the arrow keys got stuck or didn't respond. After a long [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > spilt the tea on it, they just thought they'd got away with it and wiped > the tea off the top of the keyboard. Too late as I had already started it up again. It is covered under house contents, so it is a case of taking the hd out, putting the old hard disk inside and waiting for them to come pick it up. Signatureflavio matani guitar tuition homepage.mac.com/flavio_matani/guitar/ www.livejournal.com/users/flavius_m/ > > > > Turn it off and call your insurance company! > > > > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > contents, so it is a case of taking the hd out, putting the old hard > disk inside and waiting for them to come pick it up. Will vary insurer to insurer, but obviously you want to keep hold of the drive with your data on (and ensure it is dry). SignatureJon B Above email address IS valid. <http://www.bramley-computers.co.uk/> Apple Laptop Repairs. > > > > > Turn it off and call your insurance company! > > > > > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Will vary insurer to insurer, but obviously you want to keep hold of the > drive with your data on (and ensure it is dry). Done that. It was an upgrade, the original one has now come back in, but for some reason it doesn't want to start up. It doesn't matter, I suppose... Signatureflavio matani guitar tuition homepage.mac.com/flavio_matani/guitar/ www.livejournal.com/users/flavius_m/ > > > Too late as I had already started it up again. It is covered under house > > > contents, so it is a case of taking the hd out, putting the old hard [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > for some reason it doesn't want to start up. It doesn't matter, I > suppose... Probably not, is the screen still lighting up or is it staying black? SignatureJon B Above email address IS valid. <http://www.bramley-computers.co.uk/> Apple Laptop Repairs. > > > > Too late as I had already started it up again. It is covered under house > > > > contents, so it is a case of taking the hd out, putting the old hard [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Probably not, is the screen still lighting up or is it staying black? Oh, it is starting up now, on the attempt number 500 or so. The keyboard wasn't responding at all earlier, now at least the caps lock and num lock lights come up. Keys gets stuck and the machine doesn't go to sleep, though. Genius Bar tomorrow, house contents policy does cover it after all so insurance people collecting it on Friday. But I'm travelling in a couple of weeks' time and will need the damn machine while I'm away overseas. Still, it means an inconvenience (ok, a bloody PITA) rather than a catastrophe. There's of course no way I can afford to either buy one now or, probably, have it repaired if I have to pay for it -unfortunately the description of the mac user by Stimpy elsewhere in this thread does not apply to me... Signatureflavio matani guitar tuition homepage.mac.com/flavio_matani/guitar/ www.livejournal.com/users/flavius_m/ > > > > > Too late as I had already started it up again. It is covered under > > > > > house contents, so it is a case of taking the hd out, putting the [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > for it -unfortunately the description of the mac user by Stimpy > elsewhere in this thread does not apply to me... Well here's hoping the insurance was as quick and efficient as CIS (cheque in a fortnight) were for me, and not as slow & hopeless as the Halifax were (cheque after 8 months...) SignatureJon B Above email address IS valid. <http://www.bramley-computers.co.uk/> Apple Laptop Repairs. i have a problem, i am a disabled man, i am totally paralyzed, i use a mac mini and i use smartnav osx 10.11, i use an on screen keyboard to type but i can not get cap lock to work. please can you help me get cap lock to work. please tell me what to do. i have tried to click cap lock, but i only get small letters. please tell me what to do to get capital letters. anton_parra@yahoo.com >i have a problem, i am a disabled man, i am totally paralyzed, i use a > mac mini and i use smartnav osx 10.11, i use an on screen keyboard to > type but i can not get cap lock to work. please can you help me get > cap lock to work. please tell me what to do. i have tried to click > cap lock, but i only get small letters. > please tell me what to do to get capital letters. Can you get somebody able-bodied to try the real keyboard to see whether the caps lock works on that? It may help us determine where the fault lies ... -- Graham J >>i have a problem, i am a disabled man, i am totally paralyzed, i use a >> mac mini and i use smartnav osx 10.11, i use an on screen keyboard to [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >It may help us determine where the fault lies ... Also, which on-screen keyboard software is it? The keyboard is more likely to be problematic than the Smartnav software, since Smartnav is certainly working well enough to type otherwise. Does the shift key work on the software keyboard? Perhaps it needs a "sticky keys" setting turned on. Cheers - Jaimie Signature"I'll never forget my first wife - drove me to drink. I'm eternally grateful." - W. C. Fields In article <5n7h249c55gh42b8q8aidfr1v0qde9scc2@newsposting.sessile.org>, Jaimie Vandenbergh <jaimie@sometimes.sessile.org> wrote: > >>i have a problem, i am a disabled man, i am totally paralyzed, i use a > >> mac mini and i use smartnav osx 10.11, i use an on screen keyboard to [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Does the shift key work on the software keyboard? Perhaps it needs a > "sticky keys" setting turned on. Also it is just possible that the caps-lock has been disabled or given another function in System Preferences » Keyboard and Mouse » Modifier Keys... I have no idea whether the setting there would be carried forward into Smartnav, but it is easy to check the setting which might otherwise have been forgotten. SignatureTo de-mung my e-mail address:- fsnospam$elliott$$ PGP Fingerprint: 1A96 3CF7 637F 896B C810 E199 7E5C A9E4 8E59 E248 |
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