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Pd - 05 May 2008 11:12 GMT
I was thinking only a few moments ago that it must be a few days now
since I've backed up, and I really must fire up the Time Machine disk
and let it do its thing.

A dialogue alert just popped up saying Time Machine hasn't backed up for
10 days, you should ought to back up, y'know? Nice to know the
application designers understand human frailty.

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jim - 05 May 2008 11:16 GMT
> I was thinking only a few moments ago that it must be a few days now
> since I've backed up, and I really must fire up the Time Machine disk
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> 10 days, you should ought to back up, y'know? Nice to know the
> application designers understand human frailty.

On that note, my Time Machine backup to a remote Samba share seems to be
working nicely. I'd probably have a hard time restoring my entire system
from it, so it's far from perfect, but it's certainly better than what I
had before, ie nothing.

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Jaimie Vandenbergh - 05 May 2008 11:54 GMT
>> I was thinking only a few moments ago that it must be a few days now
>> since I've backed up, and I really must fire up the Time Machine disk
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>On that note, my Time Machine backup to a remote Samba share seems to be
>working nicely.

Likewise here (again, thanks to Herve for getting me to look at it
once more).

>I'd probably have a hard time restoring my entire system
>from it, so it's far from perfect,

Hmmm. I'll have to actually trial that from booting a Leopard disk.
There's no reason why it shouldn't work, unless the Leopard DVD
doesn't have SMB protocols running, or doesn't give a UI to mount a
remote drive.

> but it's certainly better than what I
>had before, ie nothing.

I had backups already using Deja Vu, but this is neater and has worked
out more reliable.

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jim - 05 May 2008 12:00 GMT
> >I'd probably have a hard time restoring my entire system
> >from it, so it's far from perfect,
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> doesn't have SMB protocols running, or doesn't give a UI to mount a
> remote drive.

I'm not sure how you'd get it to show unsupported drives from the boot
DVD.

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Jaimie Vandenbergh - 05 May 2008 14:25 GMT
>> >I'd probably have a hard time restoring my entire system
>> >from it, so it's far from perfect,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>I'm not sure how you'd get it to show unsupported drives from the boot
>DVD.

Let's have a look... boot off the Leopard disk, and hunt around.

Okay - connect to network goes fine.

No Finder to mount from.
No similar options in Disk Utility.
'mount_smbfs //10.0.0.3/tm /Volumes/tm' errors with "failed to load
the smb library: unknown error: 1102". No google hits for that.

Not at all promising!

So lets pop into Utilities/Restore from backup anyway... "Select a
Backup Source" screen offers a greyed out "connect to remote disk"
button, but mine never lights up. I wonder if that's mediated by
Bonjour, or given the SMB trouble perhaps AFP only?

Complete failure. Bum.

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Chris Ridd - 05 May 2008 15:46 GMT
> So lets pop into Utilities/Restore from backup anyway... "Select a
> Backup Source" screen offers a greyed out "connect to remote disk"
> button, but mine never lights up. I wonder if that's mediated by
> Bonjour, or given the SMB trouble perhaps AFP only?

The Remote Disk's the thing Apple introduced for the Air (but is now
for all in 10.5.2), isn't it? I wonder if you can set up a remote disk
"server" somewhere that exports your TM data as a disk?

How does Remote Disk work anyway?

Cheers,

Chris
Jaimie Vandenbergh - 05 May 2008 23:58 GMT
>> So lets pop into Utilities/Restore from backup anyway... "Select a
>> Backup Source" screen offers a greyed out "connect to remote disk"
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>How does Remote Disk work anyway?

Bonjour, afaict. Host advertises the drive, client spots it, [optional
authorisation step,] it appears in the client Finder window.

    Cheers - Jaimie
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Chris Ridd - 06 May 2008 05:41 GMT
>> How does Remote Disk work anyway?
>
> Bonjour, afaict. Host advertises the drive, client spots it, [optional
> authorisation step,] it appears in the client Finder window.

I'm sure Bonjour *is* used, but isn't it just the way the client finds
the server, and that some other protocol takes on the heavy lifting
once that's happened?

Cheers,

Chris
Jaimie Vandenbergh - 06 May 2008 10:20 GMT
>>> How does Remote Disk work anyway?
>>
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>the server, and that some other protocol takes on the heavy lifting
>once that's happened?

It's AFP after that, at least on running machines. Not sure what a
netbooted Air uses, and I cba to break out a sniffer and find out.

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Roger Merriman - 05 May 2008 14:20 GMT
> I was thinking only a few moments ago that it must be a few days now
> since I've backed up, and I really must fire up the Time Machine disk
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> 10 days, you should ought to back up, y'know? Nice to know the
> application designers understand human frailty.

yup it's good also after 20 days, very possibly 30 as well.

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