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Pd - 03 May 2008 23:54 GMT
Despite my admonitions, the grandparents took the kids to McDonalds
<hoik spit>, and they've come back with a CD in a plastic dinosaur egg.
Shows how much profit they're making on their Crappy Meal, dunnit.

On OSX 10.3.9, after playing some stupid Flash intro, the Dragons app
stops with "Alert: Permission required."

On 10.4.11, the stupid Flash intro crashes out after a few seconds.

On 10.5.2, I get a screen that says : OSX Leopard - version not
available.
10 points for realising Macs exist, and knowing what the latest OS is.
Nul points for not using some non-OS-version-sensitive technology.

Showing package contents, and firing up the embedded Flash application,
it all works as far as it did in 10.3.9, ending with the Alert:
Permission message.  No clicking, command keying, whatever seems to get
past this, despite trying it in an admin account.

Ignoring the obvious requirement for the application of a big fat
clue-by-four to the GPs, what could McDorkalds be doing that a) won't
work on any version of OSX we have, and b) is worth further
investigation?

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Ian McCall - 04 May 2008 10:27 GMT
> Despite my admonitions, the grandparents took the kids to McDonalds
> <hoik spit>, and they've come back with a CD in a plastic dinosaur egg.
> Shows how much profit they're making on their Crappy Meal, dunnit.

Give in. This way madness lies. I've tried...

> On OSX 10.3.9, after playing some stupid Flash intro, the Dragons app
> stops with "Alert: Permission required."

No 10.3 install to try it on, but this is what happens to me on a
10.4.11 install.

> On 10.4.11, the stupid Flash intro crashes out after a few seconds.

Odd - works fine here in the sense of no crashing, but behaves as you
describe 10.3.9 to do.

> On 10.5.2, I get a screen that says : OSX Leopard - version not
> available.

Snap.

> 10 points for realising Macs exist, and knowing what the latest OS is.
> Nul points for not using some non-OS-version-sensitive technology.

According to the dates on the CD, this was mastered in November 2007.
In Nov 2007, there really, -really- should have been a Leopard version
of what they're doing available.

> Showing package contents, and firing up the embedded Flash application,
> it all works as far as it did in 10.3.9, ending with the Alert:
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> work on any version of OSX we have, and b) is worth further
> investigation?

I suspect they want access to the file system or possibly even the
camera, and that the Flash settings are denying it as insecure. I tried
the site to see if there was a patch, nothing. I emailed - nothing.

Thing is, although I could run it under a Windows VM instead the Mac
experience has put me off doing so. What level of permissions does it
want that it can't get under an Admin account? And if it wants that
depth of access, what would it do under Windows? I have
become...suspicious.

Cheers,
Ian
Pd - 04 May 2008 11:44 GMT
> > Despite my admonitions, the grandparents took the kids to McDonalds
> > <hoik spit>, and they've come back with a CD in a plastic dinosaur egg.
> > Shows how much profit they're making on their Crappy Meal, dunnit.
>
> Give in. This way madness lies. I've tried...

Quite.

> > 10 points for realising Macs exist, and knowing what the latest OS is.
> > Nul points for not using some non-OS-version-sensitive technology.
>
> According to the dates on the CD, this was mastered in November 2007.
> In Nov 2007, there really, -really- should have been a Leopard version
> of what they're doing available.

In Nov 2007, they really really should be doing stuff that's OS
agnostic, Windows, Mac, *nix, whatever. What could they want to do that
Flash doesn't do on any platform?

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Danny Thompson - 04 May 2008 19:18 GMT
> I suspect they want access to the file system or possibly even the
> camera, and that the Flash settings are denying it as insecure. I tried
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> depth of access, what would it do under Windows? I have
> become...suspicious.

And rightly so.

Today my two girls were given the McDonalds 'Fairy" DVD (their crude
gendering of stuff makes me weep), and insisted I try them.

So I ran one on my Parallels XP VM.

It wasn't made clear exactly what was being run or installed. The only
question or option was language.

As you can see here:

<http://www.flickr.com/photos/lydiardtregoze/2465160768/>

it has taken over my desktop.

The 'games' themselves are lamentable Sims-alike efforts involving
sub-Disney fairys. My 4 and 6 year olds tired of them within two
minutes, so I exited the application.

But the hideous wallpaper is still there. I ejected the DVD, shut down
Windows, exited Parallels - and then booted it back up.

Disgusting wallpaper still there. What else has been installed, changed
etc I have no idea. This is one reason why I turn off Airport whenever I
have to open Windows. Now I'll see if there's an uninstaller worthy of
the name.

It is indeed the binary equivalent of their 'food', and the fact that
Leopard gags at it is a blessing.

It was time for a Parallels/XP re-install anyway, but now I've forced
myself into one.

Danny
Woody - 04 May 2008 19:33 GMT
> > I suspect they want access to the file system or possibly even the
> > camera, and that the Flash settings are denying it as insecure. I tried
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
> have to open Windows. Now I'll see if there's an uninstaller worthy of
> the name.

Well, I would imagine it is what it looked like. It has changed the
walpaper. You can right click on the desktop and change it back, and I
would imagine you can just uninstall the McD application. Which is more
than you can do with the food.

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Chris Ridd - 04 May 2008 19:42 GMT
>> Disgusting wallpaper still there. What else has been installed, changed
>> etc I have no idea. This is one reason why I turn off Airport whenever I
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> would imagine you can just uninstall the McD application. Which is more
> than you can do with the food.

There's always the "lower digestive movement" that those funny ads talk
about, but doesn't Parallels have some kind of snapshot/rollback
facility?

Cheers,

Chris
Woody - 04 May 2008 19:58 GMT
> >> Disgusting wallpaper still there. What else has been installed, changed
> >> etc I have no idea. This is one reason why I turn off Airport whenever I
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> about, but doesn't Parallels have some kind of snapshot/rollback
> facility?

Well, if you quit without saving, none of it would have been added when
you restart.
By which I mean 'yes'.

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Roger Merriman - 05 May 2008 14:44 GMT
> >> Disgusting wallpaper still there. What else has been installed, changed
> >> etc I have no idea. This is one reason why I turn off Airport whenever I
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Chris

lot of the macdonalds have free wifi, via the cloud, have to give a
postcode but thats it, so thats handy if on the hoof, though the food is
best avoided and the coffee is normally terrible, worse than the food
normally.

but free wifi is handy sometimes...

roger
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Danny Thompson - 04 May 2008 22:05 GMT
> Well, I would imagine it is what it looked like. It has changed the
> walpaper. You can right click on the desktop and change it back, and I
> would imagine you can just uninstall the McD application. Which is more
> than you can do with the food.

I know the wallpaper can be changed, but its the... intrusiveness... of
changing it without asking.

As I said, the only question during installation was 'What language?'

In fact, it wasn't clear it was an installation, as opposed to just
running some Flash or html off the disc.

I didn't expect anything different from a combination of Windows and
McDonalds, but still.

Danny
Ian McCall - 04 May 2008 21:31 GMT
>> ...Thing is, although I could run it under a Windows VM instead the Mac
>> experience has put me off doing so. What level of permissions does it
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> it has taken over my desktop.

Ooh. Not pleasant. Can imagine a few dads with daughters and a Windows
worklaptop making a few embarrassed tech support calls  when they get
back to the office.

> ... This is one reason why I turn off Airport whenever I
> have to open Windows. Now I'll see if there's an uninstaller worthy of
> the name.

Little Snitch is working fine as a firewall for Windows too as it
requests permission each time vmware-natd wants to do something.

Cheers,
Ian
nospamatall - 04 May 2008 14:50 GMT
> Despite my admonitions, the grandparents took the kids to McDonalds
> <hoik spit>, and they've come back with a CD in a plastic dinosaur egg.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> On 10.4.11, the stupid Flash intro crashes out after a few seconds.

The software is working fine.
It is doing for your computer what their crap does to your stomach.
Andy
 
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