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Mighty Mouse gone wonky

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deKay - 03 Apr 2008 07:43 GMT
Just now, in the middle of using the ball to scroll down a webpage in
Firefox, suddenly the page started to scroll the other way.

Now, the ball won't scroll down at all. If I scroll down with it, it
actually scrolls up. If I scroll up, it continues to scroll up.
Basically, up is up and down is up.  WHAT

Also, it doesn't make the little clicky noises when scrolling down any
more, but does scrolling up.

Help?

deKay
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Ian Robinson - 03 Apr 2008 08:04 GMT
> Just now, in the middle of using the ball to scroll down a webpage in
> Firefox, suddenly the page started to scroll the other way.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Also, it doesn't make the little clicky noises when scrolling down any
> more, but does scrolling up.

Have you cleaned it? A squirt of electronics cleaner (some people use  
methylated spirit) into the socket and a vigourous few turns of the ball
might fix it.

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Gary - 03 Apr 2008 08:07 GMT
> Have you cleaned it? A squirt of electronics cleaner (some people use  
> methylated spirit) into the socket and a vigourous few turns of the ball
> might fix it.

I ususally just roll my ball around using my shirt, tie, any bit of
cloth a few times. Fixes it for a few days.

Eating greasy sausage roll whilst using mighty mouse is not such a good
idea.
Stimpy - 03 Apr 2008 09:33 GMT
On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 07:07:44 +0000, Gary wrote

> I ususally just roll my ball around using my shirt, tie, any bit of
> cloth a few times.

<splutter... grrrk... fnarr>
Gary - 03 Apr 2008 18:49 GMT
> On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 07:07:44 +0000, Gary wrote
>>
>> I ususally just roll my ball around using my shirt, tie, any bit of
>> cloth a few times.
>
> <splutter... grrrk... fnarr>

If it's still sliding without friction, rub it with some more cloth to make
sure it's nice and dry. Not too much though.

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>Have you cleaned it? A squirt of electronics cleaner (some people use  
>methylated spirit) into the socket and a vigourous few turns of the ball
>might fix it.

I didn't try cleaning it, no, but it seems odd that it just reversed
mid-scroll. The ball is clean, and works in the other three directions fine.

I'll clean it later.

deKay
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Ian Cargill - 25 May 2008 12:32 GMT
> Just now, in the middle of using the ball to scroll down a webpage in
> Firefox, suddenly the page started to scroll the other way.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> deKay

The solution, I have found, is to:

(a) clean it in the way others have described, also by vigorous
scrolling action to dislodge bits of dirt.

...and, eventually and inevitably when (a) no longer works,

(b) put the Mighty Mouse in the bin and, reluctantly buy a non-Apple
mouse. They're not as nice looking or as satisfying to use but at least
they're more reliable and last longer.

Ian
Fry - 25 May 2008 12:43 GMT
> (b) put the Mighty Mouse in the bin and, reluctantly buy a non-Apple
> mouse. They're not as nice looking or as satisfying to use but at least
> they're more reliable and last longer.

This is the closest thing I've seen to an Apple-style bluetooth mouse:
http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/mice/devices/3287&cl=gb,en#
(The white version, obviously)

Haven't tried one though, I'm still clinging to my old MX1000, which
sticks out like a sore thumb on my desk alongside all my Apple stuff...
Woody - 25 May 2008 12:57 GMT
>> (b) put the Mighty Mouse in the bin and, reluctantly buy a non-Apple
>> mouse. They're not as nice looking or as satisfying to use but at least
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Haven't tried one though, I'm still clinging to my old MX1000, which
> sticks out like a sore thumb on my desk alongside all my Apple stuff...

I am a great fan of logitech mice in general, I have them almost everywhere
apart from the iMac, where I have the mighty mouse. I love the little
trackball thing, although I dislike almost everything else about the mouse,
especially the buttons which don't work properly.
I presume apple must have some patent to stop other companies from using a
similar sort of thing on their mice, but is there something else similar?

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Tim Streater - 25 May 2008 13:00 GMT
> > Just now, in the middle of using the ball to scroll down a webpage in
> > Firefox, suddenly the page started to scroll the other way.
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> mouse. They're not as nice looking or as satisfying to use but at least
> they're more reliable and last longer.

Stuff and nonsense, cleaning inside is perfectly feasible. At work I
have a bluetooth one - which means there is less space inside since the
AA batteries consume it. This makes it a bit more fiddley, but there are
instructions on the web to "dismantle mighty mouse" (that was what you
need to google for), and they come with pictures.

I did this about 6 months ago and its worked fine ever since. You need a
stanley knife and some superglue to do the dis/re-mantling, and the
usual washing up liquid to clean the parts.

If someone said, pity Apple didn't design it to make this process
easier, I would agree. But you don't need to have cabinet maker skills
to do it.
Fry - 25 May 2008 16:08 GMT
> If someone said, pity Apple didn't design it to make this process
> easier, I would agree. But you don't need to have cabinet maker skills
> to do it.

I'm really quite surprised that, in 2008, people find it acceptable
that they have to dismantle and repair their computer's mouse every few
months to keep it functioning correctly. Considering no other mouse on
the market requires this of their user, it's odd that people are
willing to put up with it instead of just getting a mouse that doesn't
require routine maintenance.
Woody - 25 May 2008 16:55 GMT
>> If someone said, pity Apple didn't design it to make this process
>> easier, I would agree. But you don't need to have cabinet maker skills
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> with it instead of just getting a mouse that doesn't require routine
> maintenance.

I find it odd that people are willing to replace it with a mouse that
doesn't require routine maintenance rather than sending it back to apple
every time it goes wrong until they either fix it or replace it witha
working design. Like other things it has a 1 year guarantee.

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Fry - 25 May 2008 17:49 GMT
> I find it odd that people are willing to replace it with a mouse that
> doesn't require routine maintenance rather than sending it back to
> apple every time it goes wrong until they either fix it or replace it
> witha working design. Like other things it has a 1 year guarantee.

Sending it back is all well and good, but then you're lacking a mouse
in the mean time (though most people should be able to find an old USB
mouse knocking around). When I had a problem with my Logitech MX1000,
they sent me a new one, and only requested that I cut off the USB
connector and post it back to them as proof of disposal of the old
one...
Woody - 25 May 2008 20:09 GMT
> > I find it odd that people are willing to replace it with a mouse that
> > doesn't require routine maintenance rather than sending it back to
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> connector and post it back to them as proof of disposal of the old
> one...

I have no mice shortage, so if/when it goes wrong I will post it back.

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Tim Streater - 25 May 2008 19:10 GMT
> > If someone said, pity Apple didn't design it to make this process
> > easier, I would agree. But you don't need to have cabinet maker skills
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> willing to put up with it instead of just getting a mouse that doesn't
> require routine maintenance.

Because it has the killer feature of a *small* scroll-ball built in.

A mouse without a wheel is rubbish compared to one with a wheel. But a
wheel mouse is rubbish compared to an MM, because the scrolling ability
it gives me ups my productivity quite a lot.

Would I like it not to need fixing from time to time? (once in 15 months
so far). Would I like to it to be easier to clean? It may amaze you, but
yes! But you have to make your own judgement about where utility vs.
irritation lies.
Fry - 25 May 2008 20:35 GMT
> A mouse without a wheel is rubbish compared to one with a wheel. But a
> wheel mouse is rubbish compared to an MM, because the scrolling ability
> it gives me ups my productivity quite a lot.

Horses for courses I suppose... I don't generally need to scroll
sideways, but when I do, I can tilt my wheel to scroll horizontally
(albeit at a fixed velocity). The killer feature for me is having
several configurable extra buttons, which I have set to be cmd+click,
vol up/down, cmd+left arrow, cmd+right arrow, and expose; all of which
make me much more productive.
Woody - 25 May 2008 21:20 GMT
> > > If someone said, pity Apple didn't design it to make this process
> > > easier, I would agree. But you don't need to have cabinet maker skills
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> yes! But you have to make your own judgement about where utility vs.
> irritation lies.

For me it would be on the edge. I like the ball but I hate the mouse, so
it is on a permenant borderline of whether I should replace it or not.
As it is, if I used it as my only machine I may have replaced it by now,
but as it isn't it stays.

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Ben Shimmin - 25 May 2008 13:05 GMT
Ian Cargill <ian@pmp-ni.com>:
>> Just now, in the middle of using the ball to scroll down a webpage in
>> Firefox, suddenly the page started to scroll the other way.
>>
>> Now, the ball won't scroll down at all. If I scroll down with it, it
>> actually scrolls up. If I scroll up, it continues to scroll up.
>> Basically, up is up and down is up.  WHAT

[...]

> The solution, I have found, is to:
>
> (a) clean it in the way others have described, also by vigorous
> scrolling action to dislodge bits of dirt.
>
> ...and, eventually and inevitably when (a) no longer works,

Some people will dispute your `eventually and inevitably'.  In my
experience (two Mighty Mice, both now with non-functional scrolling
blobs), they work perfectly for about 3-4 months, with no maintenance
required.  Then the scrolling blob goes wonky.  Then you start cleaning
it with the prescribed methods (e.g. a dab of isopropyl alcohol on some
kitchen roll), perhaps as often as once a fortnight, and it will continue
to work pretty well for perhaps another 3 months or so.  And then the
blob will stop working, and no amount of cleaning will make it work.  At
that point, as Ian says, bin it and get a non-Apple replacement.

b.

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Ian Piper - 28 May 2008 16:31 GMT
> Some people will dispute your `eventually and inevitably'.  In my
> experience (two Mighty Mice, both now with non-functional scrolling
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> b.

Maybe I've just been lucky, but I've got two Mighty Mouses and they
have been OK overall. I have done the usual "rub it on yer jumper" and
"blow down its hole" tricks and they have been enough to get the
scrolling moving again. However, this afternoon, prompted by this
thread, I decided to take them both apart to give them a proper
clean-out, and I was surprised by a) how easy it was and b) how much
crud and dust-bunny accumulation there was in the innards. Well worth a
try before throwing it away if you ask me. Actually, here's a deal: if
you are thinking of throwing away a Mighty Mouse, send it to me (I'll
pay the postage). I could do with having a couple of spares around!

Regards,

Ian.
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