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How to rotate document in Omnigraffle

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Kit - 27 Mar 2008 22:28 GMT
Hi,

I've just started playing with Omnigraffle 2.2 with OS 10.3.9.
I want to do a house layout.
The default document orientation is portrait mode - how do I set it to
landscape?

Kit
Ian Robinson - 27 Mar 2008 22:47 GMT
> The default document orientation is portrait mode - how do I set it to
> landscape?

File->Page Setup?

Ian
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Kit - 27 Mar 2008 22:56 GMT
> > The default document orientation is portrait mode - how do I set it to
> > landscape?
>
> File->Page Setup?
>
> Ian

Thanks!
I feel a bit stupid not thinking of that...  my very feeble excuse for
not doing so is that I usually think of page setup in terms of
printing.

Kit
zoara - 29 Mar 2008 23:13 GMT
> I've just started playing with Omnigraffle 2.2 with OS 10.3.9.
> I want to do a house layout.

Not an answer to your question at all, but you might want to look into
Sketchup if you are doing this sort of thing. It's a 3D package but
exceptionally easy to use and brilliant for doing room / house layouts.

We're moving house in a couple of weeks, and on Tuesday we're visiting
the new place to measure up the rooms. I'll use those measurements to
build 3D models of the rooms, then add the 3D models of our furniture
(which I've built over time) and shuffle them around until we find a
nice layout. Then when we move in, we can put stuff straight into the
best place instead of playing furniture-shuffle.

I wouldn't recommend it unless you enjoy (or think you might enjoy) that
sort of thing though. I'm familiar enough with Sketchup now that I can
knock up a half-decent model of a new table or chair in around five
minutes and a room in even less, so it works out quicker and easier than
just shuffling furniture around... but it takes some time to get
familiar with the concepts and techniques; when I started out it took me
ages and would have been simpler to just get on with it. But I
thoroughly enjoyed learning it and still thoroughly enjoy using it.

       -zoara-

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Kit - 30 Mar 2008 10:39 GMT
> > I've just started playing with Omnigraffle 2.2 with OS 10.3.9.
> > I want to do a house layout.
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> ages and would have been simpler to just get on with it. But I
> thoroughly enjoyed learning it and still thoroughly enjoy using it.

Thanks for the suggestion. I'll take a look at it.
Actually, I'm not concerned with furniture at the moment. The house
layout is a fictional one that I'm putting together for a story I'm
writing about a very large house, so I want to make sure that as my
characters walk around there is consistency.

Kit
Ian Robinson - 30 Mar 2008 11:26 GMT
> Actually, I'm not concerned with furniture at the moment. The house
> layout is a fictional one that I'm putting together for a story I'm
> writing about a very large house, so I want to make sure that as my
> characters walk around there is consistency.

On that topic; Do you use any off the writer helper applications such as
Scrivener or Storymill? What do you think of them?

Ian
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Kit - 30 Mar 2008 12:44 GMT
> > Actually, I'm not concerned with furniture at the moment. The house
> > layout is a fictional one that I'm putting together for a story I'm
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> On that topic; Do you use any off the writer helper applications such as
> Scrivener or Storymill? What do you think of them?

No, I've never tried them.
I don't write screenplay type things and I've always found MS Word
adequate for my minimal needs.

Kit
Ian Robinson - 30 Mar 2008 14:19 GMT
> I don't write screenplay type things and I've always found MS Word
> adequate for my minimal needs.

Both those I mentioned are targeted towards novels etc. rather than
screenplays. I like Scivener (although I've only scratched the surface of
what it does I think).

Ian
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Andrew Stephenson - 30 Mar 2008 15:40 GMT
> > I don't write screenplay type things and I've always found MS Word
> > adequate for my minimal needs.
>
> Both those I mentioned are targeted towards novels etc. rather
> than screenplays. I like Scivener (although I've only scratched
> the surface of what it does I think).

AFAIK, The One True Way for script writers is supposed to be
Final Draft -- to the extent that Jonathan Woss made quite a
good joke at the BAFTAs, something about whether the posters
for the WAG strike used a FD template.  The audience got it,
being familiar with FD.  I'm not sure the Man On The Clapham
Omnibus did or whether He understands how picky some markets
can be over script format, which FD simplifies.

I've looked at FD (the sample they let you try out) and felt
it would be worth getting for my Mac(s), should I ever start
that scriptwriting game.  Until then, I get by with WordStar
for DOS and careful use of paragraph styles.
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SM - 30 Mar 2008 23:18 GMT
> I've looked at FD (the sample they let you try out) and felt
> it would be worth getting for my Mac(s), should I ever start
> that scriptwriting game.  Until then, I get by with WordStar
> for DOS and careful use of paragraph styles.

You could take a look at the free Celtx:

<http://www.celtx.com/>

FWIW FD has a reputation similar to Word.

Stuart
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Andrew Stephenson - 31 Mar 2008 00:19 GMT
> > I've looked at FD (the sample they let you try out) and felt
> > it would be worth getting for my Mac(s), should I ever start
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>
> <http://www.celtx.com/>

Thanks for the suggestion.  Duly filed, for when I must hurry to
do a Heroic $hiny Hunt for script-related s/ware.

> FWIW FD has a reputation similar to Word.

Er, I need to ask: with whom?  In two senses: (1) people such as
our resident M $ - a p o l o g i s t probably regard Word as the
cat's pyjamas hence possible agenda of a POV must be considered;
and (2) AIUI, a lot of people who are NOT going to sit still for
M$-style failure modes (and therefore use, eg, Macs) like it and
rely on it, to the point where the format seems (NB my vagueness
due to hearsay) to be a _lingua franca_ in the screen trade.

But I know nothing beyond some fiddling about with FD.  I report
what seems true. :-)
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SM - 31 Mar 2008 11:43 GMT
> > FWIW FD has a reputation similar to Word.
>
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> But I know nothing beyond some fiddling about with FD.  I report
> what seems true. :-)

I should have been clearer, as I don't use Final Draft, so "seems to
have a reputation..." would have been better.
My take from reading reports over the years is that Final Draft's
position as the dominant/default screenwriting program means its users
have to take some rough with the smooth.

Sample FD griping here:
<http://johnaugust.com/archives/2004/new-final-draft-version-70-ismargin
ally-better>

Celtx which I mentioned is in another (lower) league, but is good fun.

Stuart
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Andrew Stephenson - 31 Mar 2008 15:17 GMT
> > > FWIW FD has a reputation similar to Word.
> >
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> <http://johnaugust.com/archives/2004/new-final-draft-version-70-ismargin
> ally-better>

Also duly filed, for time of need.  I see the date is 2004, which
precedes my acquaintance with FD by about a year.  But okay, I'll
go cautiously.

Mind, FD would be utter twerps not to hasten to fix every bug the
user base reports, lest they lose their market pre-eminence--  Or
has that theory already been tested and found wanting, elsewhere?

;-)

> Celtx which I mentioned is in another (lower) league, but is
> good fun.

I look forward to painting my face blue-and-white and whirling my
claymore at producers and directors.
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Jaimie Vandenbergh - 30 Mar 2008 13:08 GMT
>> Actually, I'm not concerned with furniture at the moment. The house
>> layout is a fictional one that I'm putting together for a story I'm
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>On that topic; Do you use any off the writer helper applications such as
>Scrivener or Storymill? What do you think of them?

I got a thumbs-up for Storymill off a relative a while back, but I'm
not sure she did a group test before settling in to use it so I don't
know how much of a recommend that is.

    Cheers - Jaimie
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Ian Robinson - 30 Mar 2008 14:20 GMT
> I got a thumbs-up for Storymill off a relative a while back, but I'm
> not sure she did a group test before settling in to use it so I don't
> know how much of a recommend that is.

The Scrivener approach "feels" better to me.

Ian
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Elliott Roper - 30 Mar 2008 15:22 GMT
> > I got a thumbs-up for Storymill off a relative a while back, but I'm
> > not sure she did a group test before settling in to use it so I don't
> > know how much of a recommend that is.
>
> The Scrivener approach "feels" better to me.

Andy Ihnatko in April's Macworld UK says he's left his Office 2008
unopened.
....at the end of his piece on why he loves Scrivener.

It sounds like it suits his kind of rambling journalism. I'd say it was
a recommendation.
Downloading the trial now.

My copy of Office 2008 is likewise unopened.

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zoara - 31 Mar 2008 00:31 GMT
> It sounds like it suits his kind of rambling journalism.

He rambles on MacBreak Weekly, too. I like that.

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