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Mac Forum / Country Specific / UK Mac Group / March 2008Road Angel <> Mac and networking.
Hi All, I was helping a mate put a PC back online the other days that had been shelved because someone they called it to sort it out said it couldn't be done and they should buy a Mac! They did so (big silver box jobby) but their lad nicked it for his iPod and my mate gave up trying to use it as 'it didn't work with any of his stuff' (he's not 'PC literate' in general so that was no slur on the Mac, apart from the genuine lack of compatibility in some cases of course). So, once I'd reset the router (no one knew the password / Wifi codes Mac man had set) and Ethernet WiFi bridge, (used just for the Mac as we know about them an USB wireless ..[1]) everything was online and his Road Angel updated at last. ;-) While I was there I connected his camera and phone (neither seemed to work for him or sonny Jim on the Mac (only came with Widows software) but may well have been doable). So, is there any way of interfacing the Road Angel on the Mac do we know please (other than a Win VM etc)? I was thinking maybe Leper might do summat Tiger couldn't? On the Road Angel FAQs they say: http://www.roadangel.com.au/MultiPage.aspx?PageID=401#Anchor424 "Is the Road Angel synchronisation software Apple Macintosh compatible? The Road Angel synchronisation software will unfortunately not work on Apple Macintosh computers with Mac OS at the present time; however the Road Angel is not dependent on a PC to operate. If you have an Apple Macintosh we recommend that you visit an internet café with PCs once a month to keep your Road Angel up to date." ;-) The actual Mac and screen were nice enough to use but the flat keyboard was not. I even managed to set the i/p stuff manually on the Mac to try to configure the bridge but in spite of defaulting it I couldn't connect the address given on the bottom label as (192.168.0.221). Luckily Netgear do a (Windows only) config Wizard util for the WGE101 and that found it on .201 doh! I then had to set the router back to WEP as the bridge only seems to support that (and it was running the latest firmware). Anyway, it all ended happily if not ideally so that was good. ;-) All the best .. T i m [1] I did think of trying the EW-7318Ug Edimax USB WiFi dongle I'd installed on the PC on the Mac, as it looked like there were OSX drivers for it on the site (and I guess would have supported WPA), then try some of those Homeplug units for the PC downstairs (it was a Sony Vaio Media PC and only had half height expansion slots, hence the USB solution), getting the WGE101 out of the equation? Anyone used a EW-7318Ug under OSX please? > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > know please (other than a Win VM etc)? I was thinking maybe Leper > might do summat Tiger couldn't? if there are no drivers then probably not, if it mounts as a drive you might beaable to update databases via drag and drop depending on how road angel is set up. > On the Road Angel FAQs they say: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > WEP as the bridge only seems to support that (and it was running the > latest firmware). WEP is pritty broken now, might be worth just hiding and doing MAC filtering in the if some one knows what there doing it woun't last long, but it will keep the looking for a open network folks out. in that friend will not need to rember the pass. > Anyway, it all ended happily if not ideally so that was good. ;-) > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > USB solution), getting the WGE101 out of the equation? Anyone used a > EW-7318Ug under OSX please? roger >  Signaturewww.rogermerriman.com >> So, is there any way of interfacing the Road Angel on the Mac do we >> know please (other than a Win VM etc)? I was thinking maybe Leper [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >might beaable to update databases via drag and drop depending on how >road angel is set up. As in mass storage device you mean Roger? Good question. I didn't see it used on the Mac but was going from what he said, plus the FAQ etc. I though someone here may have sorted an 'unofficial get round though? >> Luckily Netgear do a (Windows only) config Wizard util for the WGE101 >> and that found it on .201 doh! I then had to set the router back to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >filtering in the if some one knows what there doing it woun't last long, >but it will keep the looking for a open network folks out. Yeah, I didn't like leaving it like that (and we had sorted out a nice WPA key and tested it with the PC's etc) but were tied by the kit I had to work with at the time. Had the wireless been a problem from the upstairs router to the downstairs PC he would have bought some Homeplug things and I could have tried the Edimax USB dongle on the Mac, but it seems to be working ok. I've got to go back with a PCMCIA card for the Dell laptop sometime so might try the USB thing on the Mac then. All the best .. T i m > I though someone here may have sorted an 'unofficial get round though? First google search I tried: http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=road+angel+mac ...turned this up as the second hit: http://www.roadangel.co.uk/support/navigator7000/installationMAC.html The link you posted was the fourth hit, but it was worth scrolling down as it did have the advantage that you could use it to point out how useless Macs are. -z- Signature"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge." - Charles Darwin > > I though someone here may have sorted an 'unofficial get round though? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > as it did have the advantage that you could use it to point out how > useless Macs are. Yeah but that link you found is for the UK, whereas Tim's link saying they don't work with the Mac is Australian. Perhaps Tim's friend is Australian - did you think of that eh? Eh? You seem to think Tim's *trying* to be difficult, whereas he's jus' tryin' ta git along in a confusin' ol' Mac world where nuthin' works, everythin' costs more and ya cain't git cheap parts. SignaturePd >> > I though someone here may have sorted an 'unofficial get round though? >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >they don't work with the Mac is Australian. Perhaps Tim's friend is >Australian - did you think of that eh? Eh? He is actually! His name is Greg "Grig", he has been living here a while now. >You seem to think Tim's *trying* to be difficult, whereas he's jus' >tryin' ta git along in a confusin' ol' Mac world where nuthin' works, >everythin' costs more and ya cain't git cheap parts. Yup, a world where if you own a Road Angel Plus it would appear you really can't update it via your Mac as there don't seem to be any get-rounds after all. Mind you it seems like only Roger was *really* looking, the rest were just trying to make themselves look clever (not you Pete, yours was correct and funny). Oh well, another one to add to the list. Thanks for yer help anyway Peter ... ;-) All the best .. T i m > Thanks for yer help anyway Peter I wun't no help at all. Generally, there is a solution for every computer requirement for Macs. There are 7334 solutions for Windows, and 99% of them are crap. You see this as an advantage, I see it as a monumental waste of good shagging time. I like to grab the one disk/GPS/nuclear weapon/dog training device/webcam that works, because it's generally high qwaliddy, use it, go to bed. I can't be doing with all this messing about comparing fifty different Firewire PCI cards to find one that works so I can capture my HDV footage, I'd rather simply plug in my camera, grab the footage and be done. But I'm not a tinkerer any more. I've done all that, now I'm old and stupid I just want the damn thing to do what I want it to do. I sure as hell don't want to assemble it first. Nor do I care if some tacky little USB webcam doesn't work, since I've got a webcam built-in. If it don't work with my Mac, it ain't worth rat leather. SignaturePd >> Thanks for yer help anyway Peter > >I wun't no help at all. Meh, you tried yer best, that's all I ask. >Generally, there is a solution for every >computer requirement for Macs. And why I mentioned it of course. Alas, not this time. > There are 7334 solutions for Windows, and >99% of them are crap. You know yer Windows I see (well done for keeping up etc). >You see this as an advantage, I see it as a >monumental waste of good shagging time. Not sure I follow how an out_of_the_box solution can be slower than farting about trying to see if it will ever work but then I'm no good with Mclogic (and I like shagging more than most). But I'm married so I'm back to sleeping (and w.nking) on my own (I'm too ugly to get lucky and have no money to pay for it). :-( > I like to grab the one >disk/GPS/nuclear weapon/dog training device/webcam that works, because >it's generally high qwaliddy, use it, go to bed. Oh, so you mean 'virtual shagging with yer radioactive iCam' .. gotcha! <wink> >I can't be doing with all this messing about comparing fifty different >Firewire PCI cards to find one that works so I can capture my HDV >footage, I'd rather simply plug in my camera, grab the footage and be >done. Hmm, I'm not sure that's a particularly good or well timed example Peter .. reading how the iCam doesn't always play well with some stuff and all the other McFW related problems (and all the other problems that inter-space the inner_circle_crap_chat on this group) I read here. >But I'm not a tinkerer any more. I've done all that, now I'm old and >stupid I just want the damn thing to do what I want it to do. Yep, me too, and why I build them because *I* can still make them do that <g>. For addons, buy product, plug it in, sometimes run (supplied) CD, enjoy. You know how difficult it is getting any sense out of some on here ... when you need to find out what else you have to download re various other bits of free/share/buyware to do the same thing, nearly as well and after having to type loads of Latin into it (and I've learned all about Latin here recently so know it's true). > I sure as >hell don't want to assemble it first. Meh, everyone to their own eh. I don't suppose you'd want to build your own car or boat either Peter, but if you have the money I guess you can squander it on whatever shiny thing takes yer fancy or buy whatever ready made solution is in stock at the time? When you build you get something 'special', something you really want, something that might not be available off_the_shelf. > Nor do I care if some tacky little >USB webcam doesn't work, since I've got a webcam built-in. Hmm, no such luxuries in any of our desktop PC's or the Mini I'm afraid. Though it's easy to get one on the PC's .. you just grab any one PCW, Argos, Maplin, Homebase, Petrol Station, take it home and it works. The Mini took us a few weeks longer ... (then). >If it don't work with my Mac, it ain't worth rat leather. Well, I guess a Mac is fine for you as it saves on Tipex and ribbons Pete. ;-) All the best .. T i m > (and I like shagging more than most). Everybody thinks that. I'm better at shagging than most. Well, everyone really. And driving, too. I drive really fast, and like a complete fuckwit, but I'm perfectly safe because I have such leet driving skills, and I'm made of invulneribilium. > But I'm married so > I'm back to sleeping (and w.nking) on my own Shame. I guess there is some reason that the "I'm married so I never get laid" stereotype evolved. I'm one of the apparently lucky "I'm married and we've been together decades, so I get it exactly how I like it" ones. > (I'm too ugly to get lucky and have no money to pay for it). :-( My wife and I used to each think the other was "kinda funny looking", but now I think she's beautiful. She *still* thinks I'm "kinda funny looking", but that doesn't seem to get in the way. SignaturePd > > (I'm too ugly to get lucky and have no money to pay for it). :-( > > My wife and I used to each think the other was "kinda funny looking", > but now I think she's beautiful. She *still* thinks I'm "kinda funny > looking", but that doesn't seem to get in the way. Which is good, as you could hardly trust anything she said if she said otherwise. SignatureWoody www.alienrat.com >> (and I like shagging more than most). > >Everybody thinks that. You have asked *everybody*? > I'm better at shagging than most. Nice to know ... > Well, everyone >really. I can't *remember* you shagging me .. (was I drunk?). > And driving, too. I drive really fast, and like a complete >fuckwit, but I'm perfectly safe because I have such leet driving skills, >and I'm made of invulneribilium. That's lucky then. >> But I'm married so >> I'm back to sleeping (and w.nking) on my own > >Shame. I guess there is some reason that the "I'm married so I never get >laid" stereotype evolved. Stereotype? > I'm one of the apparently lucky "I'm married >and we've been together decades, so I get it exactly how I like it" >ones. So slowly and with help of tablets and Matron? >> (I'm too ugly to get lucky and have no money to pay for it). :-( > >My wife and I used to each think the other was "kinda funny looking", >but now I think she's beautiful. I think the same of mine but now only after 5 cans of Special Brew (it was only 1 at the beginning). >She *still* thinks I'm "kinda funny >looking", but that doesn't seem to get in the way. Awww, how sweet. Mine still makes me wear the bag ... I don't like the bag ... it's dark .. :-( Anyway, we should pack talking all this bolloks up before I get my invite to the inner circle ..... All the best .. T i m > > But I'm married so > > I'm back to sleeping (and w.nking) on my own [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > and we've been together decades, so I get it exactly how I like it" > ones. TMI, the both of you. -z- Signature"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge." - Charles Darwin > > > But I'm married so > > > I'm back to sleeping (and w.nking) on my own [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > TMI, the both of you. He started it. SignaturePd >> > > But I'm married so >> > > I'm back to sleeping (and w.nking) on my own [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >He started it. I did! Well, except for the nonsense stuff .. those were your Inner Circle tendencies coming through Peter. You will be pleased to hear that particularly bizarre complaint can now be treated by electro-shock therapy. All the breast .. T i m >> I though someone here may have sorted an 'unofficial get round though? > >First google search I tried: > >http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=road+angel+mac There's a clever boy. >...turned this up as the second hit: > >http://www.roadangel.co.uk/support/navigator7000/installationMAC.html And your point? >The link you posted was the fourth hit, but it was worth scrolling down >as it did have the advantage that you could use it to point out how >useless Macs are. That was how you chose to read that was it .. me pointing out how useless (all) Macs are? What I actually said was for this particular use the Mac was not compatible with his device (and therefore useless) yes. "While I was there I connected his camera and phone (neither seemed to work for him or sonny Jim on the Mac (only came with Widows software) but may well have been doable). So, is there any way of interfacing the Road Angel on the Mac do we know please (other than a Win VM etc)? I was thinking maybe Leper might do summat Tiger couldn't?" I asked nicely, I said please, I was willing to be given an alternative solution. http://www.roadangel.co.uk/support/roadangelplus/downloads.html You could have asked which model eh, had you actually really wanted to be useful for a change? But no, you jump to the wrong conclusion (again) then get all yer little cronie David Kennedy all excited and on yer bandwagon and for what, just to make fools of yourselves. You and he are still pathetic and continue to reinforce what I see as the rotten side of Apple. Luckily there are enough normal here people to sway the balance. All the best .. T i m > >> I though someone here may have sorted an 'unofficial get round though? > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > There's a clever boy. Thankyou, I worked hard at that one. > >...turned this up as the second hit: > > > >http://www.roadangel.co.uk/support/navigator7000/installationMAC.html > > And your point? My point being that you could try to find out the answer for yourself before asking here. There are times when what you post appears to be a problem that can be fixed by yourself, but if you were either lazy or wanted to do a touch of trolling, you could post here instead. > >The link you posted was the fourth hit, but it was worth scrolling down > >as it did have the advantage that you could use it to point out how > >useless Macs are. > > That was how you chose to read that was it .. me pointing out how > useless (all) Macs are? Nope. Try reading that again. > What I actually said was for this particular use the Mac was not > compatible with his device (and therefore useless) yes. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I asked nicely, Compare and contrast your post with my edited version. One of them is asking nicely, the other is 80% troll. Either you know it but are too tragic to admit it, or you are honestly too stupid to see the difference. > http://www.roadangel.co.uk/support/roadangelplus/downloads.html What has that got to do with anything? > You could have asked which model eh, had you actually really wanted > to be useful for a change? Who said I wanted to be useful? sh.ts and giggles. If it's really that obvious that the different models behave differently, then wouldn't it have been more useful to have actually mentioned that at the beginning? Or were you distracted because you were concentrating on perfecting what you believed to be the perfect 'deniable' troll? > But no, you jump to the wrong conclusion (again) then get all yer > little cronie David Kennedy all excited and on yer bandwagon and for > what, just to make fools of yourselves. If you think David Kennedy is my 'cronie' (sic) then you've obviously missed some of the heated discussions we've had. But maybe they bored you, since they did not contain non-sequitors, subject-dodging, misreadings, and astonishing displays of logical fallacy. The difference between my discussions with David and mine with you is that, while I disagree *strongly* with him on some points, I respect him and his opinion because he is able to back up his beliefs with well-thought-out arguments. Believe it or not, I don't actually disagree very much with your beliefs (many of them I agree with) but you probably miss that due to your poor discussion skills. And it's there that I take umbrage - and I'm not the only one. Reading how many others here respond to you, it seems obvious that people are not disagreeing with your beliefs so much as the way you present them. Here's an example; there is a difference between you saying that you have no problems with your Windows PCs and saying that Windows PCs do not have problems. Can you see that difference? Because, very often, when people describe the various problems with Windows, you will respond describing - in detail - that your setup is problem free. Can you spot the non sequitor there? Because if not, I'm afraid you just don't fit in here. You also seem to have difficulties understanding that just because you don't see a problem doesn't mean that the problem doesn't exist. That's poor logic, and makes for a poor conversationalist. > You and he are still pathetic What makes us pathetic? Other than wasting our time with someone who, it seems, cannot grasp logic. > and continue to reinforce what I see as the rotten side of Apple. This has nothing to do with Apple. > Luckily there are enough normal here people to sway the balance. Yes, yes, you keep trotting that one out. Do you realise how it sounds? I think I was about twelve when that kind of talk last held any sway. Put it this way, T i m; I'd love to have a sensible, adult debate with you over the issues we disagree on. Honestly. I think that given our vastly different viewpoints that would make for a very interesting conversation. But there seems no chance of that when you consistently miss the point of what people here say (and that's "people", T i m, not "zoara"). Sometimes I wonder what you think people are trying to say, because your responses often display an astonishing lack of understanding. Whether it's wilful or not, I am still undecided. And that, my friend, is enough of that. -z- Signature"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge." - Charles Darwin >> >> I though someone here may have sorted an 'unofficial get round though? >> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Thankyou, I worked hard at that one. Ok, as I'm not busy ... >> >...turned this up as the second hit: >> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >problem that can be fixed by yourself, but if you were either lazy or >wanted to do a touch of trolling, you could post here instead. That's how it appears to you does it. >> >The link you posted was the fourth hit, but it was worth scrolling down >> >as it did have the advantage that you could use it to point out how [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Nope. Try reading that again. I did, reads the same (otherwise what are you winging about)? >> What I actually said was for this particular use the Mac was not >> compatible with his device (and therefore useless) yes. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Compare and contrast your post with my edited version. I did, pointless. >One of them is >asking nicely, the other is 80% troll. Ok .. if you say so ... >Either you know it but are too >tragic to admit it, or you are honestly too stupid to see the >difference. Yes, there are more than one way of presenting a point or asking a question. It's me Andy, you know that, I post with my real name and valid email address, you know that and me for quite a while yes still seem to forget what I'm like and seem surprised by it? >> http://www.roadangel.co.uk/support/roadangelplus/downloads.html > >What has that got to do with anything? That's the download page for the device I was talking about. >> You could have asked which model eh, had you actually really wanted >> to be useful for a change? > >Who said I wanted to be useful? sh.ts and giggles. Well true, good point .. >If it's really that obvious that the different models behave >differently, then wouldn't it have been more useful to have actually >mentioned that at the beginning? Yes, my oversight. Again, some people were able to offer a polite reply, in spite of knowing I can't help myself? > Or were you distracted because you were >concentrating on perfecting what you believed to be the perfect >'deniable' troll? Nope, I didn't think some models might be covered because what I had read re that specific model and the results from the Google search that seemed to agree that 'it' wasn't supported. My genuine question was was there an unofficial get round (as has often been the case when I and others have asked similar here). >> But no, you jump to the wrong conclusion (again) then get all yer >> little cronie David Kennedy all excited and on yer bandwagon and for >> what, just to make fools of yourselves. > >If you think David Kennedy is my 'cronie' (sic) then you've obviously >missed some of the heated discussions we've had. Obviously. >But maybe they bored >you, since they did not contain non-sequitors, subject-dodging, >misreadings, and astonishing displays of logical fallacy. That was probably why, yes. >The difference between my discussions with David and mine with you is >that, while I disagree *strongly* with him on some points, I respect him >and his opinion because he is able to back up his beliefs with >well-thought-out arguments. That's good then. > Believe it or not, I don't actually disagree >very much with your beliefs (many of them I agree with) but you probably >miss that due to your poor discussion skills. You have repeated your observations regarding my lack of logical debating skills on many an occasion yet you repeatedly forget you have said so? > And it's there that I take >umbrage - and I'm not the only one. Reading how many others here respond >to you, it seems obvious that people are not disagreeing with your >beliefs so much as the way you present them. So sue me. >Here's an example; there is a difference between you saying that you >have no problems with your Windows PCs and saying that Windows PCs do >not have problems. Can you see that difference? Because, very often, >when people describe the various problems with Windows, you will respond >describing - in detail - that your setup is problem free. Can you spot >the non sequitor there? Yes, but there is often also the suggestion (or statements as per the reply I first made to James) that ALL windows PC's suffer so (and we probably would even realise it etc). If just mine doesn't then you can't make that claim. > Because if not, I'm afraid you just don't fit in >here. Oh no! >You also seem to have difficulties understanding that just because >you don't see a problem doesn't mean that the problem doesn't exist. And do you really think that I don't fit in here makes me feel bad! >That's poor logic, and makes for a poor conversationalist. Yes and? >> You and he are still pathetic > >What makes us pathetic? Other than wasting our time with someone who, it >seems, cannot grasp logic. Yep. And all the high fiveing you do with all the other weaklings. >> and continue to reinforce what I see as the rotten side of Apple. > >This has nothing to do with Apple. Is it not ... >> Luckily there are enough normal here people to sway the balance. > >Yes, yes, you keep trotting that one out. Do you realise how it sounds? Do you think I give a damn how it sounds, especially to you or the inner circle? >I think I was about twelve when that kind of talk last held any sway. "I'm afraid you just don't fit in here". Oh, can't I be in your gang Andy? :-( >Put it this way, T i m; I'd love to have a sensible, adult debate with >you over the issues we disagree on. Honestly. I think that given our >vastly different viewpoints that would make for a very interesting >conversation. <sigh> Yes, so you have said over and over .. but you can't, as I can't, just as a Leper can't change it's spots ... >But there seems no chance of that when you consistently >miss the point of what people here say (and that's "people", T i m, not >"zoara"). Fine, then do the other thing and leave me alone (please). >Sometimes I wonder what you think people are trying to say, because your >responses often display an astonishing lack of understanding. Whether >it's wilful or not, I am still undecided. What like the reply that *you* misunderstood regarding your Spam filters? Me "Oh dear oh dear. So billions of people all round the world are suffering this on a daily basis are they?" (and remember this was a fun conversation primarily between James and I) ... You "My spamfilter seems to imply that, yes." (< I fully understood your reply) Me "Free Mac's for everyone, Hurrah!" (< My 'joke' to you was that someone should then issue 'free Macs' to all the Windows users (presumably, you Mac users are already ok) to overcome this problem? Nothing heavy or serious, I'm only simple remember. >And that, my friend, is enough of that. But it won't be will it Andy? You will insist on replying to me in spite of me not replying to you. If not to this / now but all too soon enough? All the best .. T i m zoara <me18@privacy.net>: [...] > non-sequitors I have no interest in this discussion whatsoever (T i m has been in my kill-file for quite some time), but I would like to point out that this should be `non sequiturs'. `non sequitur' comes from the Latin deponent verb `sequor', and thus means `it does not follow'. A deponent verb is one which is passive in form (and thus has the -ur suffix) but active in meaning. The plural, in English, is correct with an `s'; a plural in Latin is of course impossible since the phrase is not a noun which can be conveniently pluralised, but if you wanted to confuse your readers, you could change it to be `they do not follow', which is `non sequiuntur'. I only mention this because I think I've noticed you spell it incorrectly before, and you strike me as the sort of person who would be grateful for the correction. b. Signature<bas@bas.me.uk> <URL:http://bas.me.uk/> `The Americans advise matching socks to your pants, the Italians seem to contrast with both shoes and pants. The English, always the eccentrics, wear maroon socks with everything!' -- thesartorialist.blogspot.com > I only mention this because I think I've noticed you spell it incorrectly > before, and you strike me as the sort of person who would be grateful > for the correction. These days I'm grateful for anything I can get... SignatureDavid Kennedy http://www.anindianinexile.com > zoara <me18@privacy.net>: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > my kill-file for quite some time), but I would like to point out that > this should be `non sequiturs'. Gah! That one always gets me. > `non sequitur' comes from the Latin > deponent verb `sequor', and thus means `it does not follow'. A deponent [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > your readers, you could change it to be `they do not follow', which is > `non sequiuntur'. Oooh, my Latin lesson for the day. I'll try to remember that one. > I only mention this because I think I've noticed you spell it incorrectly > before, and you strike me as the sort of person who would be grateful > for the correction. I certainly am grateful. I do know the correct spelling, but always seem to get it wrong regardless. I don't know why, because I pronounce it in a way that would be better spelled "ur" that 'or'. Brains are funny things. -z- Signature"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge." - Charles Darwin zoara <me18@privacy.net>: >> zoara <me18@privacy.net>: >> >> [...] >> >> > non-sequitors [...] >> I only mention this because I think I've noticed you spell it incorrectly >> before, and you strike me as the sort of person who would be grateful >> for the correction. > > I certainly am grateful. Hurrah. > I do know the correct spelling, but always seem to get it wrong > regardless. I don't know why, because I pronounce it in a way that would > be better spelled "ur" that 'or'. Brains are funny things. I suppose it might just be that -er and -or are much more common endings for English words, so you subconsciously write/type `or' instead of `ur', even though your brain knows better. b. Signature<bas@bas.me.uk> <URL:http://bas.me.uk/> `Mother died today. Or maybe yesterday, I don't know.' -- Albert Camus, _L'Etranger_ Just out of curiosity (and wanting to tease) I thought I'd act as editor on T i m's post and give the same question without the bits intended to wind us Maccie's up. Here it is: ------- Hi All, <deletia> Is there any way of interfacing the Road Angel on the Mac do we know please (other than a Win VM etc)? I was thinking maybe <edit> Leopard </edit> might do summat Tiger couldn't? On the Road Angel FAQs they say <edit> it is not compatible with Macs </edit> <deletia> I did think of trying the EW-7318Ug Edimax USB WiFi dongle I'd installed on the PC on the Mac, as it looked like there were OSX drivers for it on the site <edit> but I didn't want to try them without asking here first </edit> Anyone used a EW-7318Ug under OSX please? -------- That's nine lines of text, versus forty five. So that makes the post 20% actual question and 80% windup. Jolly good show, old chap! -zoara- Signature"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge." - Charles Darwin > That's nine lines of text, versus forty five. So that makes the post 20% > actual question and 80% windup. Jolly good show, old chap! Having killfiled the fool some time ago I only ever see the replies now. Life's too short for him and the other nutters. SignatureDavid Kennedy http://www.anindianinexile.com David Kennedy <davidkennedy@nospamtodaythanksverymuchforthekindofferyoubastard.invalid > wrote: > > That's nine lines of text, versus forty five. So that makes the post 20% > > actual question and 80% windup. Jolly good show, old chap! > > Having killfiled the fool some time ago I only ever see the replies now. > Life's too short for him and the other nutters. I had him in a temporary killfile. Whenever those killfiles expire, I always leave them for a bit to see if things have changed. At the moment, T i m is proving entertaining, but when he starts to irritate then the shields go back up. -zoara- Signature"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge." - Charles Darwin >Just out of curiosity (and wanting to tease) I thought I'd act as editor >on T i m's post and give the same question without the bits intended to >wind us Maccie's up. Here it is: Ok, is this obsession you have with me just plain love (just to let you know I'm otherwise dedicated to a WOMAN Andy), or is it your self declared hate filled past that has left you all screwed up and compels you to talk to / about me? Why do you also feel compelled to intervene here when others choose to talk to those you have put in one of yer Vulcan ('logical analytical mind', just in case you get whooshed by another of my replies) pidgin holes? They are all grown up's and didn't request nor require your interference Andy? *I* have managed to resist replying to your posts and similarly not included any reference to you and I would be very grateful if you would also do the same. All the best .. T i m > >Just out of curiosity (and wanting to tease) I thought I'd act as editor > >on T i m's post and give the same question without the bits intended to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > declared hate filled past that has left you all screwed up and compels > you to talk to / about me? Nah, I just find you funny at the moment. Don't worry, it won't last long. > Why do you also feel compelled to intervene here when others choose to > talk to those you have put in one of yer Vulcan ('logical analytical > mind', just in case you get whooshed by another of my replies) pidgin > holes? They are all grown up's and didn't request nor require your > interference Andy? I feel compelled because I find it funny. You accuse me of being 'too logical', which is quite amusing because your posts are anything but logical. Your dashing non-sequitors are wonders to behold, your constant dodging the issue (usually by raising tangential issues) is astounding, and your belief that because you don't see it, it doesn't happen is a chuckle a minute. At least, it is today. Tomorrow it will grate, and that's when I stop bothering. Debate is really enjoyable, assuming you are in a group of people with a good grasp on how to debate effectively. This group is a shining example of that in a sea of usenet morass, which is why I enjoy posting here. But debating with people who have poor debating skills is like trying to strike up a conversation with Alice or Eliza; briefly entertaining but ultimately hollow and unsatisfying. > *I* have managed to resist replying to your posts and similarly not > included any reference to you and I would be very grateful if you > would also do the same. What's that phrase you kept trotting out when we went through that big phase of arguing? Something about killfiles? I always thought it was a strange thing to do, to advise someone to killfile you, so it's not something I'd actually do. But maybe there's something in it. -zoara- Signature"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge." - Charles Darwin > Hi All, Watcha mate. You see, the sensible person with a Mac doesn't buy a RoadAngel after reading their web site. He buys a TomTom or some other device that does work with his Mac. And that applies to any other device. If it has to be a RoadAngel then I'm afraid he's stuck with Windows. It comes back to my comment of the other day, which you agreed with. Most PC users are feckin' idiots. End of story. Signatureto email me please go here http://www.dream-weaver.com/email.html iChat AV datasmog7 >> Hi All, > >Watcha mate. Dude .. >You see, the sensible person with a Mac doesn't buy a RoadAngel after >reading their web site. Agreed. > He buys a TomTom or some other device that does >work with his Mac. Do TomTom do fully interactive and easily updatable dedicated speed camera devices now [1] then? In any case I think he's happy with the SatNav that comes with the Aston and may not to want to put any Micky Mouse system in there instead (and I think her Lexus has a good system built in as well). ;-) >And that applies to any other device. So if it's not Mac compatible we don't buy it is that it? (RAOTFL!). I don't mean that to be disrespectful of course, it just seems a very backward approach. Like I need an estate car, Aston don't make one so buy a saloon and trailer instead? >If it has to be a RoadAngel then I'm afraid he's stuck with Windows. Well, he's not a 'computer user' so Windows (now I've fixed what the McEngineer apparently couldn't) seems fine for him and at least he can do what he want's on it. So in that respect it's less broken than a Mac would be for him? >It comes back to my comment of the other day, which you agreed with. >Most PC users are feckin' idiots. When it come to having an interest in protecting their systems, agreed, yes. >End of story. And a happy ending it is too. ;-) He can now use all his gadgets (and any he buys in the future without having to check the spec), check his mail, chat to me easily on MSN, use any WiFi hardware and not have to go trawling the web to try to find solutions when something doesn't 'just work' on 'his home computer'. I can help him easier than I could if it were a Mac (just because etc). More importantly he can use some perfectly good PC hardware that he had previously been told was no good (and had been under the bed for a year). :-( And his son is happy with the Mac (luckily), mainly using it as a web terminal and music dump for his iPod. I think he specifically likes the Mac designer / lifestyle 'thing' (wears 'designer' clothes, drives a BMW Mini) but hasn't as yet replaced his Nokia with the iPhone he got for Xmas (apparently it's still in the box)? Maybe style over function has it's limits! ;-) All the best Ray .. T i m [1] I believe the order was Aston, Road Angel, Mac. So in this case it was 'no sensible person with a Road Angel would buy a Mac'. And it wasn't his choice (unlike the other items), it was sold to him by someone who obviously didn't have a solution to his problem or his best interests at heart. > > He buys a TomTom or some other device that does > >work with his Mac. > > Do TomTom do fully interactive and easily updatable dedicated speed > camera devices now [1] then? Better; they do fully interactive and easily updatable speed camera devices. -z- Signature"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge." - Charles Darwin >"On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:00:39 +0000, me18@privacy.net (zoara) wrote: >At least, it is today. Tomorrow it will grate, and >that's when I stop bothering." Now that was Friday, today is Sunday, your promises are empty. All the best .. T i m > >"On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:00:39 +0000, me18@privacy.net (zoara) wrote: > > >At least, it is today. Tomorrow it will grate, and > >that's when I stop bothering." > > Now that was Friday, today is Sunday, your promises are empty. Either you're unaware of the metaphor, or you're just being silly. -z- Signature"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge." - Charles Darwin > >You see, the sensible person with a Mac doesn't buy a RoadAngel after > >reading their web site. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Mouse system in there instead (and I think her Lexus has a good system > built in as well). ;-) Gosh. I'm impressed at the quality of your aquaintances. > >And that applies to any other device. > > So if it's not Mac compatible we don't buy it is that it? Well if you want it to work with your computer I'd say that was a given, wouldn't you? >(RAOTFL!). I > don't mean that to be disrespectful of course, it just seems a very > backward approach. Like I need an estate car, Aston don't make one so > buy a saloon and trailer instead? Er, that's a rather odd example but... No, buy another make of estate car -and- an Aston. That's bloody obvious. Signatureto email me please go here http://www.dream-weaver.com/email.html iChat AV datasmog7 > > Do TomTom do fully interactive and easily updatable dedicated speed > > camera devices now [1] then? In any case I think he's happy with the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Gosh. I'm impressed at the quality of your aquaintances. That's just Tim miss-spelling Austin. SignaturePd >> > Do TomTom do fully interactive and easily updatable dedicated speed >> > camera devices now [1] then? In any case I think he's happy with the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >That's just Tim miss-spelling Austin. Oh yes (sorry guys) did I type Aston Martin when I should have typed Austin Marina? (Oh, I think I also typed Lexus when of course I should have typed Lada) Doh! Another acquaintance sold his Bentley Continental and bought a cheaper top_of_the_line Merc because the Bently was having a negative impact on his business. :-( All the best .. T i m > > > Do TomTom do fully interactive and easily updatable dedicated speed > > > camera devices now [1] then? In any case I think he's happy with the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > That's just Tim miss-spelling Austin. Ah, right, makes sense, they're using an old fashioned operating system after all. Signatureto email me please go here http://www.dream-weaver.com/email.html iChat AV datasmog7 >> > > Do TomTom do fully interactive and easily updatable dedicated speed >> > > camera devices now [1] then? In any case I think he's happy with the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Ah, right, makes sense, they're using an old fashioned operating system >after all. Bloody right! And my heart sinks every time the phone rings and I hear someone say "Ere Tim, what do you know about Vista?" I reply that I know enough about it to know I don't want nor need it. Yep another reason why I build my own machines, I choose the OS and don't get any shovelware. All the best .. T i m p.s. I was very late adopting XP, 98SE was fine and fast for me. > >> > > Do TomTom do fully interactive and easily updatable dedicated speed > >> > > camera devices now [1] then? In any case I think he's happy with the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > And my heart sinks every time the phone rings and I hear someone say > "Ere Tim, what do you know about Vista?" Hmm, I got a phone call the other day from a client who asked me to help him set up his email. I get this a lot and every time I groan inwardly. However he then announced he had a new iMac. And he's been Windows for years. I asked why he'd suddenly moved to a Mac. "I got fed up with people telling what I couldn't do" he said. He elaborated by telling me that a lot of his contacts, in the education sector, were big Mac fans, and he listened. He also listened to the local Windows centric computer dealer telling him that doing some of the things he wanted to do would be difficult. Then he walked into the Apple store and a very nice young man sat him down and answered all his questions. Showed him how to do all the things he wanted to do. Plugged his camera in and displayed all his photos, something that just did not work on his Windows machine without some arcane bit of software. Showed him live TV on screen and in a window with a little USB gizmo, again something the local PC shop said "would be difficult". He walked out with a new iMac. And he's absolutely over the moon at how simple and easy it is to use. He actually said to me "I plugged it in and it just worked.". Another convert. Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated. Ah sorry, that's the Microsoft mantra innit. Signatureto email me please go here http://www.dream-weaver.com/email.html iChat AV datasmog7 >> And my heart sinks every time the phone rings and I hear someone say >> "Ere Tim, what do you know about Vista?" > >Hmm, I got a phone call the other day from a client who asked me to help >him set up his email. I get this a lot and every time I groan inwardly. I got a call from a mates Dad last night. I can get my emails but not Google. He's on a Mac and I really can't be bothered (not just because of that but he's gone all religious etc ..) :-( His Mac loving son can help him from NZ ... >However he then announced he had a new iMac. >And he's been Windows for years. >I asked why he'd suddenly moved to a Mac. Ok .. >"I got fed up with people telling what I couldn't do" he said. >He elaborated by telling me that a lot of his contacts, in the education >sector, were big Mac fans, and he listened. Ok. Well, Educational places do have them I know. Our training centre (Novell, Msoft, Lotus etc) had 120 student PC's and 1 mac just for 'Show and tell'. Our daughters school had all PC's and her College had PC's over the campus in general and Macs in the 'design' block. >He also listened to the local Windows centric computer dealer telling >him that doing some of the things he wanted to do would be difficult. Ok ...? >Then he walked into the Apple store and a very nice young man sat him >down and answered all his questions. Showed him how to do all the things >he wanted to do. Plugged his camera in and displayed all his photos, >something that just did not work on his Windows machine without some >arcane bit of software. Eh? A mass storage device is a mass storage device isn't it? >Showed him live TV on screen and in a window >with a little USB gizmo, again something the local PC shop said "would >be difficult". Strange shop. All the PC's here have DTV tuners in, I have USB versions for the Laptops and the eglat//// Haupage USB works in the Mini when bootcamped into XP ok (and we know that is nearly a PC anyway now, with it's Intel CPU etc). >He walked out with a new iMac. And he's absolutely over the moon at how >simple and easy it is to use. Horses for courses Ray. >He actually said to me "I plugged it in and it just worked.". As a typewriter yes, not sure how happy he would be if he just happened to have a Road Angel Pus, an earlier Garmin (especially serial), my RC simulator TX, and 'anyold' USB webcam? >Another convert. >Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated. >Ah sorry, that's the Microsoft mantra innit. Correct, MS don't care as they have most people anyway. No, Apple has it's place with it's niche market and good luck to them. I think their biggest competitor will be a Linux that is easy and works .. (and that's getting closer every day). All the best .. T i m > >Then he walked into the Apple store and a very nice young man sat him > >down and answered all his questions. Showed him how to do all the things [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Eh? A mass storage device is a mass storage device isn't it? Not all cameras appear as mass storage devices. My fuji cameras are, the canon ones dont tend to be. Unless you take the memory card out, which I do (or used to) on the canon, but not the fuji. > >Showed him live TV on screen and in a window > >with a little USB gizmo, again something the local PC shop said "would [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Mini when bootcamped into XP ok (and we know that is nearly a PC > anyway now, with it's Intel CPU etc). I think you misread what he said. The local PC shop said it would be dificult to show live TV on a mac. Which it isn't. SignatureWoody www.alienrat.com > > >Then he walked into the Apple store and a very nice young man sat him > > >down and answered all his questions. Showed him how to do all the things [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > I think you misread what he said. The local PC shop said it would be > dificult to show live TV on a mac. Which it isn't. Actually the local PC shop told him it would be difficult to show live TV on any computer. Which it isn't, and doesn't say much for the local PC shop. They told him much of what he wanted to do would not be possible on a Mac and difficult on a Windows PC. And this local PC shop, because it's been there a number of years, maintains a large percentage of the local business PC's. Bit worrying is that. Signatureto email me please go here http://www.dream-weaver.com/email.html iChat AV datasmog7 >Actually the local PC shop told him it would be difficult to show live >TV on any computer. Which it isn't, and doesn't say much for the local >PC shop. Indeed and indeed. It isn't always easy to get a decent DTV picture, especially when using the little aerials as supplied but that's not the fault of the computers. >They told him much of what he wanted to do would not be possible on a >Mac and difficult on a Windows PC. Weird ... >And this local PC shop, because it's been there a number of years, >maintains a large percentage of the local business PC's. Ah and I wonder if that may be part of the 'problem' Ray? Someone who mainly deals with 'business machines' may not know much about gaming and multimedia systems. However you would think they would know enough about all of it not to give crap advice like that! >Bit worrying is that. It is. Similarly with my mates PC shop. He mainly deals with 'home PC's and generally builds to the customers requirements (if they know what they want in the fist place of course). The reason he builds even though in some cases it's more expensive (to him and the customer) is then he can cover any component quickly should it fail, rather than relying on the quality (or lack of) response of any other party. If someone went in looking for a business system, servers etc he would first find out how much support they would expect and if they needed loads then he would point them to a more appropriate local supplier. He might just give them a quote for the workstations. Sfunny eh, it was having to buy (rather than build) the Mini put me on edge, knowing that if it did go wrong I would have to rely on someone else to fix it. :-( All the best .. T i m > Road Angel Pus Aha, now we know why it's only Windows-compatible. -z- Signature"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge." - Charles Darwin >> Do TomTom do fully interactive and easily updatable dedicated speed >> camera devices now [1] then? In any case I think he's happy with the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Gosh. I'm impressed at the quality of your aquaintances. Oh, and the house ... ! >> So if it's not Mac compatible we don't buy it is that it? > >Well if you want it to work with your computer I'd say that was a given, >wouldn't you? Yep. So I can never buy a Mac for myself .. <big sigh> >>(RAOTFL!). I >> don't mean that to be disrespectful of course, it just seems a very [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >No, buy another make of estate car -and- an Aston. >That's bloody obvious. Oh yes, another 'Mac' solution .. spend twice the money ..! ;-) All the best .. T i m |
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