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Martin S Taylor - 31 Jan 2008 09:53 GMT
A friend insists on using Entourage for mail, and he's run into an odd
problem: it won't send any mail with an attachment. Any mail with an
attachment just sits there in the out box, and eventually times out. Mail
with no attachments is sent fine.

Any thoughts from those who use Entourage?

MST
Jaimie Vandenbergh - 31 Jan 2008 10:16 GMT
>A friend insists on using Entourage for mail, and he's run into an odd
>problem: it won't send any mail with an attachment. Any mail with an
>attachment just sits there in the out box, and eventually times out. Mail
>with no attachments is sent fine.
>
>Any thoughts from those who use Entourage?

Can the same mailserver handle the same attachments from another
client, over the same protocol (SMTP/IMAP/Exchange)? Which protocol is
he using? Which version of Entourage, come to that?

Entourage 2008 has a not very good Progress panel (cmd-7 or the
Windows menu) which may help. I've forgotten if the 2004 version has
already...

    Cheers - Jaimie
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Martin S Taylor - 31 Jan 2008 10:19 GMT
> Can the same mailserver handle the same attachments from another
> client, over the same protocol (SMTP/IMAP/Exchange)? Which protocol is
> he using?

Good question. He's using SMTP. Webmail works fine, but that's a different
protocol, isn't it?

Which version of Entourage, come to that?

I'll check when I visit him today. I think it's 2007.

(The problem may have been clouded in that he's just be sold a seriously duff
Mac and I'm currently determining if it's sick with hardware or software
problems. But I'm Mac-savvy enough to be pretty sure the Entourage problem is
unrelated. I'll get back to you.)

MST
Jaimie Vandenbergh - 31 Jan 2008 10:30 GMT
>> Can the same mailserver handle the same attachments from another
>> client, over the same protocol (SMTP/IMAP/Exchange)? Which protocol is
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>problems. But I'm Mac-savvy enough to be pretty sure the Entourage problem is
>unrelated. I'll get back to you.)

It *ought* to be software-only, but stranger things have happened to
network stacks... There aren't any options for SMTP (it's too simple!)
so I'd expect it to be either a networking or a server-side problem.
Small mails go okay, I assume, so what about large body-text-only
emails?

Check there's actually an SMTP connection happening during the
attempted transfer, using the Progress pane and also with `netstat -a
| grep smtp-server-name` in a terminal.

Is it a fresh install of OS+everything, since it's a new machine
(however dodgy)? Out of interest, what are the duffness symptoms?

    Cheers - Jaimie
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Martin S Taylor - 31 Jan 2008 10:45 GMT
> Is it a fresh install of OS+everything, since it's a new machine
> (however dodgy)? Out of interest, what are the duffness symptoms?

It's a
format-the-hard-drive-fresh-install-and-thank-the-Love-I-got-him-to-use-Time-
Machine.

Brief history:

Serious difficulty waking computer from sleep, or when restarting.

Check permissions using Disk Utility; DU hangs.

Try clean install of system. "Unknown Error - Cannot install system on this
disk" and entire disk now hopelessly corrupted.

Today, the plan is to reformat his disk, reinstall system, and then his data
from TM backup - NOT using Migration Assistant!

The guy who sold it to him says the problem is because it's connected to the
mains via an extension cable. A visit to the small claims court may be in the
offing.

MST
Chris Ridd - 31 Jan 2008 10:50 GMT
>> Is it a fresh install of OS+everything, since it's a new machine
>> (however dodgy)? Out of interest, what are the duffness symptoms?
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>
> Check permissions using Disk Utility; DU hangs.

Does anything appear in the logs (Console.app)?

> Try clean install of system. "Unknown Error - Cannot install system on this
> disk" and entire disk now hopelessly corrupted.

IIRC the Installer has an option to format the disk in a menu.

> The guy who sold it to him says the problem is because it's connected to the
> mains via an extension cable. A visit to the small claims court may be in the
> offing.

That's quite a good one!

Cheers,

Chris
Martin S Taylor - 31 Jan 2008 23:10 GMT
> It *ought* to be software-only, but stranger things have happened to
> network stacks... There aren't any options for SMTP (it's too simple!)
> so I'd expect it to be either a networking or a server-side problem.

Sorted. You were right, it was a networking problem. His router was on the
way out, and he'd got a new Netgear (sorry Woody). As soon as I installed
that, all the e-mail problems went away.

Other problems are serious enough to start in a new thread.

MST
Chris Ridd - 31 Jan 2008 10:34 GMT
> Entourage 2008 has a not very good Progress panel (cmd-7 or the
> Windows menu) which may help. I've forgotten if the 2004 version has
> already...

It had a relatively useless one as well.

Cheers,

Chris
Ian Robinson - 31 Jan 2008 10:56 GMT
>> Entourage 2008 has a not very good Progress panel (cmd-7 or the
>> Windows menu) which may help. I've forgotten if the 2004 version has
>> already...
>
> It had a relatively useless one as well.

It tells what is happening at each step of the process, if you have the
disclosure triangle selected to open.

There is also an error log window.

Ian

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Chris Ridd - 31 Jan 2008 11:11 GMT
>>> Entourage 2008 has a not very good Progress panel (cmd-7 or the
>>> Windows menu) which may help. I've forgotten if the 2004 version has
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> It tells what is happening at each step of the process, if you have the
> disclosure triangle selected to open.

It still only tells you what's happening in vague terms. Sometimes
that's not enough.

> There is also an error log window.

I'd forgotten that. IIRC that wasn't much more help :-(

Cheers,

Chris
 
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