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Mac Forum / Country Specific / UK Mac Group / January 2008Beginning to love Aperture - some questions!
I have just started to try out the demo of Aperture and it is beginning to seem like a necessity. I am probably content with the way that iPhoto takes charge of organising images for me - an Aperture seems to offer more ease It handles all the editing that I actually want to do to an image - and much more flexibly and powerfully than iPhoto. This would save me flipping into PS Elements My main question is about how to best to use it if/when I buy it. For the moment I imported my iPhoto library as references. Would I actually want to do this in perpetuity? Would I want to use iPhoto at all in future? There are comments about Aperture working well with iPhoto - but why bother? Are there things which iPhoto does nicely that Aperture doesn't? I use Pages a little - does it look into the Aperture library when browsing media? Reading the above they seem to be naive questions, but I could do with some advice! There is one oddity - iPhoto seems to have handled a .dng originating from a camera not on Aperture's supported RAW list - and produced a jpg preview (all of which was hidden to me in Aperture). Aperture shows the jpg preview, of course, but flags the .dng as unsupported. cheers,  SignatureDave Dave@zizek.demon.co.uk http://www.zizek.demon.co.uk http://www.northendenriversidepark.org.uk/ > I have just started to try out the demo of Aperture and it is beginning > to seem like a necessity. I would wait a couple of days and see if a new version is forthcoming in the next week. Having said that the probability of Apple releasing a new product is increased by people forking-out for the old one :o) > I am probably content with the way that iPhoto takes charge of > organising images for me - an Aperture seems to offer more ease [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Would I actually want to do this in perpetuity? > Would I want to use iPhoto at all in future? I would suggest that you would be better transferring your images to Aperture as masters and then they can be backed-up via vaults. I would suggest that if the images are resident on your hard drive they are better in Aperture and reference images are only really useful for files stored on external media. iPhoto can access your Aperture images via the media browser (see below) and Aperture can do pretty much everything better than iPhoto - the exception being calendars I think. > There are comments about Aperture working well with iPhoto - but why > bother? > Are there things which iPhoto does nicely that Aperture doesn't? > > I use Pages a little - does it look into the Aperture library when > browsing media? Yes. The iWork suite can use the media browser directly but remember that what it pulls in to files are *previews* and not the images. You need to make sure that these are set to generate an image with good enough quality for the intended purpose. The plus is that you can set previews on a project-by-project basis. You can also access Aperture files via any standard file open dialogue by scrolling down to the bottom of the sidebar. This is handy for inserting images into other applications such as Word etc. without the need to export a version from Aperture. > Reading the above they seem to be naive questions, but I could do with > some advice! There are no naïve questions just intolerant responses. > There is one oddity - iPhoto seems to have handled a .dng originating > from a camera not on Aperture's supported RAW list - and produced a jpg > preview (all of which was hidden to me in Aperture). Aperture shows the > jpg preview, of course, but flags the .dng as unsupported. iPhoto/Finder can produce previews for unsupported RAW files. I have seen this with images from my Ricoh GRD. I would wait to see whether 10.5.2 brings support for your RAW file format before committing to Aperture if RAW support is critical. Remember it's the OS that brings RAW support and not Aperture, I would expect any update to Aperture will be tied into an update to the OS version. You *may* be able to add support for your camera but if it's possible it does involved low- level hacking of plist files. Hope this helps. -- Cheers, Steve Oh - I knew I had forgotten one thing! > > I have just started to try out the demo of Aperture and it is beginning > > to seem like a necessity. > There are no naïve questions just intolerant responses. Ta! > > There is one oddity - iPhoto seems to have handled a .dng originating > > from a camera not on Aperture's supported RAW list - and produced a jpg [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > add support for your camera but if it's possible it does involved low- > level hacking of plist files. I did attempt a low-level hack of a RAW original using the very expensive TextWrangler! I changed the name of the camera from the originating Samsung to the only supported Samsung on Apple's list. This seemed to work fine although I cannot replicate it after downloading the latest version of TextWrangler which refuses to open the files (it reports some sort of error). I'm not really into hacks - interesting in themselves but a pain as a way of life, though I suppose I could try to learn about Automator and such stuff. cheers, > I have just started to try out the demo of Aperture and it is beginning > to seem like a necessity. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > much more flexibly and powerfully than iPhoto. This would save me > flipping into PS Elements > My main question is about how to best to use it if/when I buy it. > > For the moment I imported my iPhoto library as references. > > Would I actually want to do this in perpetuity? Depends on how little you use iPhoto. I hated iPhoto, so it was a no-brainer to ditch it completely and use Aperture's library > Would I want to use iPhoto at all in future? Opinions vary. Mine was I never wanted to use iPhoto at all. I went straight from GraphicConverter to Aperture. (I still use GC lots, but no longer for managing photos. I still use it to empty my CF cards into my Powerbook when away on trips) > There are comments about Aperture working well with iPhoto - but why > bother? > Are there things which iPhoto does nicely that Aperture doesn't? Dunno. I never gave it a fair chance. > I use Pages a little - does it look into the Aperture library when > browsing media? Oh yes. It is lovely. > Reading the above they seem to be naive questions, but I could do with > some advice! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > preview (all of which was hidden to me in Aperture). Aperture shows the > jpg preview, of course, but flags the .dng as unsupported. That is what it is supposed to do. DNG is a wrapper format, a bit like Quicktime or AVI. The original RAW is hiding inside. Aperture seems to be a bit slow in gaining ability to read camera manufacturer's RAW support as new cameras arrive. If you get files from a lot of different cutting edge cameras, Aperture is not for you. There are rumours circulating that a new version of Aperture is imminent. Keep your wallet in your pocket for a few weeks. SignatureTo de-mung my e-mail address:- fsnospam$elliott$$ PGP Fingerprint: 1A96 3CF7 637F 896B C810 E199 7E5C A9E4 8E59 E248 > In article <Dave-A2E63B.12133929012...@news.demon.co.uk>, Dave > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Depends on how little you use iPhoto. I hated iPhoto That was also my main motivation to switch to Aperture. Up until the current version of iPhoto we never got on and I kept my images on another only using iPhoto as a browser. -- Cheers, Steve > I have just started to try out the demo of Aperture and it is beginning > to seem like a necessity. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > For the moment I imported my iPhoto library as references. I found it's all easier if you let Aperture Manage your images itself. However, referenced images are ideal if you spread your images over different volumes, or even store them on removable media. > Would I actually want to do this in perpetuity? > Would I want to use iPhoto at all in future? It can be handy for some tasks, although they are limited if you don't order the Books etc. > There are comments about Aperture working well with iPhoto - but why > bother? > Are there things which iPhoto does nicely that Aperture doesn't? iPhoto is faster on lower powered machines, and it has much easier ways to quickly adjust a photo. It also has some useful effects tools too. > I use Pages a little - does it look into the Aperture library when > browsing media? Yup, no problem. > Reading the above they seem to be naive questions, but I could do with > some advice! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > preview (all of which was hidden to me in Aperture). Aperture shows the > jpg preview, of course, but flags the .dng as unsupported. Aperture can work with or without JPG previews on RAW if you wish, it applies adjustments as each image is viewed (which is why it needs lots of processor power), or it'll just show the preview if it's available. iPhoto can only work by creating a JPG preview. However, the latest version also uses a nondestructive adjustment method, so the preview is updated as you make each adjustment. You may also find that images from iPhoto initially look much better, more colour saturation and better contrast. This means you'll need to tweak the RAW fine tuning a little to suit your camera (not an option if it's unsupported yet). I'd also suggest a look here: http://www.bagelturf.com/ There's loads of useful stuff, especially about referenced/managed masters. SignatureAndy Hewitt <http://web.mac.com/andrewhewitt1/> I'm having to use google groups to reply as for whatever reason I cannot access news via news.demon. In that case I won't respond to everything! OK - thanks for all the advice. It seems that the sensible thing is to let Aperture manage everything in a similar way to which I have let iPhoto do its stuff for the last couple of years. In other words import my existing images into Aperture and go from there. It is good to know that iWork (and iPhoto it seems) can browse the Aperture library. I'm not sure that I understand Steve's comment about using "any standard file open dialogue by scrolling down to the bottom of the sidebar. This is handy for inserting images into other applications such as Word etc. without the need to export a version from Aperture." I shall have to look and see - I've just had a very quick glance using Word 2004 and it did not make much sense - I'll look again. Usually from iPhoto I've simply gathered together a selection of the images I'm interested in (a project - in the new terminology) and exported them using one means or another (drag and drop?) into a temp folder anyway, so I'm used to that. Thanks for the very sensible suggestion from 2 of you to wait to spend money! Thanks for the help about RAW. It is not something I actually use - but everybody seems to recommend it and my little bit of playing intrigues me. And thanks, Andy, for http://www/bagelturf.com which looks incredibly useful and may save me from having to buy a book! I think that I have covered all the details. Apologies if I have missed anything. So, thanks a lot to Andy, Steve and Elliot (is there only one Steve - it is little unclear on a google news view!). cheers, > I'm not sure that I understand Steve's comment about using "any > standard file open dialogue [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > - I've just had a very quick glance using Word 2004 and it did not > make much sense - I'll look again. Check out the screenshot below: <http://img.skitch.com/20080129-1e1shs6fupadu95ntg18u5wkue.png> This worked in Word 2004 but may be leopard only. Yes, it's the same Steve, forced to use Google Groups at work! SignatureCheers, Steve The reply-to email address is a spam trap. Email steve 'at' shodgson 'dot' org 'dot' uk > > I'm not sure that I understand Steve's comment about using "any > > standard file open dialogue [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > This worked in Word 2004 but may be leopard only. AhHa! Now I understand! I am on leopard but my fingers were too rapidly navigating to the iPhoto and Aperture libraries. I had to look carefully at the screenshot - for which many thanks. > Yes, it's the same Steve, forced to use Google Groups at work! cheers, SignatureDave Dave@zizek.demon.co.uk http://www.zizek.demon.co.uk http://www.northendenriversidepark.org.uk/ >>> I'm not sure that I understand Steve's comment about using "any >>> standard file open dialogue [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > navigating to the iPhoto and Aperture libraries. I had to look carefully > at the screenshot - for which many thanks. I should really have marked it up in Skitch before posting it. SignatureCheers, Steve The reply-to email address is a spam trap. Email steve 'at' shodgson 'dot' org 'dot' uk > My main question is about how to best to use it if/when I buy it. Some word from Apple... <http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1370460&tstart=0> SignatureCheers, Steve The reply-to email address is a spam trap. Email steve 'at' shodgson 'dot' org 'dot' uk > > My main question is about how to best to use it if/when I buy it. > > Some word from Apple... > > <http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1370460&tstart=0> fingers crossed - touching wood - etc I am now dying to buy Aperture! SignatureDave Dave@zizek.demon.co.uk http://www.zizek.demon.co.uk http://www.northendenriversidepark.org.uk/ |
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