> > Does this do what you've been after all these years?
> > http://busymac.com/index.html
> > Found via Daring Fireball.
Thanks, I'll take a look. When is Leonard out? Maybe the 30 day trial
will last till then, and then the poor buggers will be stuffed, with
another bit of software technology overtaken by the all-consuming Apple
juggernaught.
> No just Daniele. Looks brilliant. Published by the same guys who did Now
> Up To Date, which is a pretty good pedigree.
>
> Fifty bucks is quite a lot just to add multi-user to a built-in app
> though.
Fifty bucks isn't as much as it used to be.
Daniele
> > Does this do what you've been after all these years?
> > http://busymac.com/index.html
> > Found via Daring Fireball.
>
> No just Daniele. Looks brilliant.
You're right, it's no just Daniele - I've been after the same thing too,
and have been keeping up with his quest.
> Published by the same guys who did Now
> Up To Date, which is a pretty good pedigree.
Oh, I didn't know that - yes, that does make it more promising.
> Fifty bucks is quite a lot just to add multi-user to a built-in app
> though.
What about if it was, say, £24.50?
It s quite a lot, considering it really should be there to start with,
and it will also be arriving in Leonard. I wonder why they introduced it
now anyway? Seems like an app with a limited lifetime as the majority of
Mac users will upgrade at some point (even if that's just by buying a
new Mac).
Maybe it's going to end up as one of those things where it works a lot
better than the standard Apple fare? It looks quite configurable for
setting the levels of sharing, though I haven't tested it yet.
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Ian Robinson - 29 Sep 2007 21:19 GMT
> It s quite a lot, considering it really should be there to start with,
> and it will also be arriving in Leonard. I wonder why they introduced it
> now anyway? Seems like an app with a limited lifetime as the majority of
> Mac users will upgrade at some point (even if that's just by buying a
> new Mac).
From the Leopard preview web page on iCal:
>> Group calendaring features including attendee availability, group
>> scheduling,
>> and room and equipment reservation are available only for iCal on CalDAV
>> servers such as iCal Server.
BusySync doesn't require a back end server.
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zoara - 29 Sep 2007 23:47 GMT
> > It s quite a lot, considering it really should be there to start with,
> > and it will also be arriving in Leonard. I wonder why they introduced it
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>
> BusySync doesn't require a back end server.
That's odd, I'm convinced that this page used to say that you could
share calendars without the backed thing going on. I'm sure that it was
discussed here, too.
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zoara - 30 Sep 2007 00:19 GMT
> > > It s quite a lot, considering it really should be there to start with,
> > > and it will also be arriving in Leonard. I wonder why they introduced it
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> share calendars without the backed thing going on. I'm sure that it was
> discussed here, too.
Aha. It *has* changed; the orginal wording was ambiguous:
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk.comp.sys.mac/msg/520984232092a326
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zoara - 30 Sep 2007 11:02 GMT
> > It s quite a lot, considering it really should be there to start with,
> > and it will also be arriving in Leonard. I wonder why they introduced it
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>
> BusySync doesn't require a back end server.
Okay, so this is now *three* followups to your post, but what's to stop
you using two Leonard clients and installing this on one of the
machines?
http://www.calendarserver.org
It looks like that *is* the CalDAV server in Leopard Server, just
without any fancy UI that the Leopard version might have.
That seems like a free [1] alternative to BusySync and you also get the
attendee availabilty, group scheduling and room-booking features which
(I suspect) BusySync won't have. Not that they'll me much use in a home
environment (must check if the kitchen is free on Sunday at 3pm...) but
I'm sure someone will find it useful.
-z-
[1] assuming you already have Leopard, f course; buing Leopard costs
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Ian Robinson - 30 Sep 2007 11:17 GMT
> Okay, so this is now *three* followups to your post, but what's to stop
> you using two Leonard clients and installing this on one of the
> machines?
At this point we can only go on the info that is publicly available on
the Leopard web site. For many of the group functions you will need a
CalDav server. Whether this is on an actual server, or a desktop,
probably doesn't matter.
I do think that this is similar to the recent iTMS usage discussion.
many people will use things like BusySync because it'll be easier than
setting up a CalDav server. There will be room for the product after
Leopard ships. Indeed it'll be able to use the improved features of
Leopard Server.
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Ian McCall - 30 Sep 2007 11:21 GMT
> ... what's to stop
> you using two Leonard clients and installing this on one of the
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> It looks like that *is* the CalDAV server in Leopard Server, just
> without any fancy UI that the Leopard version might have.
Sad as it might be, improvements in calendaring are one of the things
I'm looking forward to most about Leopard. I know it's got the least
news as its amongst the least flashy features, but I use iCal heavily
and could do with a decent sharing solution.
Calendar server on the Mini plus our two laptops accessing it seems
like a good thing to me. Presumably there's some way of backing up too
- I'd do something like rsync it to my co-lo box on a cron task.
In combination with Mail's "make it a todo" and "make it a calendar
event", I think I'm going to get quite a bit of use out of these
changes.
Cheers,
Ian
Woody - 30 Sep 2007 11:47 GMT
> > ... what's to stop
> > you using two Leonard clients and installing this on one of the
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> news as its amongst the least flashy features, but I use iCal heavily
> and could do with a decent sharing solution.
Don't think it is that sad. Previous updates needed to fix things that
weren't right with OSX, but it is getting to the stage where things work
well and there are fewer glaring holes.
> Calendar server on the Mini plus our two laptops accessing it seems
> like a good thing to me. Presumably there's some way of backing up too
> - I'd do something like rsync it to my co-lo box on a cron task.
I assume I am out of that licence section. I have a mini, which is just
used as a server, then we have one laptop each and the desktop.
by the nature of the way they are used, the mini is on all the time as a
server, but if the desktop is awake it means (at least) one of the
laptops is asleep. Although I don't care what iCal says on the mini (in
that I can't see it anyway), I guess that would make 4 machines, and
where it is worth $49 to me, it isn't worth $98

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Roger Merriman - 30 Sep 2007 16:30 GMT
> > ... what's to stop
> > you using two Leonard clients and installing this on one of the
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> news as its amongst the least flashy features, but I use iCal heavily
> and could do with a decent sharing solution.
yes us too having a play with the demo but i think we'll wait for
leotard.
after all it is oct tomorrow.
> Calendar server on the Mini plus our two laptops accessing it seems
> like a good thing to me. Presumably there's some way of backing up too
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> event", I think I'm going to get quite a bit of use out of these
> changes.
yup, i having such a poor memory use ical a lot.
> Cheers,
> Ian
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