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Mac Forum / Country Specific / UK Mac Group / September 2007Upgrading to Leopard.
I've just had a thought, & as it doesn't happen often I thought I'd post it: If/when I upgrade to Leopard, am I going to lose all the software, like iLife 08, that came with my new iMac? Will I be able to reinstall it from the restore disks that came with the machine, or I am going to have to buy it (again)? Andy. > I've just had a thought, & as it doesn't happen often I thought I'd post it: > > If/when I upgrade to Leopard, am I going to lose all the software, like > iLife 08, that came with my new iMac? If you upgrade you won't lose anything, it will still be there after the upgrade. > Will I be able to reinstall it from > the restore disks that came with the machine, or I am going to have to buy > it (again)? If you do a reinstall, the original disks contain the applications  SignatureWoody >> Will I be able to reinstall it from >> the restore disks that came with the machine, or I am going to have to buy >> it (again)? > > If you do a reinstall, the original disks contain the applications If you have leopard installed and want to use the tiger restore disks to just get iLife o6 back, you'll be able to do that. Ian SignatureIan Robinson, Belfast, UK <http://www.canicula.com/wp/> > If you have leopard installed and want to use the tiger restore disks > to just get iLife o6 back, you'll be able to do that. > > Ian Thanks for that. I thought that maybe the restore disks for Tiger were tied to that version, but if I can get the iLife apps off those disks when I'm running Leopard then I'm happy I won't have to buy the retail versions. I've been a Mac user for a couple of years now and I should have learned things like this. When I used Windows I'd always wipe and reinstall instead of using the Upgrade option. Cheers. Andy. On Sep 29, 9:26 pm, "Andy Matheson" <A.J.Mathe...@ARR-ELL-DOT-ac.uk> wrote: > > If you have leopard installed and want to use the tiger restore disks > > to just get iLife o6 back, you'll be able to do that. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > of using the Upgrade option. > Cheers. Andy. And some would say (me included, because I'm a bit paranoid and I always feel better starting afresh) that for a major OS upgrade a format and reinstall is the way to go (it's what I'll be doing when the time comes). It gives me an excuse to get the detritus off this box (something I've been 'Meaning To Do' for about a year now...) Sarah > I've just had a thought, & as it doesn't happen often I thought I'd post it: > > If/when I upgrade to Leopard, am I going to lose all the software, No. > like > iLife 08, that came with my new iMac? Will I be able to reinstall There are three ways of installing a new OS. 1 Upgrade Install. You put the new OS disc into the the optical drive and launch the installer. Usually the default method will be an Upgrade Install. You follow the on-screen instructions, and shortly thereafter you have an upgraded OS, with all your settings and software intact. This is the way I have installed new versions of OS X since OS X 10.1. This is the way that Apple recommends you install updates, so long as you're updating from a recent version of the OS; 10.4.x to 10.5 will work, 10.3.x to 10.5 probably won't work, 10.2.x to 10.5 is right out. You do not need to reinstall your applications or your data, as the installer will not touch them. 2 Archive & Install. You put the new OS disc into the optical drive and launch the installer. If you have an older version of the OS on your hard drive, the default will be Archive & Install. If you have a newer version but don't want to just run an Upgrade Install, you can select Archive & Install. The installer will detect basic settings, such as your username and password, and will copy those settings into a new OS install. All of your system software will be new. Your old system software will be moved into a Previous System folder. You may review the contents of that folder, and move out items you need (such as plug-ins or printer drivers) and then Trash the folder. You will need enough free space on your hard drive to hold the new OS, the old OS, and space for the installer to work. You do not need to reinstall your applications or your data, as the installer will not touch them. 3 Erase & Install. This is selected if you are upgrading from a very old version of the OS, or you can select it yourself. The hard drive is reformatted and repartitioned. The new OS is installed on a fresh new volume. You must generate a new user account and password. All your data and applications must be reinstalled. You will note that in only one case do you have to worry about reinstalling your apps. > it from > the restore disks that came with the machine, See above. > or I am going to have to buy > it (again)? Why would you have to do that? If you have the install discs, and you selected Erase & Install, you can just install the software again. You're generating more work for yourself if you do things that way, but that's your lookout. Me, I plan on doing an Upgrade Install and just cruising. In the unlikely event that there's a problem, I'll dig out the backup which I'll make before doing the install, drop it onto the hard disk, and then do an Archive & Install. I backed up before moving from 10.1 to 10.2, and did not have to use the backup. I backed up before moving from 10.2 to 10.3, and did not have to use the backup. I backed up before moving from 10.3 to 10.4, and did not have to use the backup. I fully expect that I won't have to use the backup I make before moving from 10.4 to 10.5, but as I back up the full system every ever so often anyway, this is not a problem. > Andy. Signatureemail to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com. > 1 Upgrade Install. > [...] > 10.3.x to 10.5 probably won't work, [...] I'm planning to upgrade my system from 10.3.9 to 10.5. Can you tell why an "upgrade install" wouldn't work? > 2 Archive & Install. > [...] > The installer will detect basic settings, such as your username and > password, and will copy those settings into a new OS install. All of > your system software will be new. What will happen to my prefs stored in /etc? I am aware that some things will probably break during the upgrade, like my fink packages (not many, and I was planning to migrate to darwinports anyway). I'd just feel better if I knew in advance which parts of the system could be affected. >> 1 Upgrade Install. >> [...] >> 10.3.x to 10.5 probably won't work, [...] > > I'm planning to upgrade my system from 10.3.9 to 10.5. Can you tell > why an "upgrade install" wouldn't work? No can do. I know that when I was moving machines to Tiger, most machines which were on Jaguar wouldn't do an upgrade install. The fact that some were able to do an upgrade means that there wasn't a hard rule about it. I just couldn't figure out what those which _could_ do it had in common which each other, and _didn't_ have in common with those which _couldn't_ do it. I would be very confident that Tiger-to-Leopard upgrade installs will work without a problem. I'd be considerably less confident that Panther-to-Leopard upgrade installs would work. I'd be very confident that Jaguar-to-Leopard upgrade installs will _not_ work. Archive & installs will still work, though. I'm _extremely_ confident that unless you're going from 10.0.x or 10.1.x direct to Leopard you won't have to do an erase install... and machines old enough to run 10.1 probably can't run Leopard anyway. >> 2 Archive & Install. >> [...] [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > What will happen to my prefs stored in /etc? Archive & Install moves _everything_ from your old System into the Previous System folder, including invisible folders. Some things in the various invisible folders can be simply moved into the new invisible folders. Other things were already copied there for you; Archive & Install maintains your old users and passwords and applications, so a lot of stuff is in two places. Some items don't get copied, though, so you have to copy them them yourself. (Fonts, for example. Any non-Apple fonts in /Library/Fonts get moved into the Previous System folder with the rest of the items in /Library, so you get to copy 'em back...) > I am aware that some things will probably break during the upgrade, > like my fink packages (not many, and I was planning to migrate to > darwinports anyway). I'd just feel better if I knew in advance which > parts of the system could be affected. Sorry. When I updated systems, either I didn't care what was in the /etc folder because that system wasn't a development machine, or I didn't care because I was installing a new version of the development tools anyway. The one time I went snooping in invisible folders, the contents of those at the root level seemed identical to the contents of those in the Previous System folder. I left it alone and no-one reported problems. Signatureemail to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com. |
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