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zoara - 30 Aug 2007 18:21 GMT
I'm about to install some extra RAM in my MBP. I wonder what will happen
if I let it safe sleep, pop the battery, install the RAM and turn it
back on...

Will it restore the state, but not notice the extra RAM?
Will it restore and recognise the RAM?
Will it attempt to restore then crash?
Will it just go through the normal boot sequence?

I'm going to do it in about an hour, so... place your bets... NOW!!!

       -zoara-

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Gareth Slee - 30 Aug 2007 18:42 GMT
> I'm about to install some extra RAM in my MBP. I wonder what will happen
> if I let it safe sleep, pop the battery, install the RAM and turn it
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>
>         -zoara-

Knowing you it'll restore and then burst into flames!!!

Why not just shut it down and then fit the RAM?

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Phillip Walters - 30 Aug 2007 18:48 GMT
> > I'm about to install some extra RAM in my MBP. I wonder what will happen
> > if I let it safe sleep, pop the battery, install the RAM and turn it
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>
> Why not just shut it down and then fit the RAM?

Too easy
zoara - 30 Aug 2007 19:06 GMT
> > I'm about to install some extra RAM in my MBP. I wonder what will happen
> > if I let it safe sleep, pop the battery, install the RAM and turn it
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Knowing you it'll restore and then burst into flames!!!

Heh.

> Why not just shut it down and then fit the RAM?

Because I'm curious as to what will happen.

       -z-

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Jim - 30 Aug 2007 19:14 GMT
> > Why not just shut it down and then fit the RAM?
>
> Because I'm curious as to what will happen.

Ok, this is a binary situation where the possible outcomes are: nothing
bad happens / something bad happens.

In other words, you stand to gain nothing *at best*.
You stand to lose...something.

Just be sure to use all static prevention methods, such as installing
the RAM while under 12ft of water[0].

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zoara - 30 Aug 2007 19:42 GMT
> > > Why not just shut it down and then fit the RAM?
> >
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> In other words, you stand to gain nothing *at best*.
> You stand to lose...something.

I'll gain the - admittedly useless - knowledge of what happens if you do
it. I'm going to plough ahead regardless. Foolhardy, me?

> Just be sure to use all static prevention methods, such as installing
> the RAM while under 12ft of water[0].

Good plan.

       -z-

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zoara - 30 Aug 2007 21:51 GMT
> > > > Why not just shut it down and then fit the RAM?
> > >
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> I'll gain the - admittedly useless - knowledge of what happens if you do
> it. I'm going to plough ahead regardless. Foolhardy, me?

Well, I flipped over the MBP, pulled out the battery, opened the RAM
slot and then grabbed my shiny new RAM... only to realise I'd bought a
DIMM instead of a SODIMM. Admittedly the web shop I got it from didn't
specify that it was a DIMM, but I'm still a bloody muppet. *coff*

I did think I'd managed to get a bargain compared to Crucial prices. Oh
well, Distance Selling Regulations to the rescue!

       -zoara-

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Marco Bakker - 31 Aug 2007 08:37 GMT
> Well, I flipped over the MBP, pulled out the battery, opened the RAM
> slot and then grabbed my shiny new RAM... only to realise I'd bought a
> DIMM instead of a SODIMM.

It's a sign. It will go wrong. Let someone else install it.

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zoara - 31 Aug 2007 11:48 GMT
>> Well, I flipped over the MBP, pulled out the battery, opened the RAM
>> slot and then grabbed my shiny new RAM... only to realise I'd bought a
>> DIMM instead of a SODIMM.
>
> It's a sign. It will go wrong. Let someone else install it.

I'll get Hannah to do it. That'll be a good idea.

    -zoara-

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Jim - 31 Aug 2007 11:49 GMT
>>> Well, I flipped over the MBP, pulled out the battery, opened the RAM
>>> slot and then grabbed my shiny new RAM... only to realise I'd bought a
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>
> I'll get Hannah to do it. That'll be a good idea.

You also need to be surrounded by *at least* four plasma balls. It's a luck
thing.

Jim
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T i m - 31 Aug 2007 08:43 GMT
>Well, I flipped over the MBP, pulled out the battery, opened the RAM
>slot and then grabbed my shiny new RAM... only to realise I'd bought a
>DIMM instead of a SODIMM. Admittedly the web shop I got it from didn't
>specify that it was a DIMM, but I'm still a bloody muppet. *coff*

And why we have professional hardware engineers ...

All the best ..

T i m
David Kennedy - 31 Aug 2007 09:44 GMT
>> Well, I flipped over the MBP, pulled out the battery, opened the RAM
>> slot and then grabbed my shiny new RAM... only to realise I'd bought a
>> DIMM instead of a SODIMM. Admittedly the web shop I got it from didn't
>> specify that it was a DIMM, but I'm still a bloody muppet. *coff*
>
> And why we have professional hardware engineers ...

Who I suppose _never_ make mistakes....

Anyway, if you're so competent then why are you here asking questions ??

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Pd - 31 Aug 2007 14:31 GMT
David Kennedy
<davidkennedy@nospamtodaythanksverymuchforthekindofferyoubastard.invalid
> wrote:

> Anyway, if you're so competent then why are you here asking questions ??

Because well-designed, neat and tidy layouts and efficient use of
internal space "scares the crap out of me", in his words.

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T i m - 31 Aug 2007 18:52 GMT
On Fri, 31 Aug 2007 09:44:27 +0100, David Kennedy
<davidkennedy@nospamtodaythanksverymuchforthekindofferyoubastard.invalid>
wrote:

>>> Well, I flipped over the MBP, pulled out the battery, opened the RAM
>>> slot and then grabbed my shiny new RAM... only to realise I'd bought a
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>
>Anyway, if you're so competent then why are you here asking questions ??

Because I can David, and it looks like I've even 'riled Zoara up' ..
so it was a job well done, the gullible over sensitive HUMOURLESS
muppet (oh and  it's what Trolls are supposed to do remember). [1]

Anyway where did I suggest I was a professional hardware engineer, or
that I never made mistakes?

It was obvious to most of those who replied  that his little plan
sounded dangerous and/or foolhardy, especially considering his history
'killing' kit and them giving electric shocks in defense.

All the best ..

T i m

[1] I actually intend it to be humorous, a little hardware <> software
engineers joke between him and I,  especially as he had confessed to
his muppetry here and I don't kick a man when he's down. I didn't put
a smiley face because it makes no difference here ...
Peter Ceresole - 31 Aug 2007 21:26 GMT
> a little hardware <> software
> engineers joke between him and I

It's 'him and me', T i m.

Remember where you are. Here, even trolls need to know their grammar.
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T i m - 31 Aug 2007 23:36 GMT
>> a little hardware <> software
>> engineers joke between him and I
>
>It's 'him and me', T i m.
>
>Remember where you are. Here, even trolls need to know their grammar.

I do, she's at home with Grandad?

Love ..

T i m
zoara - 31 Aug 2007 10:51 GMT
>>Well, I flipped over the MBP, pulled out the battery, opened the RAM
>>slot and then grabbed my shiny new RAM... only to realise I'd bought a
>>DIMM instead of a SODIMM. Admittedly the web shop I got it from didn't
>>specify that it was a DIMM, but I'm still a bloody muppet. *coff*
>
> And why we have professional hardware engineers ...

Don't be such a cock, T i m. By your definition of 'professional hardware
engineer' (ie someone who just puts off-the-shelf parts into a box) then
I've been there, done that. In exchange for money, too. I've built my own
(Mac) laptops from spares and have done several complete stripdowns and
rebuilds on various Macs and PCs (and some dicking about inside Amigas
and BBC Micros). It's not hard, and it's not even 'engineering'. I know
you think us Mac people (or maybe more specifically, me) are scared to
open our machines, but that isn't true; we (generally) just don't find
any appeal in the tedium of dicking about plugging bits into boxes.

I obviously know the difference between a DIMM and a SODIMM; it was a
simple mistake - I googled for SODIMMs and hit that page; it didn't
mention it was a DIMM or a SODIMM, or the number of pins, and the image
was ambiguous. I took it to be a SODIMM as that's what I'd been searching
for. Schoolboy error.

And in case you haven't gathered, for once you've riled me up. As if you
need to be a hardware engineer to buy the right RAM - don't be a cock. I
was a muppet, that's all.

    -zoara-

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Peter Ceresole - 31 Aug 2007 07:57 GMT
> Ok, this is a binary situation where the possible outcomes are: nothing
> bad happens / something bad happens.

Or as in 'curiosity kills Schrodinger's cat'.

Interesting that the real solution was 'none of the above'.
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Jim - 31 Aug 2007 08:27 GMT
>> Ok, this is a binary situation where the possible outcomes are: nothing
>> bad happens / something bad happens.
>
> Or as in 'curiosity kills Schrodinger's cat'.
>
> Interesting that the real solution was 'none of the above'.

"What on earth have you done to that cat? It looks half dead!" -
Schrodinger's wife.

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