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Mark Wheeler - 10 Jun 2005 23:58 GMT
Hi,

Sorry if this is off topic, but I need to move a shared account to a
dedicated account, but picking a new host provider is a need in a
haystack. So I ask, where is a good place to go for a DEDICATED server
hosting package? What are your good experiences?

Thanks,

Mark
Ian Ragsdale - 11 Jun 2005 00:08 GMT
I've had very good experience with Rackspace.  They have incredible  
customer service, but they have a pretty high price to match.  I've  
also had good luck with Pair.com.

Ian

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Mark Wheeler - 11 Jun 2005 01:07 GMT
Thank you all very much. I'll check into all of them. I'm sure I'll
find one that is exactly what I am looking for.

Mark

I've had very good experience with Rackspace.  They have incredible
customer service, but they have a pretty high price to match.  I've
also had good luck with Pair.com.

Ian

On Jun 10, 2005, at 5:58 PM, Mark Wheeler wrote:

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> Mark
Joel Rees - 11 Jun 2005 02:39 GMT
> Sorry if this is off topic, but I need to move a shared account to a
> dedicated account, but picking a new host provider is a need in a
> haystack. So I ask, where is a good place to go for a DEDICATED server
> hosting package? What are your good experiences?

Have you considered colocation, or even running the servers yourself?

The mac mini alters the economics of both doing it yourself and
colocation significantly, for an awfully large number of applications.

--
Joel Rees
    even though much of what I do is not sensible
    it does make sense if you know why ...
Joseph Alotta - 11 Jun 2005 18:57 GMT
Hi Joel,

What does colocation mean?

Joe.

>> Sorry if this is off topic, but I need to move a shared account to  
>> a dedicated account, but picking a new host provider is a need in  
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>     even though much of what I do is not sensible
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Andy Holyer - 11 Jun 2005 19:17 GMT
> Hi Joel,
>
> What does colocation mean?

Colocation is when you set up a server on your own machine, and then
pay an ISP or similar connectivity provider a rental to place your
machine on their network, connected to the Internet.

Included in this is usually guaranteed 24/7 power and connectivity,
security, and occasionally backups. The two biggest providers of these
in the UK are Telehouse and TeleCity, both in London's docklands. In
these cases you rent a 19" rack cabinet in which you can place as many
servers as you want. That really costs big, though.
Joel Rees - 11 Jun 2005 23:23 GMT
Just to clarify,

>> Hi Joel,
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> pay an ISP or similar connectivity provider a rental to place your
> machine on their network,

at their physical location (thus, co-location),

> connected to the Internet.

> Included in this is usually guaranteed 24/7 power and connectivity,
> security, and occasionally backups.

And, in many cases, they can do some other aspects of the actual setup
and maintenance, for a fee, of course.

Installing an OS usually has a set price (when they do that). Just
inserting the CD and getting it started while you do the rest remotely,
and being on standby in case you need someone to read a message that
went to the console instead of to the remote admin's terminal will
usually be a bit cheaper. Many places will let you just bring the
servers in once you've set them up, others may offer to purchase the
servers for you (in which case colocation looks more like dedicated
hosting).

>  The two biggest providers of these in the UK are Telehouse and
> TeleCity, both in London's docklands. In these cases you rent a 19"
> rack cabinet in which you can place as many servers as you want. That
> really costs big, though.

Some places also rent by the shelf/slot, and the places offering
special services for the Mac Mini will rent a partial shelf. That's
where this becomes relevant to this thread. A pair of Mac Minis is
usually plenty for your average Mom and Pop retail or one man
consultant shop (and even a little bit larger than that), and the
prices for that are usually better than the cost of dedicated hosting,
may even be as good as the better shared hosting.

Of course, all of that may require factoring in using an OS other than
Mac OS X server, and I don't recommend Mac OS X client or Darwin for
servers unless you have the server under your physical control and are
willing to do a lot of hand customizing, and know how to nurse a server
yourself when necessary.

--
Joel Rees
    even though much of what I do is not sensible
    it does make sense if you know why ...
 
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