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Mac Forum / General / Networking / July 2008[ANN] MT-NewsWatcher F3.5.3b3
The French.lproj folder, F3.5.3b3, for MT-NewsWatcher is now available at <ftp://ftp.sri.ucl.ac.be/pub/News/MTNewsWatcher/>. And maybe soon on one of the mirrors : <ftp://ftp.ciril.fr/pub/Mac/UCL/> <ftp://ftp.belnet.be/mirror/ftp.sri.ucl.ac.be/pub/> MT-NewsWatcher is a Usenet news client for the Macintosh. MT-NewsWatcher allows you to quickly and efficiently target the articles you wish to read, with sophisticated yet easy to use filtering, searching and sorting features. The program also makes viewing and saving binaries from newsgroups easy, and works transparently across multiple news servers.  SignatureJean-Pierre Kuypers > The French.lproj folder, F3.5.3b3, for MT-NewsWatcher is now available > at <ftp://ftp.sri.ucl.ac.be/pub/News/MTNewsWatcher/>. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > viewing and saving binaries from newsgroups easy, and works > transparently across multiple news servers. new US version too??? > > The French.lproj folder, F3.5.3b3, for MT-NewsWatcher is now available > > at <ftp://ftp.sri.ucl.ac.be/pub/News/MTNewsWatcher/>. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > new US version too??? MT-NewsWatcher 3.5.3b3 has been out for quite some time now. (J.P. Kuypers seems to prefer to create and distribute French-only MT-NewsWatcher resources himself, posting about them here, rather than simply working with Simon to include French localization in the real MT-NewsWatcher releases. Personally, I think it's causing unnecessary confusion, and disconnect with the real MT-NewsWatcher project. I don't quite understand the motivation - maybe J.P. thinks he'll get more credit this way.) SignatureSend responses to the relevant news group rather than to me, as E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR > (J.P. Kuypers seems to prefer to create and distribute French-only > MT-NewsWatcher resources himself, posting about them here, rather [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > project. I don't quite understand the motivation - maybe J.P. thinks > he'll get more credit this way.) He provides French versions of quite a number of products, not just MTNW. Maybe he has Simon's consent to do it for MTNW. SignatureSupport the troops: Bring them home ASAP. > > (J.P. Kuypers seems to prefer to create and distribute French-only > > MT-NewsWatcher resources himself, posting about them here, rather [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Maybe he has Simon's consent to do it for MTNW. Consent or not, distributing a small localized piece of an application bundle seems strange to me when he could simply give the localized piece to the application author to include in the next update. Certainly there are many users who wouldn't know what to do with the piece by itself. And posting about it here is borderline spamming IMO. This is the kind of thing sites like versiontracker and macupdate are for - these news groups are visited by mostly English-speaking folks. SignaturePlease send all responses to the relevant news group rather than directly to me, as E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. You'll need to use a real news reader if you want me to see your posts. JR [...] > these news > groups are visited by mostly English-speaking folks. Just because people speak english *here* doesn't mean they don't prefer some other language in some other context. SignatureSander Tekelenburg, <http://www.euronet.nl/~tekelenb/> Mac user: "Macs only have 40 viruses, tops!" PC user: "SEE! Not even the virus writers support Macs!" > [...] > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Just because people speak english *here* doesn't mean they don't prefer > some other language in some other context. It's still borderline spamming IMO. SignatureSend responses to the relevant news group rather than to me, as E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR > It's still borderline spamming IMO. Geez, JR, he's been providing this free service and announcing it here for _YEARS_! You are literally the only person I've ever seen complain about it. Lighten, up, dude! It's not as if he's announcing his Viennese waltz video in his signature or anything like that. ;-) SignatureMy latest ballroom dance performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W5Z5DGYIvM I kill Google Groups posts. See http://improve-usenet.org for details. > > It's still borderline spamming IMO. > > Geez, JR, he's been providing this free service and announcing it here > for _YEARS_! You are literally the only person I've ever seen complain > about it. Lighten, up, dude! It's not as if he's announcing his > Viennese waltz video in his signature or anything like that. ;-) I think if you look back you'll see the only reason I commented to begin with was because Calvin replied (obviously confused by J.P.'s announcement, BTW) apparently asking if there was a US version of MT-NewsWatcher 3.5.3b. I (hopefully) ended his confusion by explaining J.P.'s post. I'm not really sure how I might lighten up about it when I'm not all that upset about it to begin with. In fact, I filter J.P.'s announcements, so I mostly don't see them. This is an exception. SignatureSend responses to the relevant news group rather than to me, as E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR > I think if you look back you'll see the only reason I commented to begin > with was because Calvin replied (obviously confused by J.P.'s [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I'm not really sure how I might lighten up about it when I'm not all > that upset about it to begin with. Heck, you seemed pretty critical of J.P. to me. Under other circumstances, I would have expected you to ask Calvin why he didn't just look at Simon's site in the first place. SignatureMy latest ballroom dance performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W5Z5DGYIvM I kill Google Groups posts. See http://improve-usenet.org for details. > > I think if you look back you'll see the only reason I commented to begin > > with was because Calvin replied (obviously confused by J.P.'s [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Heck, you seemed pretty critical of J.P. to me. I think I'm more curious than critical; but I suppose I'm somewhat critical as well. I mean I did have to go through the trouble of filtering him out and all... > Under other > circumstances, I would have expected you to ask Calvin why he didn't > just look at Simon's site in the first place. Yes, Calvin - do that. : ) SignatureSend responses to the relevant news group rather than to me, as E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR > > Heck, you seemed pretty critical of J.P. to me. > > I think I'm more curious than critical; but I suppose I'm somewhat > critical as well. I mean I did have to go through the trouble of > filtering him out and all... The thing is, I've been reading the c.s.m. groups for some 14 years now, and for as long as I can remember he's been doing French localizations of Mac communications programs and announcing them here, with [ANN] in the subject line. He's part of the scenery for me. Time was when people would joke that he was so fast in getting the French versions out, he would sometimes do it before the English-language version was even available. He does, BTW, also post these announcements to fr.comp.sys.mac.annonces. SignatureMy latest ballroom dance performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W5Z5DGYIvM I kill Google Groups posts. See http://improve-usenet.org for details. > > > Heck, you seemed pretty critical of J.P. to me. > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > would sometimes do it before the English-language version was even > available. Heh... I see. I suppose I just hadn't noticed him until lately - for whatever reason. Like I said, I've got them filtered now; so they won't bother me. > He does, BTW, also post these announcements to > fr.comp.sys.mac.annonces. That seems like a more appropriate place to me. Just my opinion - I'm not starting a war over it or anything. SignatureSend responses to the relevant news group rather than to me, as E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR > That seems like a more appropriate place to me. Just my opinion - I'm > not starting a war over it or anything. Just so you know, if, for any reason, the import of beer and ale from Belgium to the US is ever cut off, I'm holding _you_ personally and solely responsible. ;-) SignatureMy latest ballroom dance performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W5Z5DGYIvM I kill Google Groups posts. See http://improve-usenet.org for details. > > That seems like a more appropriate place to me. Just my opinion - I'm > > not starting a war over it or anything. > > Just so you know, if, for any reason, the import of beer and ale from > Belgium to the US is ever cut off, I'm holding _you_ personally and > solely responsible. ;-) Hell that'll never happen. We still get french fries here, don't we? ; ) SignatureSend responses to the relevant news group rather than to me, as E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR > > Just so you know, if, for any reason, the import of beer and ale from > > Belgium to the US is ever cut off, I'm holding _you_ personally and > > solely responsible. ;-) > > Hell that'll never happen. We still get french fries here, don't we? ; ) From _Belgium_? Good, lord, man! Don't let them hear you say anything but "pommes fritte"! They're _very_ touchy about that. SignatureMy latest ballroom dance performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W5Z5DGYIvM I kill Google Groups posts. See http://improve-usenet.org for details. > > > Just so you know, if, for any reason, the import of beer and ale from > > > Belgium to the US is ever cut off, I'm holding _you_ personally and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > From _Belgium_? Good, lord, man! Don't let them hear you say anything > but "pommes fritte"! They're _very_ touchy about that. It was a joke. : D SignatureSend responses to the relevant news group rather than to me, as E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR > > > Hell that'll never happen. We still get french fries here, don't we? ; ) > > > > From _Belgium_? Good, lord, man! Don't let them hear you say anything > > but "pommes fritte"! They're _very_ touchy about that. > > It was a joke. : D Don't tell me you think I've been serious about much of anything in this thread! SignatureMy latest ballroom dance performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W5Z5DGYIvM I kill Google Groups posts. See http://improve-usenet.org for details. > > > > Hell that'll never happen. We still get french fries here, don't we? ; > > > > ) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Don't tell me you think I've been serious about much of anything in this > thread! Are you kidding? SignatureSend responses to the relevant news group rather than to me, as E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR > > Don't tell me you think I've been serious about much of anything in this > > thread! > > Are you kidding? I was serious about wondering why J.P.'s posts bother you, but that's about it. I'd think that talking about my dance routine and Belgian beer would have tipped you off. <g> SignatureMy latest ballroom dance performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W5Z5DGYIvM I kill Google Groups posts. See http://improve-usenet.org for details. > > > Don't tell me you think I've been serious about much of anything in this > > > thread! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > about it. I'd think that talking about my dance routine and Belgian beer > would have tipped you off. <g> I was *joking*!!! SignatureSend responses to the relevant news group rather than to me, as E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR > > > Just so you know, if, for any reason, the import of beer and ale from > > > Belgium to the US is ever cut off, I'm holding _you_ personally and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > From _Belgium_? Good, lord, man! Don't let them hear you say anything > but "pommes fritte"! They're _very_ touchy about that. During the 1980 Canadian federal election, the Parti Rhinoceros (of which I was a candidate) declared war on Belgium when Tintin blew up a rhinoceros in the popular comic. We demanded a case of Belgian mussels and a case of Belgian beer delivered to our Montreal headquarters as reparations. The Belgians surrendered, and reparations were made. Unfortunately, I was in Winnipeg at the time. SignatureWoodworking links and more at http://www.woodenwabbits.com -------------- I kill all messages from Google Groups. See http://improve-usenet.org for details. > During the 1980 Canadian federal election, the Parti Rhinoceros (of > which I was a candidate) declared war on Belgium when Tintin blew up a > rhinoceros in the popular comic. During that federal election, I lived in a riding in Montreal (Ste-Marie I think) where the Rhinoceros Party came in second, ahead of the conservatives and (for sure) way ahead of the NDP. I had a ton of fun with Rhinos for a while, until they started taking themselves seriously, thinking they might actually win a seat in the parliament. My over-educated lefty associates at the time were furious: they thought the Rhinos were taking votes away from the Holy Righteous NDP and destroying their chances of creating some kind of vicious left-wing dystopia. This was the election after Joe The Brief (who was pretty "progressive" for a right-winger) got kicked out of the parliament by the same over-educated lefty arse-holes. Jean Chretien (who became justice minister after that election) called them (the Rhinos) a "threat do democracy." Dontcha just love thread-drift? Keep up the good work, M. Kuypers. SignatureW. Oates > During that federal election, I lived in a riding in Montreal > (Ste-Marie > I think) where the Rhinoceros Party came in second, ahead of the > conservatives and (for sure) way ahead of the NDP. I ran against Lloyd Axworthy in Winnipeg-Fort Garry, and managed 405 votes! > Jean Chretien (who became justice minister after that election) called > them (the Rhinos) a "threat do democracy." I remember his rant. My campaign promised to ship him a box of gaskets to replace the one he blew. SignatureWoodworking links and more at http://www.woodenwabbits.com -------------- I kill all messages from Google Groups. See http://improve-usenet.org for details. > I remember his rant. My campaign promised to ship him a box of > gaskets to replace the one he blew. I first read that as "...promised to ship him in a box of gaskets..." SignatureDonate to the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society; help send Michelle to the marathon. <http://www.active.com/donate/tntdms/tntdmsMSteine> > > That seems like a more appropriate place to me. Just my opinion - > > I'm not starting a war over it or anything. > > Just so you know, if, for any reason, the import of beer and ale from > Belgium to the US is ever cut off, I'm holding _you_ personally and > solely responsible. ;-) Don't even joke about horrible things like that! > > Just so you know, if, for any reason, the import of beer and ale from > > Belgium to the US is ever cut off, I'm holding _you_ personally and > > solely responsible. ;-) > > Don't even joke about horrible things like that! Hey, I'm having Delirium Tremens just thinking about it. ;-) SignatureMy latest ballroom dance performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W5Z5DGYIvM I kill Google Groups posts. See http://improve-usenet.org for details. > > > I think if you look back you'll see the only reason I commented to begin > > > with was because Calvin replied (obviously confused by J.P.'s [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Yes, Calvin - do that. : ) I did. No new version. Thx. :-) > > > Under other > > > circumstances, I would have expected you to ask Calvin why he didn't [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I did. You did? > No new version. There wasn't? That's really weird, since: http://www.smfr.org/mtnw/downloading.html Version 3.5.3b3 is there now, as it was the day I posted about it previously. SignatureI kill Google Groups posts. See http://improve-usenet.org for details. <http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://designsbymike.net/shop/greet.cgi> Holiday cards with attitude > > > > Under other > > > > circumstances, I would have expected you to ask Calvin why he didn't [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Version 3.5.3b3 is there now, as it was the day I posted about it > previously. Looks like I misread what was on the page. I do see that there is a new beta, thanks. > My latest ballroom dance performance: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W5Z5DGYIvM Well done. Bravo! SignatureSupport the troops: Bring them home ASAP. > > My latest ballroom dance performance: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W5Z5DGYIvM > > Well done. Bravo! Thank you! And what did you think of my lovely instructor, Selena? Time was when I couldn't even get a woman who looks like that to talk to me. ;-) But seriously, she's a great instructor and a wonderful person. You can see how good a dancer she is. SignatureMy latest ballroom dance performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W5Z5DGYIvM I kill Google Groups posts. See http://improve-usenet.org for details. > And what did you think of my lovely instructor, Selena? She's lovely, and she's tall. > Time was when I couldn't even get a woman who looks like that to talk > to me. ;-) You pay her, right? <g> SignatureSupport the troops: Bring them home ASAP. > > And what did you think of my lovely instructor, Selena? > > She's lovely, and she's tall. She's about 5'9", I'm 5'8", and her heels are two inches longer than mine. I wish I were about three inches taller, all in my legs. > > Time was when I couldn't even get a woman who looks like that to talk > > to me. ;-) > > You pay her, right? <g> I would have been disappointed if you hadn't said something like that. ;-) SignatureMy latest ballroom dance performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W5Z5DGYIvM I kill Google Groups posts. See http://improve-usenet.org for details. > > > Time was when I couldn't even get a woman who looks like that to > > > talk to me. ;-) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I would have been disappointed if you hadn't said something like > that. ;-) That's why I said it. But she doesn't teach you for free, does she? At least you don't have to do fundraising for a charity in exchange for your dance lessons. SignatureDonate to the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society; help send Michelle to the marathon. <http://www.active.com/donate/tntdms/tntdmsMSteine> > > > > Time was when I couldn't even get a woman who looks like that to > > > > talk to me. ;-) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > That's why I said it. But she doesn't teach you for free, does she? I'm pretty sure part of the money I pay the studio owner does go to her, yes. > At least you don't have to do fundraising for a charity in exchange for > your dance lessons. No, but with what I'm paying for the lessons, I may need to find some sponsors to keep going. Hmmm... maybe for my next routine we'll use a song about auto racing and we'll dress as NASCAR drivers, covered with actual ads. ;-) SignatureMy latest ballroom dance performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W5Z5DGYIvM I kill Google Groups posts. See http://improve-usenet.org for details. > > [...] > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > It's still borderline spamming IMO. If he was charging people for it, I might agree, but he's not and I see it as offering a service. I do agree it would make more sense to send the localization patch to Simon and have it integrated up front. > Consent or not, distributing a small localized piece of an application > bundle seems strange to me when he could simply give the localized piece [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > of thing sites like versiontracker and macupdate are for - these news > groups are visited by mostly English-speaking folks. I'm waiting for a version in Gaelic-Serbo-Kanji(Big5). SignatureW. Oates |
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