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Help - scared by Java certificate question

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Greggy - 31 May 2008 06:19 GMT
I'm a bit put off by the wording of a certificate acceptance dialog
asking me to OK it.

The file storage and sharing website box.net has a feature that uses a
Java applet to allow you to drag-n-drop files from your finder onto
their window for upload to your box on their site.  When the applet
loads you get a pretty standard-looking dialog asking you to trust a
certificate.  I was ready to give it my OK except it says:

"Click Trust to run this applet and allow it unrestricted access to your
computer. Click Don't trust to run this applet with standard Java
restrictions."

That phrase "unrestricted access" is what scares me. I wouldn't give my
best friend unrestricted access to my computer, so I'm sure not gonna
give it to a commercial website that specializes in file sharing!  So I
went with "don't trust" with standard Java restrictions, and the
drag-n-drop feature did not work.

1. What is "unrestricted access" in this context?
2. What are "standard Java restrictions"?
Jerry Kindall - 31 May 2008 09:17 GMT
> I'm a bit put off by the wording of a certificate acceptance dialog
> asking me to OK it.
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>
> 1. What is "unrestricted access" in this context?

It means that Java will not restrict access to files.  The underlying
OS can and will, so the applet still can only access files that your
user account has access to.

Which, if you think about it, is necessary since it doesn't know in
advance what file you might want to upload.

> 2. What are "standard Java restrictions"?

Only access to files in the Java sandbox.

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Tom Harrington - 31 May 2008 22:26 GMT
> I'm a bit put off by the wording of a certificate acceptance dialog
> asking me to OK it.
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> went with "don't trust" with standard Java restrictions, and the
> drag-n-drop feature did not work.

Keep in mind that any application you download and run on your Mac has
the same "unrestricted" access.  If Box.net had an application you could
download to work with their service, would you use it?  Granting the
Java applet this access is exactly as safe, and as dangerous.

> 1. What is "unrestricted access" in this context?
> 2. What are "standard Java restrictions"?

By default Java applications on web sites are very restricted in what
they can do.  Their access to your computer is extremely limited, which
means among other things that they can't read or write files on your
hard drive.  Giving it this access means it can get to your hard drive,
which is a necessary part of making their drag and drop scheme work.

Whether they deserve the trust this implies is not a question I can
answer for you.

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