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To Port Forward or Not To Port Forward - That is the question

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Otto Pylot - 28 Jun 2007 05:45 GMT
System: DP MDD G4, OS 10.4.9

Inet connection: DSL with static i.p.,Broadcom Gateway to Linksys
WRT54G Wireless Router using DHCP, 1 computer connected via enet, 3
connected wirelessly, basic home use only

Wireless security is very basic: Unique router name and pw, SSID
disabled, and connections allowed by MAC addresses only, Linksys
firewall is enabled with all the other features set to their defaults,
Mac OS firewall is disabled

I recently purchased a Logitec QuickCam Pro 5000 webcam that works just
fine with iChat right out of the box. Learning how to use it I found
some Apple docs and other docs that discuss the various ports that
Apple uses when communicating to the inet whether by text, audio,
video, etc. The Port Forwarding setup window in the Linksys is blank so
I assume it uses whatever port is available for whatever it needs to
do. Is there any distinct advantage (speed-wise or security-wise) to
using the specific port ranges suggested or should I just leave well
enough alone because it all works just fine with no problems? Thanks.

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Tom Stiller - 28 Jun 2007 12:24 GMT
> System: DP MDD G4, OS 10.4.9
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> using the specific port ranges suggested or should I just leave well
> enough alone because it all works just fine with no problems? Thanks.

Router port forwarding is intended for incoming connection requests.  
Many services (.e.g IM) initiate connection by contacting an external
server, and so are initially outbound.  Do you intend to have internet
clients initiate connections directly to your computer?  If not, you
won't need to forward any ports.

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Otto Pylot - 29 Jun 2007 01:41 GMT
> > System: DP MDD G4, OS 10.4.9
> >
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> clients initiate connections directly to your computer?  If not, you
> won't need to forward any ports.

No. Just garden variety home use. Guess I'll leave well enough alone.
thanks

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Garner Miller - 28 Jun 2007 20:32 GMT
> Wireless security is very basic: Unique router name and pw, SSID
> disabled, and connections allowed by MAC addresses only, Linksys
> firewall is enabled with all the other features set to their defaults,
> Mac OS firewall is disabled

Disabling the SSID and using MAC address filtering will *not* stop even
the most casual hacker from getting right into your router.  If you're
not using WPA security, your router is not secured in any meaningful way.

> Is there any distinct advantage (speed-wise or security-wise) to
> using the specific port ranges suggested or should I just leave well
> enough alone because it all works just fine with no problems? Thanks.

The short answer: If everything you use is working properly, leave it
alone.  It's fine!

The long answer:

Your internet connection from your cable or DSL company likely gives you
a single IP address that the world can connect to when you're online.  
When you're using a router to handle your internet connection, you're
creating a network-within-a-network.  That "local" network has a
completely separate set of IP addresses that will only work between
machines connected directly to that router.  (That's slightly
simplified, but basically correct.)

Say, for example, you have a web server (which uses port 80) running on
one of your computers.  If a connection comes in from the outside world
to port 80, it's going to hit your router and be ignored, because the
router doesn't know *which* computer can handle that connection.  
Setting up port forwarding is how you provide the router with the
information about which computers (in your local network) handle
requests from the outside world.

Most people won't need to touch the port-forwarding settings, because
most services (such as you sending or checking e-mail, or opening a web
page) are initiated as *outbound* connections from your computer.  Those
are processed automatically, no forwarding needed.  In most cases, port
forwarding is only necessary if you're setting up a server of some sort,
be it a web server, a file server, and so forth.

Hope that helps!
Otto Pylot - 29 Jun 2007 01:43 GMT
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> > Wireless security is very basic: Unique router name and pw, SSID
> > disabled, and connections allowed by MAC addresses only, Linksys
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>
>Yeah I realize that. I guess I figure I'm relatively safe here in my
own home. However, I can see my neighbors routers on either side of my
house so I really should rethink my "security". Thanks.

> The long answer:
>
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>
> Hope that helps!

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Bob Harris - 29 Jun 2007 00:54 GMT
> System: DP MDD G4, OS 10.4.9
>
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> using the specific port ranges suggested or should I just leave well
> enough alone because it all works just fine with no problems? Thanks.

It ain't broke, don't fix it.
Otto Pylot - 29 Jun 2007 01:43 GMT
> > System: DP MDD G4, OS 10.4.9
> >
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>
> It ain't broke, don't fix it.


Agreed.

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