I'm still tossing the idea around about getting V-PC and am once again
wondering. Does it run fast? I mean, at least as fast at the Mac OS
I'm using? (OS-X 10.2.8) The only Windows OS I have is Win 98 so that
is what I'll be using as I'm certainly not prepared to upgrade to
another issue of it.
Has anyone here actually used it and does it really work ok?

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TaliesinSoft - 23 Jul 2005 22:03 GMT
> I'm still tossing the idea around about getting V-PC and am once again
> wondering. Does it run fast? I mean, at least as fast at the Mac OS I'm
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> Has anyone here actually used it and does it really work ok?
Whether Virtual PC will be satisfactory for you or not is very dependent upon
the nature of the software you will be running under it. In my own case,
which may or may not have any relevance to your needs, I use Virtual PC to
host an application development environment, Dyalog APL, where one usually
spends far more think time than anything else. I've benchmarked Virtual PC
and compared my results with published benchmarks of the development
environment running on a variety of PC hardware and, in my case, my Macintosh
at 1.67 GHZ is running at the equivalent to a PC running at about .8 GHZ.
Another thing to consider is that in terms of graphic performance the ratio
of performance between Virtual PC and a Mac becomes significantly more biased
than when comparing just a comparison of computing power. Finally, don't
count on Virtual PC to be at all useful for playing sound.
Hope this helps.

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Ruddell - 23 Jul 2005 23:52 GMT
> Whether Virtual PC will be satisfactory for you or not is very
> dependent upon the nature of the software you will be running under
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> Hope this helps.
It does. Sound really isn't an issue, although I suppose one might be
tempted to try things with it. But my main reason is to use Gravity as
my newsreader. I've tried all the Mac readers out there and have found
Halime to be my only suitable choice since switching to Mac OS-X (
previously discussed in another thread). Before OS-X, Netscape 4.x was
the reader of choice when using either OS 8.6 & 9. Netscape 7 on OS-X
is ok but I prefer a real newsreader, so Halime is it.
Have you tried Gravity on your Mac? It would be interesting to hear
from someone with V-PC who's actually used the program which I'm
interested in. Maybe if you're really bored and have some free time,
well, it might happen... :-)

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TaliesinSoft - 23 Jul 2005 23:57 GMT
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> Have you tried Gravity on your Mac? It would be interesting to hear
> from someone with V-PC who's actually used the program which I'm
> interested in. Maybe if you're really bored and have some free time,
> well, it might happen... :-)
I haven't tried Gravity -- in fact I've never until now even heard of it.
I'll check it out and let you know how I think it compares to Hogwasher which
has been my Macintosh newsreader of choice for a number of years.

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Ruddell - 24 Jul 2005 01:11 GMT
> [responding to my detailing my own opinions of Virtual PC]
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> Hogwasher which has been my Macintosh newsreader of choice for a
> number of years.
It can be downloaded through here...
http://gravity.tbates.org/
I've tried Hogwasher and MT-News and found them similar. I'm sure
you've heard of Free Agent? Gravity is a step above that and one window
does all. I'm still dreaming that Halime will be updated and improved
but haven't seen any prospects yet. Guess in the long run, that's
eventually what I'll wind up doing, but for now it isn't an option...

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TaliesinSoft - 24 Jul 2005 02:03 GMT
> I've tried Hogwasher and MT-News and found them similar.
Similar??? I find Hogwasher and MT-Newswatcher as different as night and day!

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Ruddell - 24 Jul 2005 03:03 GMT
>> I've tried Hogwasher and MT-News and found them similar.
>
> Similar??? I find Hogwasher and MT-Newswatcher as different as night
> and day!
They've still got that separate window for the subscriptions, the list
of groups and then the message itself. Too clumsy in my opinion. I
like it when it's all in one window...

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TaliesinSoft - 24 Jul 2005 03:09 GMT
> They've still got that separate window for the subscriptions, the list of
> groups and then the message itself. Too clumsy in my opinion. I like it
> when it's all in one window...
But Hogwasher has the option of having everything displayed in a single paned
window.

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Tim Lance - 24 Jul 2005 00:10 GMT
> I'm still tossing the idea around about getting V-PC and am once again
> wondering. Does it run fast? I mean, at least as fast at the Mac OS
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> Has anyone here actually used it and does it really work ok?
A cheap used slow box will be as fast if not faster than VPC on a good Mac.
In my case, My can't remember GHz P III Win2K can't remember RAM box is
faster than VPC 7 WinXP Pro on my 1 GHz G4 10.4.2 1.25 GB RAM PowerBook.
Still I usually use the PowerBook/VPC cause I get a sick thrill from doing
so.

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Ruddell - 24 Jul 2005 01:14 GMT
>> I'm still tossing the idea around about getting V-PC and am once
>> again wondering. Does it run fast? I mean, at least as fast at the
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> PowerBook. Still I usually use the PowerBook/VPC cause I get a sick
> thrill from doing so.
So in other words, it's really not worth bothering with. That makes
sense as you can't get a trial version of VPC and it's approx $250.00 US.
After converting that to Canadian dollars, it's not a cheap newsreader ;-)

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Tim Lance - 24 Jul 2005 02:07 GMT
>> I'm still tossing the idea around about getting V-PC and am once again
>> wondering. Does it run fast? I mean, at least as fast at the Mac OS
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> Still I usually use the PowerBook/VPC cause I get a sick thrill from doing
> so.
Yep.

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Tim Lance - 24 Jul 2005 02:09 GMT
>>> I'm still tossing the idea around about getting V-PC and am once again
>>> wondering. Does it run fast? I mean, at least as fast at the Mac OS
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> Yep.
Sorry. Still getting used to Hogwahser's ways.
The "Yep" was in response to the post saying it's a lot to pay for a news
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Ian McCall - 25 Jul 2005 09:39 GMT
> I'm still tossing the idea around about getting V-PC and am once again
> wondering. Does it run fast? I mean, at least as fast at the Mac OS
> I'm using? (OS-X 10.2.8) The only Windows OS I have is Win 98 so that
> is what I'll be using as I'm certainly not prepared to upgrade to
> another issue of it.
> Has anyone here actually used it and does it really work ok?
Yes, I use it regularly on both an 867Mhz Powerbook G4 and a dual 1.8
Power Mac G5. Works fine for what I need it for, which is running
Quicken UK. Not really recommended for highly interactive stuff though
- games, and as another poster mentioned audio apps, are right out.
You mention Win98 - actually NT 4 or any later NT-derivative will run
more quickly than the DOS-based 95 or 98. There's a bug, though I'm
uncertain whether it's in DOS or in VPC, which makes those environments
slower. Personally I run W2K on it, with all networking capabilities
switched off because I don't need them (and thus am protected from the
vagaries of running old versions of Windows on the internet). XP runs
fine too, though takes an age to initially boot. However, much like
using a laptop I don't actually reboot the PCs at all, I just save
their state on quit and restore their state on startup.
Better solution than a real PC for me because of laptop use. I do a lot
of my accounting work on the train, where lugging both a Powerbook and
a PC laptop is not feasible. Also, I like having backups of the entire
PC to hand, ready to go if something should happen to my working image.
You could do that with Ghost and re-image a real PC, but it still
wouldn't be as fast or convenient as just copying over a VPC disk image.
I also run Ubuntu on it - this is less successful because of the
somewhat feeble emulated graphics card. X11 runs like a dog, but
text-based stuff is fine. I -very- rarely start this image up though -
it's just there in case I need to try something I've written under OS X.
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Ian