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Verizon FIOS Mac speed question.

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asahitoro@nospam.com - 25 Jun 2005 03:21 GMT
I just got Verizon's FIOS fiber optic internet service.  So far it is
great.  It came with a DL speed of 5 Mb/s and I paid an additional $10
per month to upgrade to 15 Mb/s.  Well, I'm only getting about 3.5-4.5
Mb/s.  The tech who didn't understand Macs said that there is an
optimizer (exe. type app) for Windows to get 15 Mb/s but he was unsure
how to optimize a Mac to take advantage of the full 15 Mb/s.  Does
anyone know how to 'open up' my G4 733 DA to 15 Mb/s capability?  I'm
running OS 10.3.9.  Do I need to go into the terminal or can I just do
it through my system preferences?  Oh, I'm hard wired into a D-Link
DI-614+ wireless router but that shouldn't matter because I'm wired
directly in.  Hopefully my wireless connections can get that speed as
well since the router is capable of 22 Mb/s .  Verizon actually uses
D-Link routers for those who don't already have a router.

One more question.  What's the latest, good (lots of groups/good binary
retention) news server?  I used to use Giganews but got rid of it
because my Roadrunner server met my needs for free.  The Verizon server
may not meet my needs (haven't used it a lot yet to see) so I'm just
looking for opinions on where to look if I have to.

Thanks for any advice,

Scott
Charles Bouldin - 25 Jun 2005 12:31 GMT
> I just got Verizon's FIOS fiber optic internet service.  So far it is
> great.  It came with a DL speed of 5 Mb/s and I paid an additional $10
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>
> Scott

I have the "slow" FIOS service and I love it. Reliable and fast.

First, my advice is to drop back to the 5 Mb/sec service unless you plan
to run a server. There's very little benefit to the faster service
since, for single sources, ie, web pages, you're just going to be
limited by a bottleneck on the server end or somewhere else on the net.

Second, if you're hardwired with 10/T ethernet, then you won't ever go
faster than 10 mebabits/second anyway, and typically you'll only get
half that. You need 100/T to have any chance of benefiting from 15
Mb/sec.

Third, to answer the tcp/ip tuning question, see versiontracker for
IPNetTuner. Tinkertool System will also do network tuning. There are
terminal commands that will do the same thing, but it is complicated.
Finally, see "Broadband Optimizer" on versiontracker, which is free and
probably just what you want.

Fourth, for the way most people use the internet, DNS latency is as (or
more) important than raw bandwidth. There are things you can do to try
and reduce latency, but they are complex and I've never been convinced
they help anyway.

The synopsis here is that -every- point in the communications pipe has
to be set up for high speed or you'll just be limited by a different
bottleneck. I think that some (probably most) of the bottlenecks are
beyond your control anyway, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
D. Kirkpatrick - 25 Jun 2005 15:54 GMT
> Second, if you're hardwired with 10/T ethernet, then you won't ever go
> faster than 10 mebabits/second anyway, and typically you'll only get
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> Finally, see "Broadband Optimizer" on versiontracker, which is free and
> probably just what you want.

Any suggestions for those of us still operating an OS9 box?

DMK
Charles Bouldin - 25 Jun 2005 17:04 GMT
> > Second, if you're hardwired with 10/T ethernet, then you won't ever go
> > faster than 10 mebabits/second anyway, and typically you'll only get
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>
> DMK

I believe there is still an OS9 version of IPNetTuner.

Just curious, why are you still on OS9?
D. Kirkpatrick - 25 Jun 2005 22:44 GMT
> I believe there is still an OS9 version of IPNetTuner.
>
> Just curious, why are you still on OS9?

Its a beige G3 desktop and I am heavily invested in SCSI peripherals.

I don't have the $$ for an upgrade that would allow me to run OS X and
even then there are limitations that an upgrade processor would have.

It actually runs quite nicely.

We also have Win boxes here to.  An older 95 and a relatively new XP.  
I use the Mac for most on-line stuff.  

We have all 3 systems on a 10/100 ethernet that are hard wired in the
same room back to a router and from there to a DSL modem.
Me - 25 Jun 2005 19:36 GMT
> > Second, if you're hardwired with 10/T ethernet, then you won't ever go
> > faster than 10 mebabits/second anyway, and typically you'll only get
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>
> DMK

Buy a 10/100bT Nic and install it in one of your PCI slots,
and hope you actually have enough processor power to actually
run your IP Stack fast enough to read 15MBs input data stream.

Me
D. Kirkpatrick - 25 Jun 2005 22:45 GMT
> Buy a 10/100bT Nic and install it in one of your PCI slots,
> and hope you actually have enough processor power to actually
> run your IP Stack fast enough to read 15MBs input data stream.

Well the processor chip will be the gating factor.
Jerry Kindall - 25 Jun 2005 18:25 GMT
> Fourth, for the way most people use the internet, DNS latency is as (or
> more) important than raw bandwidth. There are things you can do to try
> and reduce latency, but they are complex and I've never been convinced
> they help anyway.

One thing you can do is use a router with quality of service features
that allows you to prioritize different types of packets on the
outbound pipe.  I just got a D-Link DGL-4300.  It's a "gaming router"
but don't let that fool you; it's actually useful.  You can easily
prioritize port 53 requests to speed DNS resolution, prioritize your
Vonage ATA so you don't get VOIP breakups, etc.  The router will
actually break up large packets if higer-priority packets are waiting.
Nice piece of gear.

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James D. Beard - 25 Jun 2005 15:09 GMT
> I just got Verizon's FIOS fiber optic internet service.  So far it is
> great.  It came with a DL speed of 5 Mb/s and I paid an additional $10
> per month to upgrade to 15 Mb/s.  Well, I'm only getting about 3.5-4.5
> Mb/s.  

One problem is that the Mac by default sets ethernet MTU to
1500.  The PPPoE Verizon uses claims 8 bytes, and each packet
then has to be transmitted as two packets by the router.
You have to do some manual configuration to set MTU to 1492
(or 1456  - I have seen this recommended, but do not know why).

This probably will not get you a huge improvement though.
A second problem is the internet itself.  How are you measuring
your speed?  The speed-test server may not be able to test to
15 MB, and network connections from there to your machine may
not handle such high speeds.  One connection that has a max
or 5 or 6 MB for any reason, and you are bottlenecked at
5 or 6 MB.

Note that the speed-test server and the nature of the links
traversed is more important than distance.  I am physically
located close to MAE-East and if I test using a computer
close to MAE-West I may get much faster transfers Northern
Virginia-Silicon Valley than if I access a computer in
Richmond 100 miles away.  There are some computers in Chicago
that respond quite well, too, while the UK speed-test
servers may bounce all over the place, depending on network
congestion on the link across the pond.

YMMV.

jim b.
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Mark Edwards - 26 Jun 2005 08:16 GMT
> I just got Verizon's FIOS fiber optic internet service.  So far it is
> great.  It came with a DL speed of 5 Mb/s and I paid an additional $10
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>
> Scott

As someone else recommended Broadband Optimizer is the way to go.  It
will run the terminal commands needed automatically.  I have seen Fios
for myself in action on the wintel side.  Very impressive indeed.  I
have Comcast gold service which clips along at 6mbps.  I was averaging
about 2.5mbps before using BBO which took me up to over 5mbps.  My
neighborhood was just recently  fiber wired and I definitely intend to
give it a shot once we are offered service.  I have a dual 867 mirrored
door G4 with 100T so I expect to get full throttle from 15mbps.  As for
news servers I would go back to Giganews.  That's what I use and I find
their reliability and retention unsurpassed.

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