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Mac Forum / General / Networking / April 2005Best anti-spam Email program
I'm getting half a dozen spams a day selling pharmaceuticals of various sorts and Eudora 6.2 will not recognize them as junk. In addition to the random word strings that spammers put into emails, in these particular ones the body contents always contain exactly the same advertisment, right down to graphics, colors, font choices and language. What it seems that Eudora restricts itself to looking at are the subject and sender lines. Eudora has missed every spam (and I've marked dozens of them as junk), all the while managing to transfer legit email to the junk mailbox with abandon. Is there an email client out there for OSX 10.3.8 that can handle multiple accounts AND check the corpus of an email and recognize features that you have specified as junk? Thanks for responding. Have you tried Mail.app?  SignatureThomas A. Russ, USC/Information Sciences Institute > Have you tried Mail.app? They get through there too now, even when checking a SpamCop account! I guess the spammers are getting smarter :-( SignatureAndy Hewitt ** FAF#1, (Ex-OSOS#5) - FJ1200 ABS Honda Civic: Windows free zone (Mac G5 Dual Processor) http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/thehewitts2/index.htm (updated Feb 21 2005) > > Have you tried Mail.app? > > They get through there too now, even when checking a SpamCop account! > > I guess the spammers are getting smarter :-( Spam Sieve in conjucntion with mail.app http://c-command.com/spamsieve/ > > > Have you tried Mail.app? > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > http://c-command.com/spamsieve/ I use a SpamCop account with Mail.app, and SpamCop also has Spam Assassin enabled. It doesn't let much through. SignatureAndy Hewitt ** FAF#1, (Ex-OSOS#5) - FJ1200 ABS Honda Civic: Windows free zone (Mac G5 Dual Processor) http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/thehewitts2/index.htm (updated Feb 21 2005) > mailbox with abandon. Is there an email client out there for OSX 10.3.8 > that can handle multiple accounts AND check the corpus of an email and > recognize features that you have specified as junk? Thanks for > responding. I use mail.app on three accounts, two pop accounts in my ISP's shell account and my .mac account on the Web. SignaturePhil Stripling | email to the replyto address is presumed The Civilized Explorer | spam and read later. email from this URL http://www.cieux.com/ | http://www.civex.com/ is read daily. In article <mr.insister-66954C.11590019042005@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, > I'm getting half a dozen spams a day selling pharmaceuticals of various > sorts and Eudora 6.2 will not recognize them as junk. In addition to the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > recognize features that you have specified as junk? Thanks for > responding. I have a friend on Comcast and he gets spam daily too. It gets tiring setting filters all the time when your ISP *should* be managing that for you. Is there something you need to do to engage Comcast filtering that you have not done? You are using a firewall, right? OTOH, there isn't much an ISP can do to protect you if you are advertising your email address on the web or on usenet. Even if you've only done it a few times, it will haunt you for a very long time. I have never had to set a single filter on Mail.app since I switched over to my current ISP. Madeleine I am on comcast and if they have filtering I've never heard about it. Do you have more info on this? I use the OSX firewall but don't have any rules established. I don't know if it filters for content. I'm very circumspect about where I park my email address but it only takes one disreputable dealer to get the ball rolling. I have set up several dummy email accounts on comcast which I have not used once just to see if they would get spam and they did. > > I'm getting half a dozen spams a day selling pharmaceuticals of various > > sorts and Eudora 6.2 will not recognize them as junk. In addition to the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Madeleine In article <mr.insister-70DCD5.15551819042005@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, > I am on comcast and if they have filtering I've never heard about it. Do > you have more info on this? They've had Brightmail spam filtering for a long time. Login to www.comcast.net, click on "My Account", and then click on "Enable or disable spam filters". SignatureBarry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me *** > I have a friend on Comcast and he gets spam daily too. It gets tiring > setting filters all the time when your ISP *should* be managing that for > you. Is there something you need to do to engage Comcast filtering that ISPs are best used for what they are good at - providing connectivity. You want good mail service, use a specialist mail service provider, not your ISP. I recommend Fastmail.FM, but there are others which are also excellent. > I have never had to set a single filter on Mail.app since I switched > over to my current ISP. One shouldn't have to set much in the way of filters for Mail.app anyway. It's got built-in learning systems to recognize spam on its own. All one has to do is when one sees spam in one's inbox, hit the "this is spam" button. Over time, it gets quite good at detecting spam. SignaturePlain Bread alone for e-mail, thanks. The rest gets trashed. No HTML in E-Mail! -- http://www.expita.com/nomime.html Are you posting responses that are easy for others to follow? http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/2000/06/14/quoting > > I have a friend on Comcast and he gets spam daily too. It gets tiring > > setting filters all the time when your ISP *should* be managing that for > > you. Is there something you need to do to engage Comcast filtering that > > ISPs are best used for what they are good at - providing > connectivity. Telephone companies provide good connectivity as well but we do not expect the phone to ring every time some jerk wants to mass advertise the latest mortgage or drug deal. A good ISP that offers email with its service should also provide a measure of security against those kinds of spammers but the customer also has a responsibility to not post his address all over the internet. It's quite simple really. When given a choice, users will opt for more security as long as the prices are comparable. Perhaps some cable companies like Comcast don't provide reasonable protection because they have a monopoly on the local cable market. They only do what they have to do. > You want good mail service, use a specialist mail service > provider, not your ISP. I recommend Fastmail.FM, but there > are others which are also excellent. The nearest cable provider where I live charges $80. a month for *basic* service. (You cannot get just internet) How many people can afford to pay that and then have to get a separate email (or Usenet) provider as well? Sorry, but I think your idea is unrealistic for most people. Madeleine > I'm getting half a dozen spams a day selling pharmaceuticals of various > sorts and Eudora 6.2 will not recognize them as junk. In addition to the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > recognize features that you have specified as junk? Thanks for > responding. I use 'SpamFire' (http://www.matterform.com/?page=spamfire/), which works very well. It's not an email program, but sits between the mail server and your email program. It gets your mail, filters all spam and sends the rest to your regular email program, so you can keep using Eudora. SignatureJohan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.nl/ In article <mr.insister-66954C.11590019042005@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, > I'm getting half a dozen spams a day selling pharmaceuticals of various > sorts and Eudora 6.2 will not recognize them as junk. In addition to the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > recognize features that you have specified as junk? Thanks for > responding. Add SpamSieve to Eudora - works like a charm Marc SignatureSwitzerland/Europe <http://www.heusser.com> remove CHEERS and from MERCIAL to get valid e-mail > In article > <mr.insister-66954C.11590019042005@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Add SpamSieve to Eudora - works like a charm A goodly proportion of those pharmaceuticals spams use a MIME-encoded GIF or JPG image do deliver the actual content, so that there isn't a whole lot in the text body of the spam to subject to the kind of content filtering used in many "spam recognition" applications. Have a look at the raw email content to see if this is the case with the ones getting through. You may need to implement a filter which diverts such emails if you don't want to see them. > A goodly proportion of those pharmaceuticals spams use a MIME-encoded > GIF or JPG image do deliver the actual content, so that there isn't a And SpamAssassin recognizes that a mail message with nothing but gibberish text and an inline (or externally linked) image is probably spam. It's amazingly good at it. SignaturePlain Bread alone for e-mail, thanks. The rest gets trashed. No HTML in E-Mail! -- http://www.expita.com/nomime.html Are you posting responses that are easy for others to follow? http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/2000/06/14/quoting > > In article > > <mr.insister-66954C.11590019042005@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > ones getting through. You may need to implement a filter which diverts > such emails if you don't want to see them. You seem not to have had a look at SpamSieve - it's quite good at peeking inside the usual tricks, and sometimes exactly the measures taken to hide content trip its filter - it does work on the whole message, including all MIME content and all headers. Plus it uses sound mathematical calculation of real probabilities, based on your good e-mail - something a spammer cannot possibly know and makes each individuals filter different, therefore hard to circumvent. But have a look at it, the evaluation is free - and see for yourself. HTH Marc SignatureSwitzerland/Europe <http://www.heusser.com> remove CHEERS and from MERCIAL to get valid e-mail I checked and they are MIME-encoded. If you don't mind one more response, where and how would I implement such a filter? OSX's firewall? Third party spam catchers? I can't see any such capability in my searches through Eudora's preference settings. > A goodly proportion of those pharmaceuticals spams use a MIME-encoded > GIF or JPG image do deliver the actual content, so that there isn't a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ones getting through. You may need to implement a filter which diverts > such emails if you don't want to see them. In article <mr.insister-05C5B8.08390320042005@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, > I checked and they are MIME-encoded. If you don't mind one more > response, where and how would I implement such a filter? OSX's firewall? > Third party spam catchers? I can't see any such capability in my > searches through Eudora's preference settings. By all means have a look at http://c-command.com/spamsieve/ Some of the content that trips my filter: Word Spam Good Total Prob. Last Used to:webmaster@ 1909 0 1909 1.000 04/20/05 R:^78^131 1064 0 1064 1.000 04/20/05 XM:MicrosoftOutlookExpress6.00.2462.0000 472 0 472 1.000 04/18/05 U:h 444 0 444 1.000 04/20/05 ^fake-open-k 282 0 282 1.000 03/09/05 ^fg-ff00ff 240 0 240 1.000 02/14/05 All you have to give it is a few hundred good and bad messages marked as such. Afterwards you only tell it if it goes wrong. That's it. My current statistics for this year are 126 Spam messages per day, 90% Spam, 0 false positives, 0 false negatives. HTH Marc SignatureSwitzerland/Europe <http://www.heusser.com> remove CHEERS and from MERCIAL to get valid e-mail > In article > <mr.insister-05C5B8.08390320042005@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > My current statistics for this year are 126 Spam messages per day, 90% > Spam, 0 false positives, 0 false negatives. I'm using Netscape 7.2 which is not listed on the spamsieve website as supported. Can Spamsieve be run with Netscape 7.2? Also, Netscape has a filter that seems to be intended to function similar to how Spamsieve is described to function but after hundreds of markings, I still occasionally get goodmail showing up in the junk folder. Unfortunately, all of them have been important mail so I'm constantly forced to always scan the stupid junk mail folder looking for needles in the haystack since there is so much "hay". I would like to know if Spamsieve is really that much better or not. SignatureJeff Wiseman to reply, just remove ALLTHESPAM Thanks Marc and everyone for the help. And I thought I was suffering with 6 spams a day. In article <marc.heusser-0E1339.21122020042005@idnews.unizh.ch>, Marc Heusser <marc.heusser@CHEERSheusser.comMERCIALSPAMMERS.invalid> wrote: > In article > <mr.insister-05C5B8.08390320042005@comcast.dca.giganews.com>, [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Marc > A goodly proportion of those pharmaceuticals spams use a MIME-encoded > GIF or JPG image do deliver the actual content, so that there isn't a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ones getting through. You may need to implement a filter which diverts > such emails if you don't want to see them. Your main filter should be "anything which isn't 'to' or 'cc' to me is spam, unless I know the source." Then add filters for mailing lists. SignatureThough I've tried, I've fallen... / I have sunk so low I have messed up / Better I should know In article <mr.insister-66954C.11590019042005@comcast.dca.giganews.com> , > Is there an email client out there for OSX 10.3.8 > that can handle multiple accounts AND check the corpus of an email and > recognize features that you have specified as junk? Thanks for > responding. Spam Sieve with Mailsmith for me. > Spam Sieve with Mailsmith for me. That's the BEST way. No freaking HTTP tricks work at ALL. SignatureThough I've tried, I've fallen... / I have sunk so low I have messed up / Better I should know |
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