Accessing Windows file server - AppleTalk configuration help

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Grunff - 17 Sep 2004 20:24 GMT

Hi all,

I'll start off by owning up to the fact that I know very little about
macs. I deal almost exclusively with PCs (win and linux). So please bear
with me.

We're trying to get an iMac (running OS 9.2) to access a W2000 shared
drive. This is what we've done so far:

1. Installed AppleTalk as a protocol on the W2000 machine
2. Assigned the mac with an ip address, subnet and gateway
3. Activated AppleTalk on the mac
4. Tested that the mac can browse the web - it can fine
5. Tried to access the network using the "netwok access" tool but to no
avail
6. Typed in the IP address of the server, but again no joy. It says
server not found.

Have I missed a vital step? If not, where can I start troubleshooting
this? As I said, I know very little about macs, so it would be much
appreciated if you give detailed instructions for any suggested procedures.

I don't have access to the machine now, so won't be able to try out your
suggestions until Monday.

TIA

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Darrell Greenwood - 17 Sep 2004 21:59 GMT

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> Have I missed a vital step?

You were not clear on the network configuration. Can all devices, if
any, between the Mac and the drive, handle Appletalk?

Cheers,

Darrell

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Grunff - 17 Sep 2004 22:06 GMT

>>Have I missed a vital step?
>
> You were not clear on the network configuration. Can all devices, if
> any, between the Mac and the drive, handle Appletalk?

Thanks for your reply. The only device between the Mac and the W2k
server is a 10/100Mbit switch.

Sorry about the lack of detail, happy to answer any Qs you have.

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Mike Cohen - 17 Sep 2004 23:44 GMT

Can't you run OSX instead?

With OSX you don't have to install any AppleTalk extensions on the
server, since it supports SMB natively.

> Hi all,
>
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> TIA

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Grunff - 18 Sep 2004 10:25 GMT

> Can't you run OSX instead?
>
> With OSX you don't have to install any AppleTalk extensions on the
> server, since it supports SMB natively.

As appealing as that is, I'm afraid OSX just isn't an option in this
case (not my machine anyway). But thanks for the suggestion.

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Bob Harris - 18 Sep 2004 01:27 GMT

> Hi all,
>
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>
> TIA

Have you installed the Windows UAM in the
System Folder -> Appleshare Folder
You would need this to be able to correctly log into the windows
Appleshare server. But first you have to find the server.

I know very little about Windows, but I do not think the Windows
Appleshare server uses TCP/IP, so the IP address would not work. I
think it is strictly Appletalk protocol. You would use the "Chooser" or
the "Network Browser" to look for Appleshare file servers via Appletalk.

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Grunff - 18 Sep 2004 10:24 GMT

> Have you installed the Windows UAM in the
> System Folder -> Appleshare Folder
> You would need this to be able to correctly log into the windows
> Appleshare server. But first you have to find the server.

No, I haven't - this is the first time I've seen it mentioned. I'll look
it up, thanks.

> I know very little about Windows, but I do not think the Windows
> Appleshare server uses TCP/IP, so the IP address would not work. I
> think it is strictly Appletalk protocol. You would use the "Chooser" or
> the "Network Browser" to look for Appleshare file servers via Appletalk.

Yes, I'm beginning to uderstand this. But using the network browser I
saw nothing.

I'm leaning towards the idea of sticking an ftp client on the Mac, and
running an ftp server on the PC. Know a good mac ftp client that will
work on 9.2?

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Bob Harris - 18 Sep 2004 15:52 GMT

> > Have you installed the Windows UAM in the
> > System Folder -> Appleshare Folder
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> running an ftp server on the PC. Know a good mac ftp client that will
> work on 9.2?

You could look into "Dave" from Thursby Software http://thursby.com
which if they area still offering the Mac OS 9 version would allow you
to connect to Window's Shares. Of course that is commercial software.

Fetch 3.0.3 was free for personal use and was very good on Mdc OS 9, but
I don't know if you can find it. The commercial version 4 of fetch is
available.

I would start at http://www.macorchard.com/ and click on the "FTP" link
at the bottom of the page. Then look for FTP utilities that have
PowerMac versions.

Another source would be to search http://versiontracker.com/macos and
search for "ftp".

Depending on the type of file you are going to transfer, you may have to
select the right conversion/non-conversion options. For example, some
ftp clients will attempt to convert text files to use Macintosh line
termination, but you do not want to do that for binary files or things
like Microsoft Word documents. If you are transferring Mac files for
storage on the Windows box, you want to sent it as a binhex file or
maybe a StuffIt archive, or even a ZIP archive.

If you can get the Windows services for Macintosh to work, it would give
you more flexibility than an ftp client.

Bob Harris

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Mike Cohen - 21 Sep 2004 01:20 GMT

You could also use DAVE on the Mac.

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Bev A. Kupf - 18 Sep 2004 13:18 GMT

> 1. Installed AppleTalk as a protocol on the W2000 machine

This is insufficient. You also have to install or start SFM
on the Win2K machine (SFM = services for macintosh)

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