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Adilson Soares Jr. - 01 Oct 2003 19:37 GMT
Hello,

Where can I get the lastest version of Mozilla for Mac OS 9?

Will I need to compile?

Thanks for any help.

Sorry for the bad english. :-) I'm from Brazil.

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user@domain.invalid - 01 Oct 2003 21:47 GMT
> Where can I get the lastest version of Mozilla for Mac OS 9?

You can get official Mozilla 1.2.x for Mac OS 9 from
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla

This was the last official Mozilla release for the Classic Mac OS,
and there will never be any newer versions for OS 9.

There is an unofficial release based on 1.3.1 available, though.
To get this release, go to http://www.t3.rim.or.jp/~harunaga/mozilla-macos9/

The other choice is to get Wamcom, a slightly modified Mozilla 1.3:
http://wamcom.org/20030624/

> Will I need to compile?

No, you don't need to. But you can, if you wish.

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Adilson Soares Jr. - 02 Oct 2003 14:50 GMT
Thanks very much for your answer.

But why there's a version of the lastest build of mozilla for other
operating systems like AIX, Irix, OS/2...?

Wow, who uses OS/2????????

There's much more people using Mac OS 9 than this other OS's. I believe. :-)

Thanks again.

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Em 01.10.2003 05:47 PM, "user@domain.invalid.netscape.com"


>> Where can I get the lastest version of Mozilla for Mac OS 9?
>
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>
> No, you don't need to. But you can, if you wish.
user@domain.invalid - 02 Oct 2003 23:48 GMT
> But why there's a version of the lastest build of mozilla for other
> operating systems like AIX, Irix, OS/2...?

AIX and OS/2 are systems developed by IBM and IBM employs some
Mozilla developers.

AIX and Irix are Unix systems (OS 9 is not), just like Linux and
Solaris. The code doesn't need so many changes as it would if
Mozilla was still developed for Classic Mac OS.

> Wow, who uses OS/2????????

I know some people who do. ;)

> There's much more people using Mac OS 9 than this other OS's. I believe. :-)

AIX and Irix are very important in corporate environments.
And, as I said, IBM cares about Mozilla more than Apple, so
they even port it to the maybe-obsolete OS/2...

If you want to run 1.4, 1.5, 1.6 or *bird on a Mac, you have to
upgrade to Mac OS X or Linux/PPC (such as YellowDog or Mandrake).

The latter is better if you use some older New-World-Macs that
are to slow to run OS X.

The unofficial 1.3 is still the best browser for OS 9
(when compared to really old IE 5.1x and Opera 6).

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Adilson Soares Jr. - 03 Oct 2003 23:41 GMT
Em 02.10.2003 07:48 PM, "user@domain.invalid.netscape.com"

>> But why there's a version of the lastest build of mozilla for other
>> operating systems like AIX, Irix, OS/2...?
>
> AIX and OS/2 are systems developed by IBM and IBM employs some
> Mozilla developers.

That's it...:-)

> AIX and Irix are Unix systems (OS 9 is not), just like Linux and
> Solaris. The code doesn't need so many changes as it would if
> Mozilla was still developed for Classic Mac OS.

OK, I understand.

>> Wow, who uses OS/2????????
>
> I know some people who do. ;)

I know one, and only one, guy who tries. :-)

>> There's much more people using Mac OS 9 than this other OS's. I believe. :-)
>
> AIX and Irix are very important in corporate environments.
> And, as I said, IBM cares about Mozilla more than Apple, so
> they even port it to the maybe-obsolete OS/2...

Apple has now Safari. It's a good browser, but just run in OS X, like
Mozilla. :-(

I think Mozilla is a good and the best choice for who still uses OS 9. If it
had the last version, of course.

> If you want to run 1.4, 1.5, 1.6 or *bird on a Mac, you have to
> upgrade to Mac OS X or Linux/PPC (such as YellowDog or Mandrake).

I use OS X in my house, in an old iMac 333. But I have and work with a very
old powerbook G3 233 without cache and passive matrix screen. :-P Jaguar is
very very slow in my PB.

In Brazil, mac's are very expensive. We can't buy a mac every year.

> The latter is better if you use some older New-World-Macs that
> are to slow to run OS X.
>
> The unofficial 1.3 is still the best browser for OS 9
> (when compared to really old IE 5.1x and Opera 6).

Where's the mac community that still uses the MacOS9?
Why they do not make a good version for the classic?

This is my question.  Do you understand?

Sorry for the bad english (I speak portuguese) and thanks for your answer.

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Charles Martin - 06 Oct 2003 01:21 GMT
> Thanks very much for your answer.
>
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>
> There's much more people using Mac OS 9 than this other OS's. I believe. :-)

This is true. Heck, there's more people using "old" Mac OS than people
using OS X -- or Linux for that matter.

However, the rationale here is that OS 9 and earlier are "dead." There
are a lot of people speaking Latin these days (mostly devout Catholics
and bored schoolchildren) but that doesn't mean Latin is staging a
comeback.

Inasmuch as no further dev work is being done on OS 9, the decision was
taken (correctly, in my view) to cease expending the time and $$ needed
to continue development. By the time Longhorn actually comes out, Mac OS
X will have around 50% share of the Mac base, and that will go up slowly
as the years roll on. Mac OS X is the future of Mac development, so it
makes sense to focus on that.
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daa - 06 Oct 2003 02:09 GMT
>>Thanks very much for your answer.
>>
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>>
>>There's much more people using Mac OS 9 than this other OS's. I believe. :-)

the problem is that to support codeWarrier every mozilla developer
that made any changes to the tree structure ( add/move/remove files
or options) had to either have a Mac with CW7 on it or find some Mac
developer that did so that the CW7 build control files could be updated

this was a constant problem and only got worse once most of the Mac
developers started moving to MacOSX and gcc to build

early on in teh mozilla development process Mac/Windowsand Unix each
had seperate build files (Makefiles on win32 and *ix and CW7 project
fiels on Mac) even before OSX appeared the build follks had mad the
win32 programmers switch to share common Makefiles with *ix. once that
happened only MacCW7 had an unique build system, but it was all that
CW7 supported, when OSX appeared with it's *ix based compilers and buld
tools the Mac joined all the other OSs and used the common makefiles

some time later support for CW7 was dropped and a couple of months after
that all the CW7 control files were removed from the tree ( they were
so outdated that they couldn't build the tree anyway

dave
 
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