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Fusion - 29 Oct 2005 15:24 GMT
Having searched through suitable Macintosh related newsgroups and seeing
that many of them aren't very active I'm wondering if there are any more
active web-forums for the topics I want to discuss.

Any good recommendations for forums where I can ask about:

1) video editing on the Mac (choice of video hardware and software etc.)
2) Mac hard-drives (choice of enclosure and hard-drive mechanism)
3) Making music (serious hobby/semi-pro) on the Mac

Note: I don't need a single forum to discuss all of these things!
Several forums will probably be even better.

Thanks.
Bmer - 30 Oct 2005 04:55 GMT
> Having searched through suitable Macintosh related newsgroups and seeing
> that many of them aren't very active I'm wondering if there are any more
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>
> Thanks.

Mac Owners Support Group
~ An Apple User Group ~
URL: http://MacOSG.com
Mike - 30 Oct 2005 17:25 GMT
> Having searched through suitable Macintosh related newsgroups and
> seeing that many of them aren't very active I'm wondering if there are
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Thanks.

I don't know about the specific topics you mention, but historically,
most of the action
goes on in mailing lists, and groups whose names don't have 'mac' in
them. Go for the
topic, and see what the Mac (versus Windoze) presence is. For example,
in many of the
image-related groups, you've got a lot of average PC users; in others,
you've got the Mac
people.

Mailing lists are big, as far as Mac users go. Start at
<http://lists.apple.com>.
Mitch - 30 Oct 2005 20:05 GMT
> 1) video editing on the Mac (choice of video hardware and software etc.)
How professional is the project?
Apple has made low-end work easy and you can use anything. And there
are certainly stepped offering for editors, all of which get fine
reviews and commentary.
As far as recorder controlling and finer issues of output, I suggest
you go to a magazine site. No point getting anecdotal evidence when the
details can be more important.

> 2) Mac hard-drives (choice of enclosure and hard-drive mechanism)
I'm quite happy with the LaCie 250 GB Porsche drive I got. I'll get
another. They were selling for US$170 last year. Not Firewire 800 in
this model, though, only 400.

> 3) Making music (serious hobby/semi-pro) on the Mac
You'll find that lots of pro musician sites are well-informed about
using Mac. I also suggest web sites rather than newsgroups, start with
the magazine sites.
In other words, don't restrict that interest to Mac; it's main subject
is the music.
Stephen C. - 31 Oct 2005 19:47 GMT
> Having searched through suitable Macintosh related newsgroups and seeing
> that many of them aren't very active I'm wondering if there are any more
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>
> 1) video editing on the Mac (choice of video hardware and software etc.)

For video editing software you have three choices. iMovie, Final Cut Express,
and Final Cut Pro. All are made by Apple. iMovie is fine for personal
projects like birthdays, vacations, etc. It does sometimes have some bugs,
mostly minor, depending on which ones you end up getting, if any. Most people
have no bugs, but YMMV. Yahoo has a newsgroup where people who write books
for iMovie hang out. If you want to use iMovie, this is a good place to
search for past answers in the archives, or post questions if you can't find
the answer in the archives. The list name is: iMovie-List within Yahoo
Groups. iMovies pros are low cost and ease of use, low learning curve. Cons
are some bugs.

Final Cut Pro is a professional grade AV editing program. It is expensive,
and has a steep learning curve. But not many bugs. Commercial films have been
made entirely with this product. Final Cut Express is a lite version,
somewhat cheaper, with reduced functionality.

Hardware. I've made a 1.5 hour movie of a trip to Antartica using just iMovie
and a 366mhz G3 iBook. So pretty much any modern Mac hardware will work. When
adding special effects, and burning to a dvd, the slower the hardware, the
longer it takes to accomplish the task. For example, each second of video
footage has 30 still frames. So when you add a title to the opening sequence,
the machine has to render the changes to each frame of each second. Burning a
30 minute movie to dvd can take hours. So get the fastest hardware you can
afford, and make sure that you have equipment that will do what you want. For
movies that I make I edit them in iMovie, then export them back to a digital
camera. Then I make copies from the camera to either vhs or a dvd burner.
Most people like to burn to dvd directly from their Mac. For this you will
need the program iDvd, and and it is best to have a machine that has an
original equipment dvd burner. If you don't have iDvd and an original
equipment dvd burner, you can still burn to dvds, but you will need Toast,
and an external dvd burner. iDvd will not work with most external dvd
burners.

> 2) Mac hard-drives (choice of enclosure and hard-drive mechanism)

There are several HD manufacturers around. I buy Seagate products, because
their stuff is fast, quiet, and has a five year warranty. No other
manufacturer has this long of a warranty. The enclosure, if it is purchased
separately, is of less concern, as long as it has the correct type of
connections. USB, USB 2.0, firewire, etc.

> 3) Making music (serious hobby/semi-pro) on the Mac

Check out Apple's Garage Band software. You'll like it.

> Note: I don't need a single forum to discuss all of these things!
> Several forums will probably be even better.
>
> Thanks.
Fusion - 31 Oct 2005 20:19 GMT
>>1) video editing on the Mac (choice of video hardware and software etc.)
>
> For video editing software you have three choices. iMovie, Final Cut Express,
> and Final Cut Pro.

Yup, I've heard about all of them, and played around with an old version
of iMovie on an old Mac, but didn't have any Firewire card on that
machine, so I only got to play around with the video cuts that came with
it. Fun and easy to use!

I'm going to buy a 15" Powerbook G4 (the one that was released a couple
of weeks ago), just waiting for a local Apple store to open.

What I'm thinking is that I can see if iMovie does what I want it to
when it comes to editing my videos, and if it doesn't I'll buy Final cut
express. I just hope that I can continue with all the stuff I've worked
on so far from iMovie instead of having to start from scratch because
they use a different file-format.
Anyone know if Final cut express can import files from iMovie?

Oh, I also heard about another free video editor called "Avid free DV"
(http://www.avid.com/freedv/index.asp), but I know nothing about it. Is
it comparable to Final cut express in some ways, a step up from iMovie,
or is it a free competitor to iMovie?

> Hardware. I've made a 1.5 hour movie of a trip to Antartica using just iMovie
> and a 366mhz G3 iBook. So pretty much any modern Mac hardware will work.

Awesome!
A 1.67 GHz Powerbook G4 should do wonders then!

> When
> adding special effects, and burning to a dvd, the slower the hardware, the
> longer it takes to accomplish the task.

I'm sure that if you did well with a 366 MHz G3 iBook I'll do very well
with the Powerbook :-)
Probably a lot less waiting.

> For
> movies that I make I edit them in iMovie, then export them back to a digital
> camera. Then I make copies from the camera to either vhs or a dvd burner.
> Most people like to burn to dvd directly from their Mac. For this you will
> need the program iDvd, and and it is best to have a machine that has an
> original equipment dvd burner.

The Powerbook has a built-in dual layer DVD burner and I think iDVD
comes with the computer, so I should be fine.
However, in the long run I might buy an external DVD burner to save tear
and wear on the internal drive etc. At least now I know I'll have to
include the cost of additional DVD-burner software.

>>2) Mac hard-drives (choice of enclosure and hard-drive mechanism)
>
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> separately, is of less concern, as long as it has the correct type of
> connections. USB, USB 2.0, firewire, etc.

Firewire 800 is probably the way to go since the Powerbook has Firewire
800 ports, so why not use it!
As for the type of drive mechanism. Should I look for SATA, ATA, IDE or
what? I'm not quite as clueless as I sound, because I know they don't
use SCSI any longer ;-)

What about the size of the drive?
I believe I heard somewhere that mini-DV video uses approx 13 GB of hard
drive space for every hour (together with its audio tracks of course).
If this is correct I should probably do fine with a 300 or 400 GB drive
for video as well as audio use (I'm referring to multi-track music
studio recording here, not the audio of the video). Would that give me
plenty of space?
 
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