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About defragging a Mac Pro

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Danny - 04 Sep 2008 06:44 GMT
Hi again. Two part question:

1  What's a recommended app for defragging a Mac Pro?
2  How do you know if your machine is continuing to defrag itself, or
has for some reason just decided to hang forever and ever?

It really made me nervous (read Horrified) when I defragged one a
couple years ago and it took 4 days before giving me my computer back.
You know what I mean? Thanks - Danny
Stephen C. - 04 Sep 2008 16:19 GMT
> Hi again. Two part question:
>
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> couple years ago and it took 4 days before giving me my computer back.
> You know what I mean? Thanks - Danny

I *believe* that the OS defrags itself when a software update happens, but I
am not sure. If true, then this defrags only the OS. The only program that I
know of which has defrag tools for the whole HD is TechTool Pro.

TechTool Pro and DiskWarrior are the two premier disk utilities programs, and
I highly recommend keeping a copy that matches your OS version of each
program.

TechTool Pro has a progress bar, so as long as progress is being made, I
would think that the machine hasn't hung.

StephenC
JustmeTwo - 05 Sep 2008 07:18 GMT
> > Hi again. Two part question:
> >
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> StephenC

Perfect. Thank you StephenC - Lots!
   Danny
Carl Witthoft - 05 Sep 2008 22:59 GMT
> > > Hi again. Two part question:
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> Perfect. Thank you StephenC - Lots!
>     Danny

OS X "defrags" all the time in the background.   It watches for commonly
used files and gives them allocation priority, and does a bunch of other
stuff.  Google around if you want to know more.

Bottom line:  manual (i.e. using one of those apps) defragging is not
helpful and is just a time-waster.

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Stephen C. - 08 Sep 2008 16:23 GMT
>>>> Hi again. Two part question:
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> Bottom line:  manual (i.e. using one of those apps) defragging is not
> helpful and is just a time-waster.

Carl, I did Google, as you suggested, and did find some circumstances where
manual defragging could be useful, according to Apple.

"Apple's input on the subject is, as usual, less than definite. The company
states explicitly in Knowledge Base article #25668 (published in 2003) that
that "you probably won't need to optimize at all if you use Mac OS X," then
provides instructions for what you should do "if you think you might need to
defragment."
According Apple's advice, there are two scenarios under which you might need
to defragment your drive:
    €    You have many large files (such as digital videos)
    €    Your disk is low on space (i.e. more than 90% full)"

Apparently, OS X is very good at automatically defragging for you. But if
your HD is mostly full, and you put a large file on it, the OS would have no
choice but to split the file. For anyone who wants to read the full article,
it is here:

http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20070301091515843

StephenC
Carl Witthoft - 09 Sep 2008 00:45 GMT
> Carl, I did Google, as you suggested, and did find some circumstances where
> manual defragging could be useful, according to Apple.
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> StephenC

Sounds reasonable to me.   Of course, I'd also advise anyone who's
cranked his disk over 80% full to buy a nice new one which will
undoubtedly be half the price and 5 times the capacity :-)

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Stephen C. - 09 Sep 2008 14:54 GMT
>> Carl, I did Google, as you suggested, and did find some circumstances where
>> manual defragging could be useful, according to Apple.
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> cranked his disk over 80% full to buy a nice new one which will
> undoubtedly be half the price and 5 times the capacity :-)

I agree. Fragged or defragged, I don't like a disk to be that full.
 
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