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DVD+Lightscribe Burner Recommendation?

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HK - 30 Mar 2008 02:41 GMT
I'm shopping for a new external DVD+Lightscriber burner for my MacBook Pro.

I'm new to the Mac world, so...

With DVD burners, is there any particular speed advantage with a
Firewire vs. a USB2 connection? Is this documented anywhere?

Will a "restore" DVD run properly off an external drive for a Mac?

Any recommendations for hardware?

Thanks!
Michael Vilain - 30 Mar 2008 03:39 GMT
> I'm shopping for a new external DVD+Lightscriber burner for my MacBook Pro.
>
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>
> Thanks!

After looking at a bunch of lightscribe drives and the software that
drives them (mostly, it's XP-based), I can't make any recommendations.  
They all suck or the light scribe feature just plain doesn't work right
on a Mac.

You're better off buying an external Firewire or USB2 DVD DL burner
without the Lightscribe feature and using CD Stomper labels (yes, I know
they're not recommended--so use a Sharpie instead).

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billy@MIX.COM - 30 Mar 2008 04:38 GMT
> > With DVD burners, is there any particular speed advantage with a
> > Firewire vs. a USB2 connection? Is this documented anywhere?

Burning DVDs is not something that requires a lot of speed, with
respect to what either can provide, but I prefer firewire anyway.
The biggest problem now is USB is much more popular, due to the
large number of PC users.  But, you can look around
http://www.cooldrives.com/ and find a decent selection of firewire
enclosures.  Apple sells some very nice thin firewire cables that
are a good match with notebook computers.  M8707G/A is a 1.8m 6 pin
to 6 pin, M8708G/A is 0.5m, and M8706G/A is a 1.8m 6 pin to 4 pin.
I've yet to find anything as spiffy in the USB world.

> > Will a "restore" DVD run properly off an external drive for a Mac?

As for firewire (I haven't tried know for USB) - can you put it in
the drive and read it ok?  Yes.  Can you boot it?  I have not tried
that.  Can you burn a disc from the Finder?  Probably not.  I use
Toast and a couple custom apps, all of which work fine.

> > Any recommendations for hardware?

I think Panasonic makes the best drives.  I say this from having
burned a huge number of DVDs in my work.  I don't think they support
burning labels, though.  You may be able to buy a Panasonic drive in
an enclosure - I've been buying them separately.  It is not difficult
to mount a drive in an enclosure...

> You're better off buying an external Firewire or USB2 DVD DL burner
> without the Lightscribe feature and using CD Stomper labels (yes, I
> know   they're not recommended--so use a Sharpie instead).

A Sharpie is the only thing I'll use, too.  The ink is alcohol-based,
so I keep a small bottle of it handy to erase something when need be.
Discs with ink jet printing surfaces do not erase well, everything
else is no problemo - you'll never know it was there, heh..  Labels
can (and for me, have..) cause the disc to get stuck in slot-loading
drives.

Billy Y..
Jolly Roger - 30 Mar 2008 11:47 GMT
> After looking at a bunch of lightscribe drives and the software that
> drives them (mostly, it's XP-based), I can't make any recommendations.

Then why are you making a recommendation? ; )

> They all suck or the light scribe feature just plain doesn't work right
> on a Mac.

Bullshit.

I have the LaCie d2 DVD±RW with LightScribe, and the drive is a pleasure
to use - and LightScribe works great!:

<http://www.lacie.com/us/products/product.htm?pid=11001>

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William A. T. Clark - 30 Mar 2008 14:27 GMT
> > I'm shopping for a new external DVD+Lightscriber burner for my MacBook Pro.
> >
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> without the Lightscribe feature and using CD Stomper labels (yes, I know
> they're not recommended--so use a Sharpie instead).

Yes, LightScribe is so slow that you need to have a really good reason
to use it. I have a LaCie firewire external drive, and I, too, am very
happy with it. But the LightScribe I could pass on.

William Clark
HK - 30 Mar 2008 14:36 GMT
>>> I'm shopping for a new external DVD+Lightscriber burner for my MacBook Pro.
>>>
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>
> William Clark

I like lightscribe, even though the labeling process is slow as
molasses. I haven't been a fan of sticky labels since one ruined a CD
burner of mine a few years ago.
Erik Richard Sørensen - 30 Mar 2008 03:57 GMT
> I'm shopping for a new external DVD+Lightscriber burner for my MacBook Pro.
>
> I'm new to the Mac world, so...
>
> With DVD burners, is there any particular speed advantage with a
> Firewire vs. a USB2 connection? Is this documented anywhere?

Firewire will be the absolute best to use, both in speed and reliability.

> Will a "restore" DVD run properly off an external drive for a Mac?

A Firewire CD/DVD drive will always be bootable on any modern Mac.
Though the new Intel based Macs also can boot from USB 2.0, Firewire 400
or Firewire 800 will be faster and quite a lot more stable.

> Any recommendations for hardware?

Here I'll clearly recommend a LaCie drive. They are reliable and very
robust. - fx. one of these two

Desktop models
http://www.lacie.com/us/products/product.htm?pid=11001 $169.99USd
Includes Roxio Toast Titanium 8 software
http://www.lacie.com/us/products/product.htm?pid=11005 $139,99USd
same drive without Toast titanium 8 software

Or if you want a mobile unit....
http://www.lacie.com/us/products/product.htm?pid=10985 $109,99USd
Firewire, Including Roxio Toast Titanium 8 software

I have such one myself, but mine is a generation older without
LightScribe. It is BUS powered from the Firewire connector, and it works
great.

cheers, Erik Richard

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sbt - 30 Mar 2008 04:08 GMT
> I'm shopping for a new external DVD+Lightscriber burner for my MacBook Pro.
>
> I'm new to the Mac world, so...
>
> With DVD burners, is there any particular speed advantage with a
> Firewire vs. a USB2 connection? Is this documented anywhere?

While the USB2 has a very slightly higher maximum burst speed, Firewire
has better sustained throughput and is recommended for hard drives and
burners. A Google search for "USB vs Firewire Mac" will give you plenty
of documentation.

> Will a "restore" DVD run properly off an external drive for a Mac?

It does on my Macs with my external drives, but it could be dependent
upon the particular drives and connection -- I have LaCie "Porsche"
external burners.

> Any recommendations for hardware?

See above.

> Thanks!

You're welcome.

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Michael Vilain - 30 Mar 2008 09:07 GMT
> > I'm shopping for a new external DVD+Lightscriber burner for my MacBook Pro.
> >
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>
> You're welcome.

I know my PPC system cannot boot from USB disks.  I have a dual
enclosure Maxstore 1-Step drive.  I can plug it into Firewire or USB.  I
can boot off of it when it's plugged into a Firewire port but not a USB
port.  That may just be my system.  I have no idea if the same
restriction applies for Intel systems.

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Jolly Roger - 30 Mar 2008 11:43 GMT
> I'm shopping for a new external DVD+Lightscriber burner for my MacBook Pro.
>
> I'm new to the Mac world, so...

Welcome to the Mac community! We're glad to have you.  : )

> With DVD burners, is there any particular speed advantage with a
> Firewire vs. a USB2 connection? Is this documented anywhere?

USB in inferior to Firewire in many ways, all of which are due to the
fact that USB was originally designed for simplicity and low cost.
Firewire, on the other hand, was designed with high performance in mind,
from the ground up.

USB uses a master-slave paradigm that requires the host computer handle
all scheduling and data flow (resulting in CPU utilization), and where
devices cannot talk directly to each other as a result. Firewire uses a
peer-to-peer architecture where devices can talk directly to each other
without depending on the host computer (resulting in extremely low (or
no) CPU utilization).

One major draw-back for USB is that the slowest device on a USB bus
causes all other devices to communicate at that same slow speed.
Firewire doesn't have this limitation.

Speed isn't the only factor - efficiency and robustness matter. But in
terms of speed, Firewire is faster in real-world use.

> Will a "restore" DVD run properly off an external drive for a Mac?

Absolutely.

> Any recommendations for hardware?

I've had good experiences with the LaCie d2 DVD±RW with LightScribe
drive.

<http://www.lacie.com/us/products/range.htm?id=10014>

Overall, in terms of performance and features, it's been a great drive
and has been a pleasure to own and use.

I did have one problem: I originally bought this drive in June 2006.
Just last month (Feb 2008), the drive stopped recognizing all media
(blank or not) I inserted into the drive. The drive would just sit there
and the media wouldn't ever mount. I contacted LaCie support and it
turns out the drive was dead. Unfortunately, while the drives now come
with a two-year warranty, when I purchased this one in 2006, it came
with a *one-year* warranty. LaCie was nice enough to offer me a
significant discount on a replacement drive, though. They sold me the
one that comes with Toast 8 Titanium (normally $169) for just $99. I
would have preferred if the original drive had not died, of course. Then
again, the new one works well, is faster, and comes with a two-year
warranty. So Im still fairly happy.

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HK - 30 Mar 2008 12:01 GMT
>> I'm shopping for a new external DVD+Lightscriber burner for my MacBook Pro.
>>
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> again, the new one works well, is faster, and comes with a two-year
> warranty. So Im still fairly happy.

There are a couple of vendors selling the unit for under $120...will be
placing an order tomorrow. Thanks much!
Jolly Roger - 30 Mar 2008 12:32 GMT
> There are a couple of vendors selling the unit for under $120...will be
> placing an order tomorrow. Thanks much!

Sure don't mention it - I think you'll be pleased with it.

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billy@MIX.COM - 30 Mar 2008 16:28 GMT
> One major draw-back for USB is that the slowest device on a USB bus
> causes all other devices to communicate at that same slow speed.
> Firewire doesn't have this limitation.

It does if you daisy-chain devices - the slowest one(s) should be
at the end of a chain.  Or, use a hub, which is best, regardless.

Billy Y..
HK - 30 Mar 2008 12:00 GMT
> I'm shopping for a new external DVD+Lightscriber burner for my MacBook Pro.
>
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>
> Thanks!

Thanks for the many responses...appreciate it. Looks like the Lacie unit
is the one to get!
 
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