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Mac Forum / Country Specific / Australian Mac Group / January 2008Where to buy: 10.4 v 10.5 issue
Some outlets have MacBookPros with 10.4, the Apple Store has 10.5. Does anyone have any opinions about * benefits of a 10.5 factory install compared to an upgrade disc or a full retail disc Also: does anyone have any opinions about different outlets (the Apple Store, David Jones, Harris Technology, Next Byte, etc) in relation to: * supply of unopened product (no demonstrators etc) * returnability (ease of), if required * customer service * couriers * purchase terms and conditions Any comments most appreciated! > Some outlets have MacBookPros with 10.4, the Apple Store has 10.5. Does > anyone have any opinions about [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Any comments most appreciated! A 'new' mac with a Tiger disk in the box won't be particularly 'new' stock, will it? Leo's been around for a while now. Personally, I do a fresh (re)install every few months or so; that keeps everything ship-shape, obliges me to keep my data organised, and also means I can do the task almost in my sleep. You're only talking about an hour or so of your time. Having to re-enter your password a dozen or more times can be annoying, but my method ensures I know exactly what's on my Mac. I've bought from the Mac store at UNSW for years, and they are a branch of Computers Now. They've always been good to me. I've heard HORROR STORIES about Next Byte, and that place in Bondi Junction. Well, that's my input Emma > > Some outlets have MacBookPros with 10.4, the Apple Store has 10.5. Does > > anyone have any opinions about [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Personally, I do a fresh (re)install every few months or so; Seriously? That's one of the most bizarre things I've ever heard. Have you reinstalled Leopard yet? You may find that the Migration Assistant (If you use it to rebuild your /Users/) sucks :-( It certainly did for me, and hosed all the permissions (which was only fixable by a terminal command). Andy. > > > Some outlets have MacBookPros with 10.4, the Apple Store has 10.5. Does > > > anyone have any opinions about [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Seriously? That's one of the most bizarre things I've ever heard. In which case I suspect you've led a sheltered life. > > Have you reinstalled Leopard yet? You may find that the Migration > Assistant (If you use it to rebuild your /Users/) sucks :-( It > certainly did for me, and hosed all the permissions (which was only > fixable by a terminal command). > > Andy. No thanks 10.4.10 is the most stable OS I've found for my box. But then I don't believe in Progress either :-) Emma > > > Personally, I do a fresh (re)install every few months or so; > > > > Seriously? That's one of the most bizarre things I've ever heard. > > In which case I suspect you've led a sheltered life. Ha! Hardly. One of the most bizarre computer related things I've heard, then. I think I've used the Tiger DVD twice, it was just so stable. > > > Have you reinstalled Leopard yet? You may find that the Migration > > Assistant (If you use it to rebuild your /Users/) sucks :-( It [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > No thanks 10.4.10 is the most stable OS I've found for my box. But > then I don't believe in Progress either :-) There are times where I wish I was still running 10.4.11 myself :-( Andy. > > > > Personally, I do a fresh (re)install every few months or so; > > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > heard, then. I think I've used the Tiger DVD twice, it was just so > stable. You will excuse my textual smile! But seriously, while I have no problem being considered bizarre, my method works very well for me. I just cannot pass up the chance to try out a new gizmo, and 9 times out of 10 they are useless, so I'm clogged with dog ends everywhere, along with their attendant prefs and plists and Murphy-knows-what invisible files. So I keep a neat-and-tidy Mac, and my decision-making keeps a strong existential focus on what I DO retain. As I said in the earlier post, I'm also obliged to rationalise my files, and it keeps me well aware of what I've got. Sure I have databases built from ls functions, but there's nothing quite like a well-worn neural pathway to keep mind and data in harmony. And OK the truth will out I actually enjoy doing it. If I had money (and space!) I'd have computers everywhere. Years back, in the pre-X days I spent many a happy hour getting Linux systems running on old Macs (Free BSD in an LC, Debian 'potato' on an SE/30, even Minix on my original SE!) so my re-installs are (along with practicalities I've mentioned) just a little bit like setting up a new machine without the expenditure or the junk. Perhaps you think I need therapy? Well, I find the task therapeutic. > > > > Have you reinstalled Leopard yet? You may find that the Migration > > > Assistant (If you use it to rebuild your /Users/) sucks :-( It [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Andy. So why did you change? Perhaps that's a foolish question, in that you are likely to have needs other than mine; as I'm largely text-oriented I don't make use of the majority of development effort. But my point is this: must we accept the requirement to constantly upgrade? Must we jetison past capabilities just because Mr Jobs wants us to keep buying new stuff? And I'm not being crypto-Luddite here: e.g. Leopard won't run Classic, and my copy of the OED needs Classic; the OED isn't available for OS X. I expect I shall be re-installing my 'out-moded' software for as long as my G4 continues to boot. Emma > > No thanks – 10.4.10 is the most stable OS I've found for my box. But > > then I don't believe in Progress either :-) > > There are times where I wish I was still running 10.4.11 myself :-( I haven't bought Leopard (yet) and at this stage haven't found a compelling reason to do so, but I have the computing power to take whatever it throws at me. But I wonder just how many Leopard users are happy with the 'upgrade' and how many would go back a step (to 10.4.x) if it wasn't too much bother? History does tend to show that the time will inevitably come when you have to make the upgrade to the new system. I am holding off for the moment at least. Happy New Year, all. May 2008 be the year of the Mac and that all Mac users are happy campers.... Or decade. Or whatever! Rifty  Signatureriftynet - put a dot after rifty > I haven't bought Leopard (yet) and at this stage haven't found a > compelling reason to do so, but I have the computing power to take > whatever it throws at me. But I wonder just how many Leopard users are > happy with the 'upgrade' and how many would go back a step (to 10.4.x) > if it wasn't too much bother? Leopard gave me enough problems on an iMac G5 ALS (with sleep awakening spontaneously, WiFi disconnecting, DNS unreliable) initially that I contemplated reinstalling Tiger. However there is enough goodness under Leopard that I can see many programs will eventually require it as their minimum level for support. For example, Bento. It won't be the only one. This is entirely aside for upfront goodies like Time Machine, Spaces, better Spotlight and Front Row included and now playing Video_TS. I eventually resolved most of my problems with10.5, and it didn't take a reinstall. More work than I have had to do with Panther or Tiger, but with Panther, I didn't know enough about Mac OS X to do the same sort of fixes. Very fixes were minor compared to the changes I routinely made to set Windows the way I wanted. I do still have a number of unsolved problems, and I hope 10.5.2 fix some of them. Why can't Disk Utility repair permissions a second time? Despite this, I installed Leopard on my Powerbook as well. Fewer problems there so far (but my Powerbook isn't used as intensively). I did increase the memory in both systems (to 1.5 GB and 1.25 GB) prior to installing Leopard. I am not at all sure I would have liked Leopard in a half GB. Signaturehttp://www.ericlindsay.com > Despite this, I installed Leopard on my Powerbook as well. Fewer > problems there so far (but my Powerbook isn't used as intensively). I > did increase the memory in both systems (to 1.5 GB and 1.25 GB) prior to > installing Leopard. I am not at all sure I would have liked Leopard in a > half GB. Interesting comments. For the record, when I installed Tiger on a G4 iMac with half a gig of RAM, it ran like a dog compared with Panther, because Tiger needed so much more memory. BUT... I needed some of the things Tiger offered that Panther didn't - and there are some nice things about Tiger that aren't available in Panther. So I coped. I don't think I will be installing Leopard until I have to. Are you serious about Leopard not allowing repairing permissions twice? What's THAT about? One thing that Panther did in searching from the desktop was to leave your search criteria in the box when you went elsewhere. Tiger doesn't, which is sometimes a real PITA. but SpotInside is a very nice little program and worth keeping open. Incidentally, on another matter, which third party programs or utilities do you find indispensable? I would hate to be without Quicksilver, Shades, JollyFastVNC, Camouflage and Sharpshooter. Rifty Signatureriftynet - put a dot after rifty > Are you serious about Leopard not allowing repairing permissions twice? > What's THAT about? I imagine that it is a bug in Disk Utility, but only when run under Leopard. Since it doesn't seem to be commented on very often in forums, I imagine the problem is rare. I hardly ever repair permissions, so I can leave it until an update fixes it. I note that some other Leopard instal items simply didn't do the right thing. For example, the man pages from Tiger were not updated to the correct version for Leopard. The more reports that reach Apple, the more likely they are to include checks and fixes on the next update. However if Apple don't fix it in 10.5.2 I will run one of the fixes that have already appeared elsewhere. Signaturehttp://www.ericlindsay.com > Some outlets have MacBookPros with 10.4, the Apple Store has 10.5. Does > anyone have any opinions about > > * benefits of a 10.5 factory install compared to an upgrade disc or a full > retail disc Same final result really. Only issue with upgrading is your own time required. But I'd suggest it's a good exercise to go through anyway. > Also: does anyone have any opinions about different outlets (the Apple > Store, David Jones, Harris Technology, Next Byte, etc) in relation to: [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > * couriers > * purchase terms and conditions Apple's online store is an option to consider - postage is free and they handle things like returns quite well. Outlets like David Jones are unlikely to know anything about the product, but will still do their best to pretend. Personally I can't stand this sort of retail experience. Otherwise, just take a moment to consider what you require in each of the criteria you've listed and then make sure you check how the retailer is meeting those criteria. Signature*--------------------------------------------------------* | ^Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool^ | | Heath Raftery, HRSoftWorks _\|/_ | *______________________________________m_('.')_m_________* |
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