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Andrew Gara - 19 Sep 2004 20:49 GMT
Does anyone know of a device which one can take to a library and copy
text electronically or scan it electronically, store it in the device
and then put it into the computer later for editing in a document?
Rasputin - 19 Sep 2004 23:36 GMT
> Does anyone know of a device which one can take to a library and copy
> text electronically or scan it electronically, store it in the device
> and then put it into the computer later for editing in a document?

I'm guessing you don't have a powerbook. My Canon scanner is powered from
USB, and is very similar size to my powerbook, meaning I can scan pretty
much anywhere. The two of them fit in a standard PC laptop case, since
together they are similar in size to one of those PC laptops! :)

Jeff
quietguy - 20 Sep 2004 00:53 GMT
Yep, sure do - it is called a digital camera - take a snap of the what
you want, then download the pic to your computer when you get home - if
you need to edit it etc then just run it though a text reading app and
bobs your uncle

David - who uses this regularly

> Does anyone know of a device which one can take to a library and copy
> text electronically or scan it electronically, store it in the device
> and then put it into the computer later for editing in a document?

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M - 20 Sep 2004 12:39 GMT
David,

Which text reading app do you use?

M
quietguy - 21 Sep 2004 00:40 GMT
Geez, you got me there - haven't had to convert any docs to text for
years and years now - my main use for pics with the digital camera has
been to copy a page from a text to send to a client, or to send copies
of my DL, passport, degree, credit card etc to various people and firms.

Have also used it to copy diagrams from books at the library (200km to
borrow and return) - last lot I did were layouts for cattle yards, and
some law stuff for a friend.  

Trying to remember the name of the pic to text app, but memory is
failing me at the moment - will have a browse through my CDs and that
might refresh the grey cells.

David

> David,
>
> Which text reading app do you use?
>
> M

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Rifty - 21 Sep 2004 14:54 GMT
> Trying to remember the name of the pic to text app, but memory is
> failing me at the moment - will have a browse through my CDs and that
> might refresh the grey cells.

I ave also experimented with digital camera to OCR. You have to have a
good image of the page to start with and convert it to a 300dpi tiff
image so that Omnipage or similar will read it. Not very successful in
terms of saving time, but good for whole page graphic images.

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Nikki - 22 Sep 2004 13:34 GMT
> > Trying to remember the name of the pic to text app, but memory is
> > failing me at the moment - will have a browse through my CDs and that
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> Rifty

I've been following this post with interest, waiting for the simple
solution to appear: how about scanning photocopies?
Works for me (using Omnipage) provided it's a decent copy, the rest is
down to typeface style, print quality, and crap scribbled on the page
by student morons. All this will pose an identical issue regardless of
your method of capture - even if you design a megasatellite to take
those digital pictures.

Nikki
quietguy - 22 Sep 2004 14:53 GMT
... and of course you only need to turn it into text if you want to cut
and paste - if just to read or you can type copy the bits you want to
quote, then leave it as photographed.

David

> > > Trying to remember the name of the pic to text app, but memory is
> > > failing me at the moment - will have a browse through my CDs and that
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>
> Nikki

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Denis Wright - 24 Sep 2004 00:27 GMT
> > I have also experimented with digital camera to OCR. You have to have a
> > good image of the page to start with and convert it to a 300dpi tiff
> > image so that Omnipage or similar will read it. Not very successful in
> > terms of saving time, but good for whole page graphic images.

> I've been following this post with interest, waiting for the simple
> solution to appear: how about scanning photocopies?

Well, that would be OK if you had access to a photocopier. But I work
in countries where the documents I use are often in hard copy and no
photocopying is easily available. (It might be on another floor where
I can't take the original or under the control of someone who isn't
inclined to be cooperative. Or broken.)

In that case, the digital camera can work. The other benefit of the
digital camera here is that the document is often in a large heavy
book, and putting it on a photocopier for OCR purposes just doesn't
work, for obvious reasons. Also, the photocopier can add to the scan
problems if it runs characters together. Photographing it carefully,
even at comparatively low res, can sometimes yield better results.

> Works for me (using Omnipage) provided it's a decent copy, the rest is
> down to typeface style, print quality, and crap scribbled on the page
> by student morons. All this will pose an identical issue regardless of
> your method of capture - even if you design a megasatellite to take
> those digital pictures.

You don't have to take them at that high a resolution to begin with.
If the image is good enough at lower res, you can feed to a laptop in
that formay and then step it up to 300 later. Mind you, this is
cumbersome and you really have to want an OCR version to go through
with the various steps involved. For a non-touch-typist, it can be.

Denis Wright
Nikki - 24 Sep 2004 22:43 GMT
> > > I have also experimented with digital camera to OCR. You have to have a
> > > good image of the page to start with and convert it to a 300dpi tiff
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>
> Denis Wright

OK, I accept that point. Mea culpa. Problem is: I've been hanging
around too many universities - which fund themselves on photocopying
these days and there's a machine behind every shelf.  Guess what I was
saying is I'm surprised how well photocopies will scan.  I'm using
Omnipage Pro.

Wish I could afford that good a camera!

Nikki
quietguy - 26 Sep 2004 00:35 GMT
One big problem with photocopying books (yep, I went to Uni too) is that
you either have to break the books spine or put up with distorted test
at the spine edge of the page - NBG for OCRing

David

... The other benefit of the
> > digital camera here is that the document is often in a large heavy
> > book, and putting it on a photocopier for OCR purposes just doesn't
> > work, for obvious reasons. Also, the photocopier can add to the scan
> > problems if it runs characters together. Photographing it carefully,
> > even at comparatively low res, can sometimes yield better results.
Rifty - 27 Sep 2004 16:22 GMT
> One big problem with photocopying books (yep, I went to Uni too) is that
> you either have to break the books spine or put up with distorted test
> at the spine edge of the page - NBG for OCRing

...which is of course exactly where the camera has an advantage.

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