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Paul Richardson - 23 Jun 2005 05:02 GMT
I am trying to help a developer who is doing some work for my client. I
am wondering if there are any applications like Apple Remote Desktop,
but with a twist.

They run on PC's and allow you to be on a Macs desktop for running apps
and the like

thanks in advance
pheonix1t - 23 Jun 2005 06:09 GMT
> I am trying to help a developer who is doing some work for my client. I
> am wondering if there are any applications like Apple Remote Desktop,
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>
> thanks in advance
vnc
www.tightvnc.com
also others similar to this  - realvnc, etc.
Zaphod B - 23 Jun 2005 06:45 GMT
> > I am trying to help a developer who is doing some work for my client. I
> > am wondering if there are any applications like Apple Remote Desktop,
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> www.tightvnc.com
> also others similar to this  - realvnc, etc.

NO, this is NOT Mark Conrad,;-)
- but - Timbuktu (aka "TB2") does this very well too, although it's
commercial and does a lot of other stufff as well. Worth checking out.
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Mark Conrad - 23 Jun 2005 17:57 GMT
> NO, this is NOT Mark Conrad,;-)
> - but - Timbuktu (aka "TB2") does this very well too, although it's
> commercial and does a lot of other stufff as well. Worth checking out.

Gosh, I did not utter a peep.  ;-)

TB2 does have its drawbacks, you know.

1) High price
2) No written user manual
3) No tech' support, only email
4) Can't play sounds from remote computer's speakers
5) VNC supports more platforms than TB2 does

All that said, it has more features than any other remote control
application out there.

Try these with  s-l-o-w  VNC for comparison, you will be disappointed

1) Newbie install  _and_  configure VNC in 10 minutes
2) Install VNC in a  _remote_  Mac, grab control of remote Mac
3) Create QuickTime movie of entire VNC session
4) Full support of  _all_  OSX's file permissions
5) Easy and   _quick_   file transfers to/from remote computer
6) Full duplex voice over same line as remote control session
      (only on broadband, of course)
7) Can miniturize many remote "live" windows as small as one-inch
square, and still have items in those windows clickable, dragable, etc.

Lotsa luck trying to get above features working with VNC, not to
mention the lousy security of VNC itself:

1) Cleartext protocol, entire graphical display subject to
eaves-dropping, in other words everything on the screens of both
computers can be seen by a cracker.
   It is  HIGHLY  recommended that all VNC sessions be sent using SSH
for this reason.

2) Weak Authentication Process (VU# 303080, BugTraq ID 2275)

3) WinVNC Server Buffer Overflow (CAN-2001-0168, VU# 598581, BUGTRAQ ID
2306

4) WinVNC Weak Registry Permissions (CVE-2000-1164, VU# 197477, BugTraq
ID 1961)

Further details on page 446 of "Mac OS X Maximum Security"

Needless to say, the present version 8.0.1 of Timbuktu has none of
those security flaws.

I will stick with the high priced TB2, thank you.

If I had a hundred remote Macs, I could easily  _legally_  get by with
$200 total for two copies of TB2, $100 apiece, as long as I am only
remotely controlling one Mac at a time.

If I wanted all of the hundred Macs and PCs actively engaged in the
same network, where any Mac or any PC could control all other Macs and
PCs, then I would have to buy the much higher priced unlimited versions
of Timbuktu.

Mark-
Mark Conrad - 28 Nov 2007 19:54 GMT
> NO, this is NOT Mark Conrad,;-)
> - but - Timbuktu (aka "TB2") does this very well too, although it's
> commercial and does a lot of other stufff as well. Worth checking out.

Windows version of TB2 is kinda crippled, y'know.

Micromat thinks so little of their own Windows version
that they don't even require users to enter a serial number
on the Windows end.

Just my little contribution to Timbuktu advocacy.  :)

Mark-
nospam - 29 Nov 2007 05:03 GMT
In article
<noneof-C591F2.11543428112007@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, Mark
Conrad <noneof@urbusiness.invalid> wrote:

> > NO, this is NOT Mark Conrad,;-)
> > - but - Timbuktu (aka "TB2") does this very well too, although it's
> > commercial and does a lot of other stufff as well. Worth checking out.
>
> Windows version of TB2 is kinda crippled, y'know.

crippled how?  i don't recall it being any different than the mac
version.

> Micromat thinks so little of their own Windows version
> that they don't even require users to enter a serial number
> on the Windows end.

micromat does not make timbuktu, and the last time i tried windows
timbuktu, i was emailed a serial number.  i just needed it for a one
time connection and the trial version worked fine.

> Just my little contribution to Timbuktu advocacy.  :)

if you say so.
Mark Conrad - 29 Nov 2007 10:50 GMT
> micromat does not make timbuktu

Sorry about that, Netopia makes TB2 of course.

Blame senility at this end, old age sucks.

> > Netopia thinks so little of their own Windows version
> > that they don't even require users to enter a S/N
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> serial number.  i just needed it for a one-time
> connection and the trial version worked fine.

That is strange, here I did not need to enter anything
here in order to get TB2 to work on Vista Ultimate.

Wonder if it has anything to do with the fact that I had
a physical CD from Netopia, instead of a download version.

> > Windows version of TB2 is kinda crippled, y'know.
>
> crippled how?  i don't recall it being any different
> than the mac version.

For one thing, the most recent version of TB2
for Windows does not allow a Windows user to do
a "Push Install".

A 'Push Install' is a way to install Timbuktu into a
distant computer that does not already have
Timbuktu installed.

A Mac user can "push" Timbuktu into any distant Mac that
does not already have Timbuktu installed.

One condition is that the remote Mac has to have
its "Remote Login" _temporarily_ turned on in
the Sharing preference panel.

This 'Push Install' is very handy if you have a distant
family member who is having problems with their Mac.

Push Install only works Mac to Mac, and only then
provided you have the most  _recent_  version 8.7
installed on the Mac that is doing the 'pushing'.

After you install TB2 into the remote Mac, you
immediately have full control of that Mac.

...provided you did the Push Install properly.

(fairly easy to do, TB2 Help has all
  the info' needed to do the push install)

The remote Mac can even be unattended,
no one anywhere near it.

For example, just to try the Push Install feature,
I installed Timbuktu into a 7 year old Pismo PowerBook.

I was 'pushing' the install from my newest MacBook Pro.

Remote install worked flawlessly, I could immediately
grab control of the Pismo from the MacBook Pro, after
the install had completed.

Keep in mind, you  _have_  to have two separate licensed
versions of Timbuktu for this to work, because as you know
TB2 will not work if both Macs have
the same activation number.

Mark-
nospam - 29 Nov 2007 12:30 GMT
In article
<noneof-065435.02500429112007@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, Mark
Conrad <noneof@urbusiness.invalid> wrote:

> Push Install only works Mac to Mac, and only then
> provided you have the most  _recent_  version 8.7
> installed on the Mac that is doing the 'pushing'.

push install has been there since 8.0.  see the bottom of:

<http://www.netopia.com/software/products/tb2/mac/latestnews.html>
Mark Conrad - 29 Nov 2007 19:42 GMT
> Conrad <noneof@urbusiness.invalid> wrote:
>
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>
> <http://www.netopia.com/software/products/tb2/mac/latestnews.html>

Thanks for that correction.

Mark-
Frédérique & Her vé Sainct - 23 Jun 2005 07:03 GMT
> I am trying to help a developer who is doing some work for my client. I
> am wondering if there are any applications like Apple Remote Desktop,
> but with a twist.
>
> They run on PC's and allow you to be on a Macs desktop for running apps
> and the like

Aside all the free vnc and likes, the shareware couple
Astroshare/astroview seems geared to mixity (control any of PC, mac,
palm... from any other in the same lot). Like the others they also add
the capability of audio chat, file exchange etc.

H.

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