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Mail 2.0 - move the folder list to the right side?

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Stephen M. Adams - 06 May 2005 03:07 GMT
Installed Tiger.  Impressive.  No doubt about it.  But...

Ok, maybe I'm missing it, but I can't find a way to move the folder
list to the right-hand side of the mail window.  Is it possible to
do this??

-Stephen
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Dave Balderstone - 06 May 2005 04:22 GMT
> Installed Tiger.  Impressive.  No doubt about it.  But...
>
> Ok, maybe I'm missing it, but I can't find a way to move the folder
> list to the right-hand side of the mail window.  Is it possible to
> do this??

Mail 2 is a step backward. I've filed a bug with Apple on the violation
of user interface guidelines and general brain-dead pukey interface
stupidity.

djb

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Tom Harrington - 06 May 2005 16:55 GMT
> > Installed Tiger.  Impressive.  No doubt about it.  But...
> >
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>
> djb

I like this note from John Siracusa's writeup at Ars Technica:

  The first time I saw the new Mail toolbar, I filed a bug on it.
  (Radar 3968093: "Toolbar buttons in Mail 2.0 are hideously ugly.")
  It was immediately closed as a duplicate, so at least one other
  person agrees with me.

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Jim Hill - 08 May 2005 06:38 GMT
>Mail 2 is a step backward.

I agree, if by "a step backward" you mean "a stinking pile of crap."

>I've filed a bug with Apple on the violation of user interface
>guidelines and general brain-dead pukey interface stupidity.

As have I.  Sadly, this Outlook Express in Mac clothing is undoubtedly
here to stay.  So few people knew how to use drawers in a non-crappy
fashion that it appears Apple is doing away with their use -- even in an
application that showed just how cool they were.

Jim
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Tim Cutts - 08 May 2005 14:03 GMT
>>Mail 2 is a step backward.
>
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>fashion that it appears Apple is doing away with their use -- even in an
>application that showed just how cool they were.

I agree.  Almost every application that made good use of them (Camino,
iCal, and now Mail) has now dropped them.  Shame.

Tim
Ilgaz - 08 May 2005 15:35 GMT
>> Mail 2 is a step backward.
>
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>
> Jim

Well, although I admire/respect Mail.app (10.3.9 here), I use Eudora
Pro /Mac (ad supported). I use hell of Spamcop's IMAP features ;) (I
bought mail account) It was a torture to setup it for international
chars I use btw.

Got good news for mac software scene (No, I didn't break in Qualcomm):
Its recoded entirely for Cocoa! Eudora forums (official), Mac lead
coder's post.

I tried Outlook Express, now its a really good application I must say.
They should continue it for OS X.

I see MS Win and Mac teams as entirely different and while I stay away
from their products, its very wrong to compare e.g. OE for Win to OE
for Mac. Especially OS X switchers never seen OE for Os 9 fall into
that error. Not blaming them of course.

I had replies to my support requests from very elite, legendary Mac
only software houses and when I checked what that Mac guru uses, it
always turned out to be Eudora or Entourage . Interesting :) If you
think about it and can imagine a 100.000+ downloaded softwares volume
of mail, you can easily understand of course.

Of course not naming anyone :)

Ilgaz Ocal
Adrian - 06 May 2005 17:45 GMT
> Installed Tiger.  Impressive.  No doubt about it.  But...
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>  -Stephen

In Panther Mail this is confusing also ... you drag a message from your
inbox to the side you want the folders to appear ... so even though it
is on the left drag to the right and it should swap over. Is this the
same in the Tiger version?

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Stephen M. Adams - 06 May 2005 19:54 GMT
>> Installed Tiger.  Impressive.  No doubt about it.  But...
>>
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>is on the left drag to the right and it should swap over. Is this the
>same in the Tiger version?

No, dragging to the right doesn't cause the folders to move, nor does
the location of the mail window cause a switch (as it did in Panther).

:-(

-Stephen
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Dave Balderstone - 07 May 2005 04:01 GMT
> In Panther Mail this is confusing also ... you drag a message from your
> inbox to the side you want the folders to appear ... so even though it
> is on the left drag to the right and it should swap over. Is this the
> same in the Tiger version?

No. The Tiger version is a horrible joke.

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James L. Ryan - 07 May 2005 04:17 GMT
[commenting on Mail.app as presented in Tiger]

> No. The Tiger version is a horrible joke

I guess I'm going to be in the minority, at least in this thread of
discussion, as I found the Tiger version to be a far more elegant
implementation than the preceding version. There is a very clean and
uncluttered look, and I find it easy to quickly determine the status of
incoming mail.

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Jim Hill - 08 May 2005 06:40 GMT
>[commenting on Mail.app as presented in Tiger]
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>uncluttered look, and I find it easy to quickly determine the status of
>incoming mail.

Determine the status of an outbound msg with a 55MB attachment.  Hey,
where'd the unobtrusive but easily-located "x% of y" go?  That
four-frame animiGIF of a stopwatch is not an acceptable substitute.

Jim, mutter, fume
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