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Mysteriously Heavy CPU Useage

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Barbarossa - 02 May 2005 20:25 GMT
  I usually have a number Apps in my startup folder,
but after installing 10.4 I have been getting a very high CPU
usage as indicated by both CeePeeYou and ActivityMonitor.

  I went to Accounts and shut all the Startup items down,
which seemed to help. One of the possible culprits is AliasMenu.
However, with just about everything else shut down I was still
getting heavy usage from certain items:

tr, csh, find  [all owned by "nobody"]

update, kernal_task, find, pmTool,  [all owned by "root"]

  After a while these settled down, as if whatever they were
doing was sorted out. Can anyone give me a quick explanation of
what these processes are and what they do?

  Has anyone else seen any activities that seem to be CPU hogs
on 10.4.

Running:
 Machine Name:   PowerMacG3series [B&W]
 Machine Model:  PowerMac1,1
 CPU Type: PowerPC 60?  (2.1)
 Number Of CPUs: 1
 CPU Speed:   1.00 GHz [Sonnet G4]
 Memory:   1 GB

BTW, this is also occurring on a Graphite G4 (PCI,1GHz Sonnet G4)

Thanks,
dfritzin@hotmail.com - 02 May 2005 20:45 GMT
> I usually have a number Apps in my startup folder,
> but after installing 10.4 I have been getting a very high CPU
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> Thanks,

Is it possible that what you are seeing is Spotlight indexing your
drive? I haven't installed Tiger yet, so I don't know how much CPU
usage the initial indexing takes. Hopefully, I will receive my copy of
Tiger from our campus bookstore today or tomorrow.

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Barbarossa - 02 May 2005 22:12 GMT
Barbarossa wrote:
> > I usually have a number Apps in my startup folder,
> > but after installing 10.4 I have been getting a very high CPU
> > usage as indicated by both CeePeeYou and ActivityMonitor.

> Is it possible that what you are seeing is Spotlight indexing
> your drive? I haven't installed Tiger yet, so I don't know how
> much CPU usage the initial indexing takes. Hopefully, I will
> receive my copy of Tiger from our campus bookstore today or
> tomorrow.

  No, I saw 'Spotlight' indexing with the first (auto) restart
after the install. Honestly, the OS wanted me to do too many
thing at the same time: import my mail, index the drive, &c. I
wish that it would do things in some sort of order to avoid
overtaxing the older, yet still supported CPUs.

  In this case the heavy usage came afterwards, when the
Spotlight indexing had finished; indeed, on the second and third
days. After seeing this on three Macs (all older G4s, some
upgraded) I would say that the newer and faster the Mac, the
easier and faster the install.
Jochem Huhmann - 02 May 2005 22:20 GMT
>    In this case the heavy usage came afterwards, when the
> Spotlight indexing had finished; indeed, on the second and third
> days. After seeing this on three Macs (all older G4s, some
> upgraded) I would say that the newer and faster the Mac, the
> easier and faster the install.

Run Activity Monitor and click on the "% CPU" column header. You should
see the process consuming that much CPU cycles on top now. This should
shed some light on that phenomen.

       Jochem

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Bill Lloyd - 03 May 2005 01:15 GMT
>    I usually have a number Apps in my startup folder, but after
> installing 10.4 I have been getting a very high CPU usage as indicated
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>    Has anyone else seen any activities that seem to be CPU hogs on 10.4.
> ...

I don't find a whole lot of hogging... but "find" is typically run as
part of the system's maintenance scripts.  Specifically for rebuilding
the locate database.  This is typically done in the middle of the night
(around 2 AM).

If it chugs for 1-5 minutes and then calms, just let it be.  UNIX is
supposed to do that.  If it goes on for 30+ minutes, something fishy is
afoot.
Shawn Hearn - 03 May 2005 04:10 GMT
>    I usually have a number Apps in my startup folder,
> but after installing 10.4 I have been getting a very high CPU
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>    Has anyone else seen any activities that seem to be CPU hogs
> on 10.4.

Check Spotlight. It might simply be doing its indexing.
If that's the case, rebooting your Mac should reign in
Spotlight the next time it starts.
michael - 03 May 2005 04:50 GMT
> >    I usually have a number Apps in my startup folder,
> > but after installing 10.4 I have been getting a very high CPU
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> If that's the case, rebooting your Mac should reign in
> Spotlight the next time it starts.

Virex is known to do the same thing ...
Barbarossa - 04 May 2005 00:52 GMT
>    I usually have a number Apps in my startup folder,
> but after installing 10.4 I have been getting a very high CPU
> usage as indicated by both CeePeeYou and ActivityMonitor.
[snip]
>    Has anyone else seen any activities that seem to be CPU hogs
> on 10.4?
>
> Running:
>   Machine Name:   PowerMacG3series [B&W]
>   CPU Speed:   1.00 GHz [Sonnet G4]

> BTW, this is also occurring on a Graphite G4 (PCI,1GHz Sonnet G4)

  Notice that both Macs have Sonnet G4 CPU upgrades. I checked
at <http"//www.sonnettech.com> and found:

http://www.sonnettech.com/downloads/proc_upgrds_sw.html#sonnetcach
e

[Watch the wrap]

  ... an upgrade for the CPU cache for Tiger. Things seem to be
back to normal now.
Tom Stiller - 04 May 2005 04:04 GMT
> >    I usually have a number Apps in my startup folder,
> > but after installing 10.4 I have been getting a very high CPU
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> [Watch the wrap]

Enclose URLs in <> to protect against wrapping.

>    ... an upgrade for the CPU cache for Tiger. Things seem to be
> back to normal now.

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Barbarossa - 04 May 2005 05:13 GMT
Barbarossa <whewitt@ucsd.edu> wrote:

> > <http://www.sonnettech.com/downloads/proc_upgrds_sw.html#sonn
> > etcach e>
> >
> > [Watch the wrap]

> Enclose URLs in <> to protect against wrapping.

  The URL may be enclosed, but it still gets wrapped
in 'MT-NW 3.4.'
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Tom Stiller - 04 May 2005 11:54 GMT
>  Barbarossa <whewitt@ucsd.edu> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>    The URL may be enclosed, but it still gets wrapped

Yeah, but command clicking on it in 'MT-NW 3.4' will pass the full URL
to the browser, wrapped or not, if it's enclosed.

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AES - 04 May 2005 16:49 GMT
> > > Enclose URLs in <> to protect against wrapping.
> >
> >    The URL may be enclosed, but it still gets wrapped
>
> Yeah, but command clicking on it in 'MT-NW 3.4' will pass the full URL
> to the browser, wrapped or not, if it's enclosed.

Agreed, except I think you mean Option-Click.
Tom Stiller - 04 May 2005 18:02 GMT
> > > > Enclose URLs in <> to protect against wrapping.
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Agreed, except I think you mean Option-Click.

Right you are.

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Barbarossa - 04 May 2005 18:12 GMT
In article
<tomstiller-3DC7AB.13021404052005@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,

> > > Yeah, but command clicking on it in 'MT-NW 3.4' will pass the full URL
> > > to the browser, wrapped or not, if it's enclosed.
> >
> > Agreed, except I think you mean Option-Click.
>
> Right you are.

  Great Googley Moogley! And I've been highlighting and
Command-Clicking all these years! Is this Option-Click thingy
something relatively new?
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AES - 04 May 2005 20:24 GMT
> In article
> <tomstiller-3DC7AB.13021404052005@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Command-Clicking all these years! Is this Option-Click thingy
> something relatively new?

Well, I just looked and the Help message for "Opening URLs" in MT-NW 3.4
says command (i.e., Apple key) plus click.  But I stumbled onto
Option-Click (just a single click, anywhere within the URL) as an
alternative method some time back, and it seems to work very reliably,
earlier in OS 9.2, now in 10.3.9.

I _think_ it even works with URLS that are line-wrapped, and maybe even
with line wrapping plus ">" markers inserted -- but I'll let someone
else test this out.
Wayne C. Morris - 05 May 2005 00:37 GMT
> > Great Googley Moogley! And I've been highlighting and Command-Clicking
> > all these years! Is this Option-Click thingy something relatively new?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> with line wrapping plus ">" markers inserted -- but I'll let someone
> else test this out.

No, if the URL is line-wrapped, you must highlight the whole URL before you
option-click or right-click (both work).

If the URL is enclosed in angle brackets, you can just option-click or
right-click anywhere in the URL.  I think the URL also needs the "http://"
prefix to ensure MT-NW will recognize it, but I'm not sure.  (It's a little
hard to test because MT-NW's URL-clicking doesn't work quite the same in a
message composition window as it does when reading a message.)
Sander Tekelenburg - 05 May 2005 04:05 GMT
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<wayne.morris-5DD874.18375304052005@shawnews.wp.shawcable.net>,

[...]

> I think the URL also needs the "http://"
> prefix to ensure MT-NW will recognize it, but I'm not sure.

Well, yes, without a protocol specifier it isn't a URL. The best an app
can do in that case is guess which protocol might apply. (In practice,
those who leave it ought usually mean "http", so most of the time an app
will happen to guess right.)

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Barbarossa - 04 May 2005 18:04 GMT
> > > > Enclose URLs in <> to protect against wrapping.
> > >
> > >    The URL may be enclosed, but it still gets wrapped.
> >
> > Yeah, but command clicking on it in 'MT-NW 3.4' will pass the full URL
> > to the browser, wrapped or not, if it's enclosed.

> Agreed, except I think you mean Option-Click.

  No, it 's Command-Click, with the URL highlighted. However, if
the URL has the carrots: > > > dividing it up in the wrap it
won't work.

<http://www.sonnettech.com/downloads/proc_upgrds_sw.html#sonnetcac
he>

will work, but:

> > <http://www.sonnettech.com/downloads/proc_upgrds_sw.html#sonn
> > etcach e>

won't. One may have to just Cut, Snip, & Paste.
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Wayne C. Morris - 05 May 2005 00:28 GMT
> > > > Enclose URLs in <> to protect against wrapping.
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Agreed, except I think you mean Option-Click.

Actually, it's both.  MT-NW doesn't care whether you command-click or
right-click on the URL, both keystrokes do the same thing.
johnmcboston@gmail.com - 05 May 2005 14:27 GMT
http://www.tinyurl.com

problems go away

:-)
Dave Hinz - 05 May 2005 15:00 GMT
> http://www.tinyurl.com
>
> problems go away

I won't click one from work, and I won't click one from someone I don't
know and trust.  If you choose to post a tinyurl for people who can't
be bothered to deal with line wrap, that's fine, but please post
the real URL or whatever you're posting won't get seen by many people.
Ian Gregory - 05 May 2005 15:23 GMT
>> http://www.tinyurl.com
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> be bothered to deal with line wrap, that's fine, but please post
> the real URL or whatever you're posting won't get seen by many people.

A "real" URL is not necessarily any safer, and could also be a
redirect. However, this tinyurl is entirely safe since it is just
the TinyURL.com homepage - I wonder where it was supposed to lead?

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Dave Hinz - 05 May 2005 17:31 GMT
>>> http://www.tinyurl.com
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> A "real" URL is not necessarily any safer, and could also be a
> redirect.

Right, but you _know_ a tinyurl is an obfuscated redirect.

>  However, this tinyurl is entirely safe since it is just
> the TinyURL.com homepage

Yes, obviously, but the solution is imperfect for reasons I mentioned.
Seems like a lot of fuss for people who can't handle line wrap.
 
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