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Any tutorials or texts on AppleScript Studio?

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Phil Stripling - 30 Apr 2005 00:11 GMT
I've got my Mac Mini hooked up to my TV set, still with the keyboard and
mouse, but I'm waiting for the touchscreen to be delivered, so I can remove
the KM and just have the V. I've started doing some AppleScripts to control
iTunes and to show videos through QT.

Are there any tutorials on using Xcode to build a user interface? (Well,
and the underlying script, too, but I can do that by hand.) I've found one
tutorial at
http://cocoadevcentral.com/articles/000073.php
but that's it. Amazon has a fairly expensie CD tutorial, but I'm happier
with a book or Web page.
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Zugwrack - 30 Apr 2005 01:00 GMT
Danny Goodman's "Applescript Handbook" you can see excerpts at
http://www.spiderworks.com  you can buy the pdf book and exercises for
$14.95 US...it is the most widely used source for learning scripting in
OS X (and Classic before)

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matt neuburg - 30 Apr 2005 01:03 GMT
> I've got my Mac Mini hooked up to my TV set, still with the keyboard and
> mouse, but I'm waiting for the touchscreen to be delivered, so I can remove
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> but that's it. Amazon has a fairly expensie CD tutorial, but I'm happier
> with a book or Web page.

The online documentation that accompanies the developer tools is really
all you need. My AppleScript book gives a couple of hands-on examples of
creating AppleScript Studio apps, but it sounds like you might be beyond
that. I've contemplated writing a book about AppleScript Studio but the
general consensus seems to be that it wouldn't sell well enough to make
it worthwhile... m.

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Phil Stripling - 30 Apr 2005 01:55 GMT
> The online documentation that accompanies the developer tools is really
> all you need.

I was hoping to avoid having to wend through that -- it's really
aggravating trying to follow examples and directions in windows on the
monitor that obscure or are obscured by the windows of the program I'm
trying to learn. C'est la vie.

> that. I've contemplated writing a book about AppleScript Studio but the
> general consensus seems to be that it wouldn't sell well enough to make
> it worthwhile... m.

That's probably true, I'm sorry to say. I'm mildly surprised there's enough
interest in AppleScript for the three or four books out on it. There's no
way to do such a book electronically so you don't have the expense of
printing it?
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sbt - 30 Apr 2005 02:21 GMT
> > The online documentation that accompanies the developer tools is really
> > all you need.
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> way to do such a book electronically so you don't have the expense of
> printing it?

Matt's AppleScript book is an eBook (Take Control series, from the
TidBITs folks) and Danny Goodman's new edition is an eBook (from
SpyderWorks -- Dave Mark's company).

While the printing is an ongoing expense, the big, upfront expense is
the labor/time involved in writing, editing, and layout. You have to
sell quite a few copies before you've amortized the initial investment
and made the materials cost the significant component.

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Phil Stripling - 30 Apr 2005 02:44 GMT
>SNIP<
> > interest in AppleScript for the three or four books out on it. There's no
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> TidBITs folks) and Danny Goodman's new edition is an eBook (from
> SpyderWorks -- Dave Mark's company).

My apologies, my antecedent wasn't clear -- an ebook on a.s. :->
AppleScript Studio.

> While the printing is an ongoing expense, the big, upfront expense is
> the labor/time involved in writing, editing, and layout. You have to
> sell quite a few copies before you've amortized the initial investment
> and made the materials cost the significant component.

And I should have said, 'so you don't have the expense of a publisher and
all that entails.' While paper and glue may be of little expense, I'm
guessing that the publisher has to make quite a bit of money from each
physical title to recoup it's expenses of printing, binding, shipping,
storage, returns, salaries, rent, and on and on. Doing a self-published
ebook or whatever you want to call it could make a small "press run"
profitable. Especially if the book is available for download online instead
of the author having to send out CDs or paper prints. I've never done it
myself, but I have friends who've self-published bound books, and they
enjoyed the whole shebang -- although they weren't in it for the money,
which makes a _huge_ difference. (I've never asked if they made money on
their books.)

Whatever. I'm still looking for some tutorial other than Apple's on
a.s. Apple seems to have a theory that to understand any one particular
chapter of any of their materials, one must have read and understood all
other chapters in their materials. Generally, I find that having a couple
of different authors explaining things from their different perspectives is
most helpful.
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matt neuburg - 30 Apr 2005 02:44 GMT
> > > The online documentation that accompanies the developer tools is really
> > > all you need.
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>
> Matt's AppleScript book is an eBook

No it isn't; it's a print book, from O'Reilly - see my .sig. I've
thought of doing the AppleScript Studio book as an ebook but it seems to
me that it would be too large and technical for that to a comfortable
venue. I really like having a printed, bound book in my hands, like an
O'Reilly book; something I can study in my off hours, write in the
margins, and so forth. m.

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gtr - 30 Apr 2005 03:07 GMT
> The online documentation that accompanies the developer tools is really
> all you need. My AppleScript book gives a couple of hands-on examples of
> creating AppleScript Studio apps, but it sounds like you might be beyond
> that. I've contemplated writing a book about AppleScript Studio but the
> general consensus seems to be that it wouldn't sell well enough to make
> it worthwhile...

I don't know if a "Take Control" publication might not allow
publication without having to do the bona-fide publishing balancing
act.  Nor if TidBits publishing would consider appropriate to their
range of activities...

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matt neuburg - 30 Apr 2005 03:42 GMT
> > The online documentation that accompanies the developer tools is really
> > all you need. My AppleScript book gives a couple of hands-on examples of
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> act.  Nor if TidBits publishing would consider appropriate to their
> range of activities...

We could certainly bend the Take Control range to embrace this sort of
thing, and we've thought about it; it's really just a matter of
balancing the time/effort against the imagined market. When I see how
little traffic there is on Apple's AppleScript Studio mailing list, I
tend to think there just aren't enough users out there who care about
AppleScript Studio *and* need this level of help. Meanwhile, every year
I give my famous "forced march" class about AppleScript Studio at the
AppleScript Pro Sessions - in fact, I'm giving it this coming Friday in
Monterey, CA. m.

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gtr - 30 Apr 2005 21:02 GMT
> I tend to think there just aren't enough users out there who care
> about AppleScript Studio *and* need this level of help.

That's the nub of it, I guess.  Anybody who *really* wants a certain
variety of information or knowledge is the kind of person who can find
it and wrestle it to the mat on their own.

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Phil Stripling - 30 Apr 2005 23:49 GMT
> That's the nub of it, I guess.  Anybody who *really* wants a certain
> variety of information or knowledge is the kind of person who can find
> it and wrestle it to the mat on their own.

Well, I went to Borders and wrested Teach Yourself AppleScript in 24 Hours
from the shelf, flung it to the floor, and made the cashiers take my money
for it. It's got about a hundred and twenty pages on using a.s. Between
that and Apple's Building Studio Apps, I'll hope to be able to do some
scripts for my Mac Mini and a touch screen so we won't need a keyboard to
do stuff. Just touch and go on AppleScripts.
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gtr - 30 Apr 2005 01:09 GMT
> I've got my Mac Mini hooked up to my TV set, still with the keyboard and
> mouse, but I'm waiting for the touchscreen to be delivered, so I can remove
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> but that's it. Amazon has a fairly expensie CD tutorial, but I'm happier
> with a book or Web page.

If you're really going to get into AppleScript, I'd suggest O'Reilly's
"Applescript, The Definitive Guide" (Pub: O'Reilly, '03) by Matt
Neuberg.  It's definitive.

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matt neuburg - 30 Apr 2005 02:44 GMT
> > I've got my Mac Mini hooked up to my TV set, still with the keyboard and
> > mouse, but I'm waiting for the touchscreen to be delivered, so I can remove
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> "Applescript, The Definitive Guide" (Pub: O'Reilly, '03) by Matt
> Neuberg.  It's definitive.

I've always thought so! :) m.

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