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Jack Ferman - 19 Feb 2005 04:52 GMT
I just finished my 2004 tax return and discovered a significant flaw in
TurboTax. My tax situation is simple: just W2s, bank interest, state
taxes, a run-of-the-mill deductions. TurboTax figured line 42 (taxable
income) correctly but brought back the wrong tax from the tables. I
verified the correctness of the IRS printed table over the IRS 1-800
number. So beware. If TurboTax gets a simple return wrong, a complicated
return might really get screwed up. Costing you a penalty maybe.
Tom Stiller - 19 Feb 2005 12:19 GMT
> I just finished my 2004 tax return and discovered a significant flaw in
> TurboTax. My tax situation is simple: just W2s, bank interest, state
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> number. So beware. If TurboTax gets a simple return wrong, a complicated
> return might really get screwed up. Costing you a penalty maybe.

Did you check for any updates to the program?

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Jack Ferman - 19 Feb 2005 18:24 GMT
> > I just finished my 2004 tax return and discovered a significant flaw in
> > TurboTax. My tax situation is simple: just W2s, bank interest, state
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>
> Did you check for any updates to the program?

Yes. The updates took nearly 3 hours over 56k modem. The final run of
TurboTax was after the updating.
Gregory Weston - 19 Feb 2005 12:21 GMT
> I just finished my 2004 tax return and discovered a significant flaw in
> TurboTax. My tax situation is simple: just W2s, bank interest, state
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> number. So beware. If TurboTax gets a simple return wrong, a complicated
> return might really get screwed up. Costing you a penalty maybe.

Have you reported it to Intuit?

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RubyTuesday - 19 Feb 2005 17:42 GMT
> > I just finished my 2004 tax return and discovered a significant flaw in
> > TurboTax. My tax situation is simple: just W2s, bank interest, state
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>
> Have you reported it to Intuit?

How far off was it? Did you figure your taxes using the IRS tax rate
schedule

http://www.irs.gov/formspubs/article/0,,id=133625,00.html

and was it still way different?

A guy at the online site for TurboTax told me they calculate the taxes,
they don't use the tax table, which made my taxes slightly different
from theirs.

Ruby.
Jack Ferman - 19 Feb 2005 19:00 GMT
> > > I just finished my 2004 tax return and discovered a significant flaw in
> > > TurboTax. My tax situation is simple: just W2s, bank interest, state
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> How far off was it? Did you figure your taxes using the IRS tax rate
> schedule

Not a lot at my taxable AGI level, but if they err there might they also
botch a complicated return.  Several years ago, when I switched to TaxCut,
I noted that TurboTax was inflexible with respect to distributing a
dependent's college expenses over the several ways to offset. The tax
code, as I confirmed with IRS, allows you to offset the capital gain on US
Savings bonds with college expenses. Further, one can take advantage of
one option during a student's first 2 years or another option for the
second 2 years (Pell & Lifetime Credit). TurboTax would allow only one
option - but the tax code says you can use as many options as you have
allowable expenses - its just that you can use each dollar just once.
TurboTax did not understand this, but TaxCut did. In my daughter's last
year the new line 12, is it, option became available and we had large
enough expenses to use all three. I only came back to TurboTax this year,
because I could not find TaxCut out here when I was buying. The HR Block
web site did not indicate a Mac product, so I thought I was stuck. I
wanted to get an early start because I knew I had a refund coming and I
might as well get the bank interest. So my advice is; if you have any sort
of complications, like partnerships, property inversions, stocks and bonds
activity, etc you had best look at what TurboTax is doing with flinty
eyes.

One last TurboTax gripe. We cashed some mutual fund shares to pay for our
daughter's last semester and of course we got a 1099B requiring filing
Schedule D. Because my wife's mutual fund holdings come from pay period
deductions, comparable shares were bought both before and after the
redemption (tax code specifies a 61 day window), which qualifies the
redemption was a 'wash sale' for which not 100% of any loss is allowable.
There is a complicated tax code treatment of wash sales to assess any
disallowable loss.  Brokerage houses are highly expert at doing the wash
treatment and our 1099B specified exactly how much of our loss could be
claimed on Shedule D (there were both short and long term amounts). You
guessed it; TurboTax disallowed all the losses which tells me they do not
have the foggiest knowledge of how to handle wash sales. Now our bucks
were not large, but I pity the hapless guy who has large bucks involved in
Schedule D.

Both the handling of education expense offset options and the wash sale
issue, convince me that the writers of TurboTax do not know what they are
doing. A friend of mine, who quite a few years ago had a small partnership
business on the side, never filed TurboTax's returns directly but used
their printouts as a way to organize his data for the convenience of a
professional tax accountant, schooled in the tax code. Year after year, my
friend would bring back the side-splitting revelations of TurboTax
mistakes by his accountant. So choose your weapons, but be sharp.

> http://www.irs.gov/formspubs/article/0,,id=133625,00.html
>
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> Ruby.
Enough - 20 Feb 2005 15:19 GMT
> The tax
> code, as I confirmed with IRS, allows you to offset the capital gain on US
> Savings bonds with college expenses.

R U RETARDED? The is NO WAY to have CAPITAL GAISN on a US Savings Bond.
What US Savings Bonds have is INTEREST! MORON!

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Jack Ferman - 19 Feb 2005 18:29 GMT
> > I just finished my 2004 tax return and discovered a significant flaw in
> > TurboTax. My tax situation is simple: just W2s, bank interest, state
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>
> Have you reported it to Intuit?

Over the past three weeks I have tried to communicate some problems with
their 'registration' and 'state return download' processes.  In all three
communiques their answers seemed not to grasp the questions and seemed to
imply I was at fault for not being able to 'work' their website. I
wearied, and did not tell them about their erroneous way of computing the
tax. I did inform IRS over the phone of the name and version of Intuit's
tax software.
 
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