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Mac Forum / Applications / Mac Applications / January 2005Is Itunes compatible with any other MP3 Player?
Or do I have to burn it to a CD and then back to an MP3 player to getit to play in something that is not an Ipod? Will Itunes burn to a CD-RW so I don't have to waste so many CDs just to get the MP3? Thanks for any help. > Or do I have to burn it to a CD and then back to an MP3 player to getit > to play in something that is not an Ipod? Will Itunes burn to a CD-RW > so I don't have to waste so many CDs just to get the MP3? Thanks > for any help. iTunes is simply a manager for audio files. Those files don't necessarily "belong" to iTunes, so you can do whatever you want with them, including put them on your non-Apple MP3 player. iTunes will even synch with most players for downloading the songs onto the player. However, if you are talking about the iTunes music store... that's another story. You can only play those files on an iPod. > > Or do I have to burn it to a CD and then back to an MP3 player to getit > > to play in something that is not an Ipod? Will Itunes burn to a CD-RW [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > However, if you are talking about the iTunes music store... that's > another story. You can only play those files on an iPod. Not quite true -- you can burn a protected AAC to a CD, re-rip them as MP3s, then play them anywhere (for the price of a small hit in audio quality). You can also use Hymn to remove the copy protection (or could, until this last update), then use iTunes to convert the AAC to an MP3 for use on a regular MP3 player. ----j7y  Signaturejere7my tho?rpe | "The land knows whom it sent out; (440) 775-1522 | In the place of human beings jere7my2@oberlin.net | Their ashes in urns http://jere7my.livejournal.com | Come back to each man's house." --- Aeschylus, The Agamemnon > You can also use Hymn to remove the copy protection (or > could, until this last update), then use iTunes to convert the AAC to an > MP3 for use on a regular MP3 player. Why go through the last step when JHymn will do it for you? > Why go through the last step when JHymn will do it for you? I wont use JHymn because this product has not yet earned my trust. I won't consider trying it because my music collection is too valuable to risk JHymn performing the transformation less than 100% accurately and completely. Here are the reasons why: 1. iTunes allows the transformation in a slow but easy and proven procedure (burn to AudioCD format on CDRW, then re-import). 2. iTunes only allows a [protected] AAC to be burned 5 times... performing the procedure above guarantees success while using only "one" burn... while JHymn may cost me more burns over time based on problems described by all of you, or _by problems not yet identified_. 3. JHymn wasn't expecting Apple to change protection methods (?!), so iTunes 4.7.1 surprised them, and caused some of you a fair amount of frustration - meaning lots of time lost to having to re-scrub and re-convert, lost tracks, or otherwise. Time is money - I dont want to spend any time "fixing" previously converted JHymn tracks... for less than 10 tracks I would just repurchase them at 99cents each, for more than 10 tracks I would just buy the album, but I would never consider putting myself to work for less than $10/hour to _fix_ tracks...when the outcome is not guaranteed. 4. Comments made by JHymn on their own website indicate that they dont have a thorough enough knowledge of iTunes to provide us with a reasonably dependable solution. These comments include speculation, self-doubt and emotion. The the last comment worries us the most - it alludes to beating Apple's protection, but in reality it is JHymn and its users who suffered. "...I'm not sure what exactly happens..." "...those tracks are somehow flagged..." "...The only thing that seems to clear this flag is..." "...I stupidly did this by accident myself last night..." "...there's probably some ...[script]... to save and restore playcounts..." "... it won't hurt if it re-scrubs stuff..." "...plays fine now in itunes and ipod. sorry, apple. try again next time!" I LOVE open source software, and the use of freeware/shareware. I encourage development of software to fill the gaps that the large vendors gave us. I encourage people to circulate and test their *ware for feedback and effectiveness. As I mentioned at the beginning of my post is that the tradeoff with *ware is it that users risk the unexpected. In the case of JHymn, the risk is too high for some of us. I do look forward to JHymn working out its issues and becoming a better, stable, and more predictable product in the near future... and will consider trying it _then_. SignatureTJ Talluto torpedo51 at yahoo dot com > 2. iTunes only allows a [protected] AAC to be burned 5 times... Absolutely incorrect. A *playlist* containing any protected AAC files can be burned a maximum of *seven* times without changing the playlist. Change the playlist around (or just recreate it again in the same order), and you get another 7 burns. That's the keep the record people happy, I suppose, making it slightly harder for your to use your iMac as a CD-copying lab. Unlike the WMA-based music stores, there is NO LIMIT to the number of times a particular song can be burned to CD or transferred to a portable music player. (Read the fine print on stores like buymusic.com and you'll find that they DO have those restrictions, and you literally CAN run out of CD burns on a particular song. Not the case with iTunes.) SignatureGarner R. Miller Clifton Park, NY =USA= Thanks for your clarification that further reinforces my position... can you also briefly describe the reality of iTunes' "maximum distribution to five concurrent machines" limit? I think that would be helpful to everyone. SignatureTJ Talluto torpedo51 at yahoo dot com I don't mind if I can use ad CDRW. I can change a playlist around. I wouldn't do it that often anyway. I just want someway to use a different MP3 player if I desire. > Thanks for your clarification that further reinforces my > position... can you also briefly describe the reality of iTunes' > "maximum distribution to five concurrent machines" limit? I think > that would be helpful to everyone. It's very simple. In order for iTunes to play a protected file, it must be authorized. The authorization process involves contacting Apple over the internet to validate the DRM in the file against the account that paid for the song. Only five computers can be authorized at a time. If you try to authorize a sixth, the Apple server will reject the attempt. If you are getting rid of a computer or need to do a clean re-install of the system software or something, you can de-authorize the computer from within iTunes. This will make the computer unable to play the protected tracks anymore, and will inform the Apple server so that you can use that authorization on another computer (or the same computer) later on. If you forget to do this, and you use up all your authorizations, you should be able to contact Apple's iTunes customer support and ask them to revoke all your authorizations - forcing you to re-authorize your computers, but also resetting the count. I haven't personally tried this last bit, but some posts to various forums soon after iTMS was introduced have said that Apple will do this if you need them to. -- David I tried it with at a DVD RW and it stopped at 12 songs 1.41 hours. So there must be some cap. >> 2. iTunes only allows a [protected] AAC to be burned 5 times... > Absolutely incorrect. For the benefit of other readers, Mr.Miller's [dramatic] description of my typo mistake above additionally supports my point. I intended to write: "iTunes only allows a _playlist containing_ a [protected AAC to be burned _7_ times...[at the time of writing I was considering the other limitation of file distribution to only 5 concurrent machines] Mr.Miller clarifies that by restructuring or replacing your playlist that contains that or those [protected] AAC files, then you can easily circumvent the limitation(s). Thanks for clarifying that for us. This continues to demonstrate that iTunes is a reasonably good and dependable solution for being your MP3 lab, if you are not willing to risk *ware. SignatureTJ Talluto torpedo51 at yahoo dot com > I wont use JHymn because this product has not yet earned my trust. I won't > consider trying it because my music collection is too valuable to risk > JHymn performing the transformation less than 100% accurately and > completely. If your music collection is that valuable, surely you back it up regularly. SignatureMike Rosenberg <http://www.macconsult.com> Macintosh consulting services for NE Florida <http://bogart-tribute.net> Tribute to Humphrey Bogart Toyota Prius fans: Check out alt.autos.toyota.prius > If your music collection is that valuable, surely you back it up > regularly. Of course I do, but that isn't the point. This thread isn't about backups, its about why I don't want to use this freeware when iTunes provides an easy, slow, yet dependable solution. My point is that I don't want to have to lose or re-rip or re-convert the tracks to MP3s several times because this freeware and its developers haven't matured enough to be dependable and consistent. I certainly hope they do mature, performing the conversion in batch mode for my 8500 tracks rather than ripping those to CDRWs would certainly be a time saver. SignatureTJ Talluto torpedo51 at yahoo dot com I mean songs that I buy from itunes music store that are currently sitting on my computer that say .aac. I can burn them and reimport them, but that's about it. But I don't see anything better from MS and the DRM (I think that's what it is). > I mean songs that I buy from itunes music store that are currently > sitting on my computer that say .aac. I can burn them and reimport > them, but that's about it. Correct. The only way to get those songs in MP3 format is to burn them to Audo-CD and then mount the CD again. Now you can select a song from that CD in iTunes and choose 'Convert to MP3'. SignatureJohan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.nl/ > The only way to get those songs in MP3 format is to burn them > to Audo-CD and then mount the CD again. Now you can select a song from > that CD in iTunes and choose 'Convert to MP3'. Not so. JHymn will create mp3's directly from the store-bought files without doing a thing to the originals and it's all automated. Please use responsibly. http://hymn-project.org/jhymndoc/ > I mean songs that I buy from itunes music store that are currently > sitting on my computer that say .aac. They're .m4p files, not .aac. Do you actually _have_ any iTMS files? > I can burn them and reimport > them, but that's about it. Hymn will allow you to convert them. <http://www.pure-mac.com/mp3.html> > But I don't see anything better from MS and > the DRM (I think that's what it is). SignatureWe are Microsoft of Borg. You will be assimilated. Stability is irrelevant. Where _you_ want to go to today is irrelevant. We will add your currency to our own. Bend over right now. Resistance is futile. > I mean songs that I buy from itunes music store that are currently > sitting on my computer that say .aac. I can burn them and reimport > them, but that's about it. Songs that you buy from ITMS are protected AAC files, with the extension .m4p. Those need to have the protection removed before they can be converted to MP3s; you can burn them and reimport them, or you can use something like Hymn to do the job. Unprotected AAC files have the extension .m4a, and iTunes can convert them to MP3 directly. No need to burn and reimport. Both these methods cause a little hit in sound quality, but many people can't tell the difference. ----j7y Signaturejere7my tho?rpe | "The land knows whom it sent out; (440) 775-1522 | In the place of human beings jere7my2@oberlin.net | Their ashes in urns http://jere7my.livejournal.com | Come back to each man's house." --- Aeschylus, The Agamemnon > Or do I have to burn it to a CD and then back to an MP3 player to getit > to play in something that is not an Ipod? Will Itunes burn to a CD-RW > so I don't have to waste so many CDs just to get the MP3? Thanks > for any help. That depends what you are talking about. If you are talking about songs you bought from iTunes Music Store (MP4) then yes, you have to burn them to Audio-CD before you can convert them to MP3. I never tried if you can use CD-RW for that, but I suppose you can. SignatureJohan W. Elzenga johan<<at>>johanfoto.nl Editor / Photographer http://www.johanfoto.nl/ |
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