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Jostein - 26 Oct 2004 17:13 GMT
Is there a way to create perfect (not only screen resolution) on the
mac without Acrobat? If so, what is the cheapest way?
Dave Hinz - 26 Oct 2004 17:52 GMT
> Is there a way to create perfect (not only screen resolution) on the
> mac without Acrobat? If so, what is the cheapest way?

Print to the PDF "printer" that is installed with OSX.
Jostein - 26 Oct 2004 18:17 GMT
>> Is there a way to create perfect (not only screen resolution) on the
>> mac without Acrobat? If so, what is the cheapest way?
>  Print to the PDF "printer" that is installed with OSX.
But I then only get screen resolution on it, no?
Is there a cheap way get pdfs with a higher resolution without Acrobat?
Dave Hinz - 26 Oct 2004 18:35 GMT
>>> Is there a way to create perfect (not only screen resolution) on the
>>> mac without Acrobat? If so, what is the cheapest way?
>>  Print to the PDF "printer" that is installed with OSX.

> But I then only get screen resolution on it, no?

No, you'll get the full resolution of the source document that you are
printing.

> Is there a cheap way get pdfs with a higher resolution without Acrobat?

Maybe you could give an example of what specifically you're doing?

Dave Hinz
Jostein - 26 Oct 2004 19:33 GMT
>>>> Is there a way to create perfect (not only screen resolution) on the
>>>> mac without Acrobat? If so, what is the cheapest way?
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>
> Dave Hinz

I am writing a book (in Appleworks) and I want to send the manuscript
to publishers as a pdf-file. But I want it to have a higher resolution
than screen-resolution. I was told, by a "guru" that the "save as pdf"-
option made to low a resolution for publishing. I am also thinking
about selfpublishing it, but I do not have much money to buy software
with at the moment. Therfor it has to be cheap. I do however want it to
look a good as possible.
Tom Harrington - 26 Oct 2004 20:02 GMT
> I am writing a book (in Appleworks) and I want to send the manuscript
> to publishers as a pdf-file. But I want it to have a higher resolution
> than screen-resolution. I was told, by a "guru" that the "save as pdf"-
> option made to low a resolution for publishing.

I don't know what publishers require.  But it's simply not true that
printing to PDF on Mac OS X will give you screen-resolution documents.

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Tacit - 26 Oct 2004 20:06 GMT
>I am writing a book (in Appleworks) and I want to send the manuscript
>to publishers as a pdf-file.

I'd suggest you speak to the publishers first--most publishers have extremely
specific requirements about file format, and absolutely, positively will not
accept, or even look at, any file or submission that does not meet their
submission guidelines.

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Wayne C. Morris - 26 Oct 2004 20:32 GMT
> I am writing a book (in Appleworks) and I want to send the manuscript
> to publishers as a pdf-file. But I want it to have a higher resolution
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> with at the moment. Therfor it has to be cheap. I do however want it to
> look a good as possible.

Your "guru" is wrong.  Any fonts and graphics you use in your document will
be embedded as-is, they won't be scaled down.  The resolution will be
identical to the original document.  Try it yourself: Use the Save as PDF
option on a document, open it with Adobe Reader, and zoom in on it.  
Compare it to the original Appleworks document at the same zoom factor.

In fact, there are utilities available which shrink PDF files; one of the
things they do is scale the embedded graphics down to a desired resolution.
Dorian Gray - 27 Oct 2004 18:39 GMT
> I am writing a book (in Appleworks) and I want to send the manuscript
> to publishers as a pdf-file.

Beware, the OS X pdf engine doesn't always work properly.  For example,
the symbol used for bullet points (at least the solid, default one in
Word) will not appear in the pdf file.  My solution to this is to use
the hollow bullet symbol instead.

My advice is to check your pdf document carefully against your
Appleworks document before sending it to anyone.
Daryl Forrest - 27 Oct 2004 19:15 GMT
> > I am writing a book (in Appleworks) and I want to send the manuscript
> > to publishers as a pdf-file.
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> My advice is to check your pdf document carefully against your
> Appleworks document before sending it to anyone.

I cannot reproduce this issue. The standard Mac bullet character ('€',
creating by typing <option-8>) looks fine for me in PDFs created via the
standard Mac OS X 10.3.5 print dialog in TextEdit as well as Word 2004.
I tried manually typing the bullet character in both applications, and
also had Word 2004 create it automatically as part of a bulleted list.

Have you tried applications other than Word?

Are you using Word 2004, Word X, or an older version?

Have you uninstalled/deactivated any standard Mac OS X or Microsoft
Office fonts?

- Daryl Forrest
Dorian Gray - 28 Oct 2004 16:56 GMT
> > > I am writing a book (in Appleworks) and I want to send the manuscript
> > > to publishers as a pdf-file.
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>
> I cannot reproduce this issue.

Hi Daryl,

I am using Word X, but I don't think it matters.  I did not say the
option-8 symbol, which pdf's fine, I said the default solid symbol for
bullet points used in Word (try creating a bullet list in Word in the
standard way).  This is a well-known issue, check groups.google.  The
point is that some symbols/fonts (even commonly-used ones) do not come
out on the pdf.

Cheers.
AES/newspost - 28 Oct 2004 23:05 GMT
> I am using Word X, but I don't think it matters.  I did not say the
> option-8 symbol, which pdf's fine, I said the default solid symbol for
> bullet points used in Word (try creating a bullet list in Word in the
> standard way).  This is a well-known issue, check groups.google.  The
> point is that some symbols/fonts (even commonly-used ones) do not come
> out on the pdf.

I have essentially the same problem -- or at least something very
similar -- with bullets in PowerPoint presentations not being properly
converted to PDF.  

If the original font in the PowerPoint version is Helvetica, the bullets
come out as what I believe are Japanese yen symbols in the PDF version
-- and I've been told this is a known problem.
 
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