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Duncan Langford - 21 Oct 2004 10:23 GMT
G5, 10.3.5 and an elderly copy of Photoshop 5.02, which has done all that I
needed for years. Unfortunately, I now need to edit an Illustrator file,
and my Photoshop tells me it can't parse the file...

Is there any way at all of accessing a .ai file without buying either
Illustrator or a new copy of Photoshop? I don't want to do anything beyond
changing a few lines of text!

Advice much appreciated.

- duncan
Tacit - 21 Oct 2004 15:51 GMT
>Is there any way at all of accessing a .ai file without buying either
>Illustrator or a new copy of Photoshop? I don't want to do anything beyond
>changing a few lines of text!

If you want to change text, for God's sake, don't use Photoshop! Photoshop will
rasterize the Illustrator file--break it up into pixels--and as a result, it
will no longer print smoothly at any size.

You can get Illustrator, or ask whoever gave it to you to save it in another
format, such as PDF.

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dano - 21 Oct 2004 18:02 GMT
> >Is there any way at all of accessing a .ai file without buying either
> >Illustrator or a new copy of Photoshop? I don't want to do anything beyond
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> You can get Illustrator, or ask whoever gave it to you to save it in another
> format, such as PDF.

Will Expression open Illustrator files?
(I'll test it later today and report back.)
dano - 21 Oct 2004 21:49 GMT
> > >Is there any way at all of accessing a .ai file without buying either
> > >Illustrator or a new copy of Photoshop? I don't want to do anything beyond
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Will Expression open Illustrator files?
> (I'll test it later today and report back.)

The resident expert in the Microsoft Expression forum says "sometimes",
depending on what is in the Illustrator file itself. I tested on a .ai
and the file opened but no content was displayed.
sbt - 21 Oct 2004 18:19 GMT
> >Is there any way at all of accessing a .ai file without buying either
> >Illustrator or a new copy of Photoshop? I don't want to do anything beyond
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> You can get Illustrator, or ask whoever gave it to you to save it in another
> format, such as PDF.

Wade, this is incorrect. Photoshop maintains text on text layers unless
you explicitly rasterize it. You can also create shapes that aren't
rasterized. While Photoshop doesn't have nearly the highend diversity
of Illustrator when it comes to vector graphics, it does have a great
deal of vector graphic support -- you just have to have the vector
graphcis and raster graphics on separate layers.

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Tacit - 21 Oct 2004 19:36 GMT
>Wade, this is incorrect. Photoshop maintains text on text layers unless
>you explicitly rasterize it.

NOT IF THE TEXT IS IN AN ILLUSTRATOR FILE. Open an Illustrator file in
Photoshop and *every part* of the Illustrator file, including text, is
rasterized! (Try it.)

>You can also create shapes that aren't
>rasterized.

Not from an Illustrator file.

>While Photoshop doesn't have nearly the highend diversity
>of Illustrator when it comes to vector graphics, it does have a great
>deal of vector graphic support -- you just have to have the vector
>graphcis and raster graphics on separate layers.

Which you can't do if your original file was created in Illustrator and then
brought into Photoshop--precisely what the original poster was talking about
doing.

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dano - 21 Oct 2004 18:03 GMT
> G5, 10.3.5 and an elderly copy of Photoshop 5.02, which has done all that I
> needed for years. Unfortunately, I now need to edit an Illustrator file,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Advice much appreciated.

Oops. Forgot the URL.

This is the vector art creator Expression that used to be with Creature
House until MS swallowed them up. The Mac version is free. At least for
now.

<http://www.microsoft.com/products/expression/default.asp?pg=dl>
Heather Donahue - 27 Oct 2004 22:09 GMT
> G5, 10.3.5 and an elderly copy of Photoshop 5.02, which has done all that I
> needed for years. Unfortunately, I now need to edit an Illustrator file,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Illustrator or a new copy of Photoshop? I don't want to do anything beyond
> changing a few lines of text!

If the ai file was created with a recent Illustrator version that makes
PDF compatible files, you should be able to open it in Acrobat Pro.  The
Pro version can edit text, so long as you have the fonts for the text
you need to change. Something tells me you don't have Acrobat Pro.

I would suggest getting Illustrator, it's a very useful application for
any one working in graphics.

If you have a Kinko's
<http://www.fedex.com/us/officeprint/storesvcs/technology/computers.html>
nearby, you can rent some time on a workstation, they should have
Illustrator. The other option is getting a corrected copy from the
creator.
AES/newspost - 27 Oct 2004 23:06 GMT
> > G5, 10.3.5 and an elderly copy of Photoshop 5.02, which has done all that I
> > needed for years. Unfortunately, I now need to edit an Illustrator file,
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Illustrator. The other option is getting a corrected copy from the
> creator.

Probably the Illustrator file is a _vector_ graphic (lines, points,
circles, etc), since that's what Illustrator is primarily designed for.

If so, Photoshop can't handle it at all, because Photoshop edits only
_pixel_ images (JPEGs, etc).

GraphicConverter is your friend (and everyone else's who has a Mac).  It
can probably open the .ai file and create a pixel version of it (losing
all the underlying vector information in the process), which Photoshop
can then edit (but only pixel by pixel).

The recommendation for buying Illustrator is a good one, if you do much
graphics.  So is purchasing Adobe Acrobat (_not_ just the free Acrobat
Reader, which "reads" only -- no editing or conversion capabilities).
Duncan Langford - 28 Oct 2004 16:22 GMT
> > Is there any way at all of accessing a .ai file without buying either
> > Illustrator or a new copy of Photoshop? I don't want to do anything beyond
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Pro version can edit text, so long as you have the fonts for the text
> you need to change. Something tells me you don't have Acrobat Pro.

Sorry; that something is actually wrong - 'cos I actually DO have Acrobat
Pro; but sadly the file it produces bears very little resemblance to the
original. Converting an Illustrator file with Acrobat Pro - or this file,
at least! - clearly doesn't work.

> I would suggest getting Illustrator, it's a very useful application for
> any one working in graphics.

That's increasingly looking as though it's the only option; but just to
change a few lines of text, it's surely a) overkill and b) expensive!

> If you have a Kinko's
> <http://www.fedex.com/us/officeprint/storesvcs/technology/computers.html>
> nearby, you can rent some time on a workstation, they should have
> Illustrator.

No Kinko's in the UK, I fear...

> The other option is getting a corrected copy from the
> creator.

Who has left; which is why it's my problem now....

Thanks, anyway!

- duncan
Tacit - 28 Oct 2004 16:52 GMT
>> If the ai file was created with a recent Illustrator version that makes
>> PDF compatible files, you should be able to open it in Acrobat Pro.  The
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>original. Converting an Illustrator file with Acrobat Pro - or this file,
>at least! - clearly doesn't work.

Correct; you'll have to get whoever sent you the Illustrator file to send it to
you again as a PDF. (Newer versions of Illustrator can save an Illustrator file
directly as a PDF, but you can't use Acrobat to turn a .ai file into a .pdf.)

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Garner Miller - 28 Oct 2004 16:58 GMT
> No Kinko's in the UK, I fear...

Well, I took this a month ago in London:

http://www.garnermiller.com/kinkos.jpg

Surprised the heck out of me, too.  That's why I took the picture!  Not
sure if they rent computer time or not, but those look like rental PCs
through the window.  Couldn't hurt to ask...

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Heather Donahue - 29 Oct 2004 01:57 GMT
> > > Is there any way at all of accessing a .ai file without buying either
> > > Illustrator or a new copy of Photoshop? I don't want to do anything beyond
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> original. Converting an Illustrator file with Acrobat Pro - or this file,
> at least! - clearly doesn't work.

I'm sure it's the file, the version of Illustrator used to create it
probably doesn't include PDF compatibility.

If it did, you'd be able to open it with Acrobat Pro, make your changes
and save it as a PDF file.  The PDF would still be Illustrator
compatible after your changes.

Your other options are, probably, find a service bureau that can make
the changes for you, or leases time on workstations, or find a friend
with Illustrator.

I think you should really look into getting a copy of Illustrator. You
might not even have to buy it new, find an upgradeable copy of
Illustrator 10 on eBay or something. That's how I got Adobe After
Effects, bought version 4.1 on eBay and upgraded to 6.5.  Saved about
$250 US.
 
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