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I want to use my computer to allow 2-page, side-by-side, pages of music for my organ. While I can do it with Preview, for some reason, the first page always wants to be by itself. this means I have to scan in the 1st page of the music twice and then the rest of the pages. Kind of a PITA. Since most of my music is 2 pages, it isn't a horrible solution, but is there something better than Preview at this?? thanks Lloyd > I want to use my computer to allow 2-page, side-by-side, pages of music > for my organ Ewwwww... GROSS!  SignatureSend responses to the relevant news group rather than to me, as E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. Use a real news client if you want me to see your posts. JR > I want to use my computer to allow 2-page, side-by-side, pages of music > for my organ. While I can do it with Preview, for some reason, the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > thanks > Lloyd There's Adobe Acrobat Reader or app, and there is a plugin for browsers that allows this. I can see two pages side by side in my Safari and FF with Schubert. <http://www.schubert-it.com/> Signaturedorayme > > I want to use my computer to allow 2-page, side-by-side, pages of music > > for my organ. While I can do it with Preview, for some reason, the [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > <http://www.schubert-it.com/> thanks. > > > I want to use my computer to allow 2-page, side-by-side, pages of music > > > for my organ. While I can do it with Preview, for some reason, the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > thanks. But look again at what Wayne has said. In the Preview app, look at the View menu. There is a PDF Display submenu, click on PDF Display to see. Signaturedorayme > > > > I want to use my computer to allow 2-page, side-by-side, pages of music > > > > for my organ. While I can do it with Preview, for some reason, the [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > But look again at what Wayne has said. In the Preview app, look at the > View menu. There is a PDF Display submenu, click on PDF Display to see. I have and did again. Under that menu the choices are : One page One page continuous Two pages Two pages continuous Crop Box Media Box If I select either of the 2 page settings, I get 2 pages side-by-side AFTER the 1st page. The first page always wants to stand alone. > There's Adobe Acrobat Reader or app, and there is a plugin for browsers > that allows this. I can see two pages side by side in my Safari and FF > with Schubert. > > <http://www.schubert-it.com/> Note that Schubert is only available for PPC Macs, or was the last time I looked. Skim is a nice free alternative to Preview, which also does what the OP wants: <http://skim-app.sourceforge.net/> > > There's Adobe Acrobat Reader or app, and there is a plugin for browsers > > that allows this. I can see two pages side by side in my Safari and FF [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Skim is a nice free alternative to Preview, which also does what the OP > wants: <http://skim-app.sourceforge.net/> I didn't know that about Schubert. I got Skim last night, but it wouldn't run for some strange reason. After reading this, I tried to run it again and it worked just fine. And you are right, it does EXACTLY what I want! Count me as happy as a clam!! <G> Thanks Lloyd > I want to use my computer to allow 2-page, side-by-side, pages of music > for my organ. While I can do it with Preview, for some reason, the > first page always wants to be by itself. Under the View -> PDF Display sub-menu, check "Facing Pages" and uncheck "Book Mode". In article <wayne.morris-B98A6B.23270122092008@shawnews.wp.shawcable.net>, > > I want to use my computer to allow 2-page, side-by-side, pages of music > > for my organ. While I can do it with Preview, for some reason, the > > first page always wants to be by itself. > > Under the View -> PDF Display sub-menu, check "Facing Pages" and uncheck > "Book Mode". ?? I don't see any selection under View PDF Display sub-menu like those. Are we talking Preview or something else?? > > > I want to use my computer to allow 2-page, side-by-side, pages of > > > music for my organ. While I can do it with Preview, for some [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I don't see any selection under View PDF Display sub-menu like those. > Are we talking Preview or something else?? Preview 3.0.9 on Mac OS 10.4.11. Don't tell me they removed those options on Leopard? Maybe they moved those options somewhere else. Try checking Preview Preferences, or search Preview Help for "PDF" and look for an item about viewing pages side-by-side. In article <wayne.morris-2E51DB.16414423092008@shawnews.wp.shawcable.net>, > > > > I want to use my computer to allow 2-page, side-by-side, pages of > > > > music for my organ. While I can do it with Preview, for some [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > checking Preview Preferences, or search Preview Help for "PDF" and look > for an item about viewing pages side-by-side. It isn't there with OSX 10.5.x. In article <wayne.morris-2E51DB.16414423092008@shawnews.wp.shawcable.net>, Wayne C. Morris <wayne.morris@this.is.invalid> wrote: > > > > I want to use my computer to allow 2-page, side-by-side, pages of > > > > music for my organ. While I can do it with Preview, for some [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > checking Preview Preferences, or search Preview Help for "PDF" and look > for an item about viewing pages side-by-side. Yeah, they appear to be gone and after a brief survey of defaults, it appears that the setting used for facing pages is no longer recognized for that purpose, but turns on "Two Pages". SignatureSpenser > C. Morris <wayne.morris@this.is.invalid> wrote: > > > > Under the View -> PDF Display sub-menu, check "Facing Pages" and > > > > uncheck "Book Mode". > > Preview 3.0.9 on Mac OS 10.4.11. Don't tell me they removed those > > options on Leopard? Maybe they moved those options somewhere else. Try > > Yeah, they appear to be gone and after a brief survey of defaults, it Wayne, I wonder if you (or someone else running Preview 3.09) could dump the text contents of their Preferences/com.apple.Preview.plist for us. There was no setting indicating "Book Mode" anywhere in my prefs file for Preview 4 under 10.5, but it's possible that the setting may be able to be recognised by the program even if it's not listed in the plist by default or accessible under the GUI. It's certainly worth a few moments to experiment. If I knew the name of the setting (it'd be inside the Preview dictionary inside the file, inside a pair of <key>Something</key> brackets - that's where the settings are all stored. Of course, this is just wishful thinking. But if it is there, we could easily come up with a command line for someone to run to add the setting flag to his plist file and thus flip to book mode even though there is no GUI menu access to it. If it's there. This is just a guess! SignaturePlain Bread alone for e-mail, thanks. The rest gets trashed. No HTML in E-Mail! -- http://www.expita.com/nomime.html Are you posting responses that are easy for others to follow? http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/2000/06/14/quoting > > > Under the View -> PDF Display sub-menu, check "Facing Pages" and > > > uncheck "Book Mode". > Preview 3.0.9 on Mac OS 10.4.11. Don't tell me they removed those They're certainly not there in Preview v 4.1 under 10.5.5 I could find no way to modify the default behavior ("book mode" is an apt name for it - it's like a printed book, where pages two and three may both be viewed at one time). SignaturePlain Bread alone for e-mail, thanks. The rest gets trashed. No HTML in E-Mail! -- http://www.expita.com/nomime.html Are you posting responses that are easy for others to follow? http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/2000/06/14/quoting > I want to use my computer to allow 2-page, side-by-side, pages of music > for my organ. While I can do it with Preview, for some reason, the > first page always wants to be by itself. Doesn't that make sense, though? When you open a book to page two, you see two pages - page two and page three. If they shifted them all by one, two-page spreads would not come out right. Page one is always on your right. What would you put to the left of it? Admittedly, it ought to be an option to ignore this normal state for books for which two-page layouts don't matter. But it *is* a normal layout. SignaturePlain Bread alone for e-mail, thanks. The rest gets trashed. No HTML in E-Mail! -- http://www.expita.com/nomime.html Are you posting responses that are easy for others to follow? http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/2000/06/14/quoting > Doesn't that make sense, though? Not for music. > When you open a book to page two, you see two pages - page two and page > three. If they shifted them all by one, two-page spreads would not come > out right. If you have music with an even number of pages, it is much better for the first page to be a verso page instead of a recto page. Cheers, -j SignatureJeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings. http://improve-usenet.org/ >> When you open a book to page two, you see two pages - page two and page >> three. If they shifted them all by one, two-page spreads would not come >> out right. > > If you have music with an even number of pages, it is much better for > the first page to be a verso page instead of a recto page. Better said; If you have 2-pages music, you want to see it all rather than having to turn pages during performance. SignatureThank you and have a nice day. >> If you have music with an even number of pages, it is much better for the >> first page to be a verso page instead of a recto page. > > Better said; If you have 2-pages music, you want to see it all rather than > having to turn pages during performance. My statement is more general. Consider four pages of music. If it started like a book on the recto page, you would need to turn a page twice during a performance: between 1 and 2 and between 3 and 4. But if the first page is on the left (verso), then only one turn of a page is needed. (That assumes no repeats.) And it is not just turns of the page, but being able see a larger amount of the music at one time. Having two two-page spreads is far better than having only one two-page spreads and two one-page spreads. So for any even number of pages, starting on the left will save one turn of a page and always maximize the amount of visible music at any one time. Of course when repeats are taken into account there may be exceptions. If repeats in a four page piece send you back and forth between pages 2 and 3 then starting on right would be better. I believe that quality music engravers attempt to avoid dividing pages that way when they can. Cheers, -j SignatureJeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings. http://improve-usenet.org/ > > Doesn't that make sense, though? > > Not for music. I wasn't aware that there were exceptions. Does the music not have a title page which may be used as page 1, so that the two page music spans pages two and three? > > When you open a book to page two, you see two pages - page two and > > page three. If they shifted them all by one, two-page spreads would > > not come out right. > > If you have music with an even number of pages, it is much better for > the first page to be a verso page instead of a recto page. I'm sure that's the case. Clearly, though, before you open it up to that two page spread, you are looking at something. What is that - page zero? As I said, there's no reason for Preview or Acrobat to NOT offer the option to pretend that there's a page zero (ie. to show pages one and two as facing pages), but it certainly makes sense for the default behavior to be as it is. Perhaps a more recent version of Adobe Reader (the last one I looked at was 7.0 and I think it's up to 9 now) offers this as an option. SignaturePlain Bread alone for e-mail, thanks. The rest gets trashed. No HTML in E-Mail! -- http://www.expita.com/nomime.html Are you posting responses that are easy for others to follow? http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/2000/06/14/quoting > > > Doesn't that make sense, though? > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > have a title page which may be used as page 1, so that the two > page music spans pages two and three? Individual sheet music does have a title page, books of collections don't except for the overall book title. But you don't play titles do you? I play the music. :) > > > When you open a book to page two, you see two pages - page two and > > > page three. If they shifted them all by one, two-page spreads would [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > looked at was 7.0 and I think it's up to 9 now) offers this as > an option. Neither Preview nor AR do what I want as far as I can figure out. In <lloydparsons-950E56.11321123092008@news.individual.net>, Lloyd Parsons...: > Neither Preview nor AR do what I want as far as I can figure out. In the worst case, you could add a title page (Preview allows you to add pages from one PDF to another) which you just ignore after that. -j SignatureJeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings. http://improve-usenet.org/ >> > > Doesn't that make sense, though? >> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Individual sheet music does have a title page, books of collections > don't except for the overall book title. Wrong. As a professional musician, almost without exception the score opens to TWO pages. Musicians can read ahead. >Neither Preview nor AR do what I want as far as I can figure out. I haven't yet installed the latest version of Adobe Reader, but in the Version 8 which I have, I think you would want to go to the View->Page Display menu, select Two-Up, and then either check or uncheck "Show Cover Page During Two-Up" (which is found in the same Page Display menu) to see if one of the two settings of this toggle will give you what you want. Mike > Does the music not have a title page which may be used as page 1, so > that the two page music spans pages two and three? Published sheet music does do exactly that, but the difference between music and text persists. In text (for left to right languages like English) the contents of the first (and typically every) chapter will start on the right. So you read one single page, then turn the page, and only then are you presented with a two-page spread of content. With sheet music, all of the copyright or publisher information is on the very front or very back, so the second page of the physical document is where the content begins. These conventions for music aren't arbitrary. The do make the music easier to read and perform. Cheers, -j SignatureJeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings. http://improve-usenet.org/ >> Does the music not have a title page which may be used as page 1, so that >> the two page music spans pages two and three? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > or very back, so the second page of the physical document is where the > content begins. Yes. The front page is NOT page 1. > > I want to use my computer to allow 2-page, side-by-side, pages of music > > for my organ. While I can do it with Preview, for some reason, the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > state for books for which two-page layouts don't matter. > But it *is* a normal layout. Hmm.... I hadn't thought of it that way. Makes sense. But I still would like it to do it differently. thanks > I want to use my computer to allow 2-page, side-by-side, pages of music > for my organ. Have a look at Papers, http://mekentosj.com/papers/ It has been done for a different setting, but its full screen reading mode might just be perfect for you - and you can put your entire library in place, like iTunes. HTH Marc Signatureremove bye and from mercial to get valid e-mail <http://www.heusser.com> In article <marc.heusser-DA43E8.16263823092008@news.uzh.ch>, Marc Heusser <marc.heusser@byeheusser.commercialspammers.invalid> wrote: > > I want to use my computer to allow 2-page, side-by-side, pages of music > > for my organ. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Marc Thanks for the link and recommendation. I downloaded a trial version. It is a bit of overkill for what I want, but then again, it does more than I had originally intended. It would be nice to have a collection of music PDFs all cataloged nicely. Neat program, next I'll have to figure out if it is worth $42 to me... Again, thanks a bunch. Lloyd |
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