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FF3 for Mac a disaster!

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Salgud - 28 Jun 2008 16:53 GMT
I downloaded and installed FF3 since I heard such great things about it.
Within hours, I trashed it and reinstalled FF2.
The first couple of hours I used FF3, it was fine. But when I tried to
put the history list in the side panel, the word "history" appeared at
the top of the panel, but my bookmarks remained in the display. I could
see my history list from the "History" item in the menu, but couldn't
display or search it in the side panel.
I posted a note in the FF forum, asking if this was a known bug. Someone
suggested I make sure that feature was turned on in FF Preferences. I
clicked on FF, Preferences, and nothing happened. No dialog, no message.
Nada!
I dumped it. I'm back to FF2 until they have another release to fix it
so it at least half way works on a Mac.
Just wanted to let people know that at least in some cases, FF3 for Mac
is not ready for prime time. Or even cable. Of course, YMMV.
Clive Sinclair - 28 Jun 2008 18:24 GMT
> I downloaded and installed FF3 since I heard such great things about it.
> Within hours, I trashed it and reinstalled FF2.
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> Just wanted to let people know that at least in some cases, FF3 for Mac
> is not ready for prime time. Or even cable. Of course, YMMV.

Not had the problem you commented on. Had FF3 since Beta and in general
it has been fine. The biggest complaint I have heard is plug-ins not
being compatible - but as the beta's have been around for a while, I
blame the plugin writers.

FF3 is not perfect, but not had any problems wothr reverting back to FF2.

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Philo D - 28 Jun 2008 19:19 GMT
I guess those who don't know what "FF" stands for have nothing to worry
about...
Gerry - 28 Jun 2008 19:34 GMT
> I guess those who don't know what "FF" stands for have nothing to worry
> about...

And here I thought it was a Future Farmers ménage a trois.
Barry Margolin - 28 Jun 2008 19:42 GMT
> I guess those who don't know what "FF" stands for have nothing to worry
> about...

Firefox.  A new major release came out last week.

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Heli - 28 Jun 2008 19:31 GMT
> > I downloaded and installed FF3 since I heard such great things about it.
> > Within hours, I trashed it and reinstalled FF2.
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>
> FF3 is not perfect, but not had any problems wothr reverting back to FF2.

FF3 also has problems with iWeb galleries and stuff like shadows and
other bells and whistles in iWeb. So for those sites you'd better use
Safari.
FF3 as compared to FF2 also has trouble with German accents on certain
sites. It does not show small things, like certain lines on webpages
and my own weblog does not fit the parts together well in FF.
So FF3 is not really for me. And where are those millions and millions
of improvements? I've seen some in the menu bars, but so far only a
pain in the neck.
Mr. Strat - 29 Jun 2008 18:23 GMT
> FF3 also has problems with iWeb galleries and stuff like shadows and
> other bells and whistles in iWeb. So for those sites you'd better use
> Safari.

People actually pay for and use iWeb? You have my deepest sympathies.
Heli - 29 Jun 2008 19:44 GMT
> > FF3 also has problems with iWeb galleries and stuff like shadows and
> > other bells and whistles in iWeb. So for those sites you'd better use
> > Safari.
>
> People actually pay for and use iWeb? You have my deepest sympathies.

You get it free with your computer. And it's the best webpage maker
around, easiest, fastest. No wonder the competition want to torpedo it.
Mr. Strat - 29 Jun 2008 21:02 GMT
> You get it free with your computer. And it's the best webpage maker
> around, easiest, fastest. No wonder the competition want to torpedo it.

You got what you paid for.
Heli - 29 Jun 2008 21:09 GMT
> > You get it free with your computer. And it's the best webpage maker
> > around, easiest, fastest. No wonder the competition want to torpedo it.
>
> You got what you paid for.

And that is the finest page maker around. And free. Jealous?
Dave Balderstone - 29 Jun 2008 21:13 GMT
> And that is the finest page maker around.

Snort!

That's FUNNY!

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Mr. Strat - 29 Jun 2008 22:41 GMT
> And that is the finest page maker around. And free. Jealous?

Not even. Tried it...thought it sucked a.s...threw it in the trash
where it belongs.
Michael Vilain - 30 Jun 2008 01:38 GMT
> > > You get it free with your computer. And it's the best webpage maker
> > > around, easiest, fastest. No wonder the competition want to torpedo it.
> >
> > You got what you paid for.
>
> And that is the finest page maker around. And free. Jealous?

YMMV (mine only does if I don't keep my engine in tune).

Look at Rapidweaver.  It's only $59.  It's a reasonable website tool
that produces multiple sites, much more multi-browser compatible pages
(they render very well on PC browsers which some people care about), and
allows you to do whole sites using "themes" rather than laying out each
site a page at at time.  It also allows you to host your site on any web
hosting service rather than requiring .MAC to get certain features to
work.  There are 3rd-party themes and add-ons (forums, easy CMS,
e-commerce, specialized layouts and effects) and a thriving developer
community.

iWeb may be OK for someone who doesn't really want to spend much time
getting a single site with few pages up and running and doesn't care
what they look like in PC browsers or how fast they load.

Sometimes, I'm glad I didn't drink the CoolAid...

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BreadWithSpam@fractious.net - 29 Jun 2008 23:26 GMT
[iWeb]

> You get it free with your computer. And it's the best webpage maker
> around, easiest, fastest. No wonder the competition want to torpedo it.

It may be the easiest.  Maybe.

But it does some really crappy things.  Like pages where
when published, it turns all the text into graphics.  That's
their easy shortcut for making styled text, but it makes
for unsearcheable pages with unselectable text and way
slower loading than necessary.

There are vastly better web page design tools out there,
some of them very inexpensive.

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sbt - 29 Jun 2008 23:43 GMT
> [iWeb]
>
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> There are vastly better web page design tools out there,
> some of them very inexpensive.

Okay, butting in here...

The complaint you register re turning text into graphics could, quite
fairly, be levied against the initial iWeb release (the one that came
with iLife06). That was one of many reasons I tried it out and rejected
it, although I didn't hesitate to recommend it to people I knew who
were, and would remain, absolutely clueless about creating,
maintaining, and publishing a website. For them, it was the only
solution I could recommend that didn't confuse them. If you don't have
any acquaintances or relatives who fall into that category, you
probably have a very small family and circle of acquaintances who would
ask you for technical advice.

However, the iWeb version that is part of iLife08 doesn't suffer from
that particular piece of egregious behavior and a number of my other
objections were likewise rendered moot. While it is still far from my
tool of choice for creating and maintaining "serious" sites, I now
consider it adequate enough for a few basic tasks, such as maintaining
my blog (which is now dead-simple to publish on .mac and probably on
its successor, .me).

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Mr. Strat - 30 Jun 2008 03:29 GMT
> However, the iWeb version that is part of iLife08 doesn't suffer from
> that particular piece of egregious behavior and a number of my other
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> my blog (which is now dead-simple to publish on .mac and probably on
> its successor, .me).

There's another reason I don't like it. .mac is an overpriced ripoff.
Király - 01 Jul 2008 01:07 GMT
> > FF3 also has problems with iWeb galleries and stuff like shadows and
> > other bells and whistles in iWeb. So for those sites you'd better use
> > Safari.
>
> People actually pay for and use iWeb? You have my deepest sympathies.

You are not the target audience for iWeb.  My wife is.

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Mr. Strat - 29 Jun 2008 18:22 GMT
> I downloaded and installed FF3 since I heard such great things about it.
> Within hours, I trashed it and reinstalled FF2.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Just wanted to let people know that at least in some cases, FF3 for Mac
> is not ready for prime time. Or even cable. Of course, YMMV.

I have no complaints with it, but I turn off autocomplete and
superfluous toolbars.
 
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