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Mac Forum / Applications / Mac Applications / June 2008Is Jobs essential to continuing success of Apple?
Any ideas?  SignatureWith or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. Steven Weinberg In article <Mencken-9589D0.20571021062008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > Any ideas? There was an article in one of the national news services just this week and their answer is no. They mentioned the design teams that create all those wonderful toys we all want and need are the real core to Apple (pun intended), and that one of the senior administration staff is well suited to be the heir apparent. In article <everyday-4FE0B6.21092821062008@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, > In article > <Mencken-9589D0.20571021062008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > (pun intended), and that one of the senior administration staff is well > suited to be the heir apparent. Yep, saw that. I posted here to see what the resident Mac/Apple cognoscenti thought about it. SignatureWith or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. Steven Weinberg In article <Mencken-E4E6FC.08140322062008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, Ockham's Razor <Mencken@pdx.net> wrote: > In article > <everyday-4FE0B6.21092821062008@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > I posted here to see what the resident Mac/Apple cognoscenti thought > about it. Contrary to popular "fuzzy" word usage, there is a difference between "essential" and "highly beneficial". I don't know that Job's continued presence is essential, but I do believe that his presence is extremely useful in focusing and directing the efforts of the design teams cited above. Jobs is a leader, charismatic to many and feared by some, who gets results a high percentage of the time. There are probably a number of individuals who can perform Jobs' job (pun intended), but the question is whether any of them can do so with equivalent panache -- only time and experience will determine if someone else will fill his shoes. SignatureSpenser In article <Mencken-9589D0.20571021062008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > Any ideas? None here. Sorry. SignaturePlease send all responses to the relevant news group rather than directly to me, as E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. Due to Google's refusal to prevent spammers from posting messages through their servers, I often ignore posts from Google Groups. You'll need to use a real news reader if you want me to see your posts. JR In article <Mencken-9589D0.20571021062008@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > Any ideas? Is there any doubt that he was essential in one of the most stunning turnarounds in world corporate history in a notoriously difficult tech sector? Or that over the last decade he has been, while filling Apple's coffers to almost unimaginable heights, one of the most imaginative, compelling, charismatic CEOs ever seen? Absoutely essential in the near past, yes. And it would be a great loss for Apple to lose his iconic presence now. But is he essential now? Probably not. Everyone gets it now. >Any ideas? Jobs are essential for people to have enough money to buy Apple products. Hopefully Jobs did a better job handing off the running of his company this time than he did the last time. > Hopefully Jobs did a better job handing off the running of his company > this time than he did the last time. _DID_ a better job? Past tense? Did I miss a major news announcement today? BTW, he was ousted the last time. SignatureI kill Google Groups posts. See http://improve-usenet.org for details. <http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://designsbymike.net/shop/greet.cgi> Holiday cards with attitude >> Hopefully Jobs did a better job handing off the running of his company >> this time than he did the last time. > >_DID_ a better job? Past tense? Did I miss a major news announcement >today? BTW, he was ousted the last time. If he's waiting until he's gone to create the corporate culture and leaders he wants for Apple after he leaves, then he's failing. I've read though that he has chosen his successor though. I don't know about the rest. > >> Hopefully Jobs did a better job handing off the running of his company > >> this time than he did the last time. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > If he's waiting until he's gone to create the corporate culture and > leaders he wants for Apple after he leaves, then he's failing. Your wording was kind of confusing; it sounded like you were talking about an actual event that had already occurred, not planning for a future event. > I've read though that he has chosen his successor though. I don't > know about the rest. <http://www.thestreet.com/s/most-read-replacing-apples-irreplaceable-ste ve-jobs/newsanalysis/technology-update/10422198.html> SignatureI kill Google Groups posts. See http://improve-usenet.org for details. <http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://designsbymike.net/shop/greet.cgi> Holiday cards with attitude > > >> Hopefully Jobs did a better job handing off the running of his company > > >> this time than he did the last time. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Your wording was kind of confusing; It still is. What does "If he's waiting until he's gone" supposed to mean? > it sounded like you were talking > about an actual event that had already occurred, not planning for a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > <http://www.thestreet.com/s/most-read-replacing-apples-irreplaceable-ste > ve-jobs/newsanalysis/technology-update/10422198.html> >It still is. What does "If he's waiting until he's gone" supposed to >mean? I really don't know how to make that any more clear, sorry. Just a note: http://www.forbes.com/2008/06/23/gates-commentary-lyons-tech-gates08-cz_dl_0623l yons.html?boxes=custom The above is a link to a Forbes article asking the same question about Bill Gates. > >Any ideas? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Hopefully Jobs did a better job handing off the running of his company > this time than he did the last time. Uh... Are you confusing Jobs and Gates? The latter has announced his departure, while the former has not... Signature- Burt Johnson MindStorm, Inc. http://www.mindstorm-inc.com/software.html > Uh... Are you confusing Jobs and Gates? The latter has announced his > departure, while the former has not... Gates left Microsoft a long time ago. He has now as you said, made it offical. The comment about Steve Jobs was sparked by another "Jobs is dying" rumor which surfaced on this group. That led someone to ask how necessary is Jobs for Apple's continued success. As far as I or anyone on this group knows, Jobs is not ill, has not announced any plans to retire, the board of Apple is not planning on firing him, etc. It was just a philosophical question with no basis in fact. With that in mind, I doubt that Apple would do well without Jobs. MacOS would become like Windows Vista, constant improvments with no real improvement and their computers would head in the same direction as Dell, less and less differentiation to make them more and more competative in price. In plain English, IMHO MacOS would just get more bloated and worse and the computers would become cheaper in quality and features and end up being the same crap everyone else sells. The iPod would become just another MP3 player, the iPhone would fade into oblivion and iTunes would be taken over by Amazon. But that is all speculation, not a prediction or anything based upon fact. Geoff. SignatureGeoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel gsm@mendelson.com N3OWJ/4X1GM >> Hopefully Jobs did a better job handing off the running of his company >> this time than he did the last time. > >Uh... Are you confusing Jobs and Gates? The latter has announced his >departure, while the former has not... No. Replace "did" with "is doing". > Uh... Are you confusing Jobs and Gates? The latter has announced his > departure, while the former has not... In the article I read, "departure" was defined as moving into a smaller office in the same building, being there only one day a week, and staying involved by e-mail. SignatureWes Groleau Always listen to experts. They'll tell you what can't be done and why. Then do it. -- Robert A. Heinlein > > Uh... Are you confusing Jobs and Gates? The latter has announced his > > departure, while the former has not... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > being there only one day a week, and staying involved > by e-mail. And none of that for the next 6 months, while Gates goes overseas to get heavily involved in his foundation. As others in the article stated, it is likely that Gates will find his foundation more of a challenge than he expects, and that it may take him away from much involvement in Microsloth as time progresses. It noted that he is going to be involved in the Window 7 -- as if his involvement in Vista indicated that was a good thing...? Signature- Burt Johnson MindStorm, Inc. http://www.mindstorm-inc.com/software.html |
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