Does Apple have an OS X update up its sleeve at WWDC?
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Jim Higgins - 07 Jun 2008 15:19 GMT Does Apple have an OS X update up its sleeve at WWDC? http://www.macworld.com/article/133787/2008/06/osx106.html?lsrc=top_2
t’s a widely accepted notion by now that Monday’s Worldwide Developers Conference keynote is going to be iPhone-centric. Whether that entails more on the iPhone 2.0 software, the forthcoming App Store for native iPhone apps, or an entirely new iPhone itself is anybody’s guess. But it’s not exactly going out on a limb to say that Steve Jobs is going to spend a lot of time detailing Apple’s iPhone plans to developers on Monday.
But Mac OS X could also be in the mix—specifically, a new version of the operating system. That’s the rumor currently being floated—at The Unofficial Apple Weblog and Infinite Loop anyway—that developers will also receive an early seed of OS X 10.6, which is rumored to be code-named Snow Leopard.
With the caveat that examining any rumor of this nature first requires a visit to the folks at Morton to restock your grains-of-salt supply, the thinking goes that 10.6 will be an Intel-only release, that it will have no major new features, and that it will be focused on improvements in speed, stability, and security. And oh yeah, OS X 10.6 will be released as soon as January 2009’s Macworld Expo, a mere 15 months or so after the release of OS X 10.5.
So how to react to such possibilities? As a consumer, my first thought was along the lines of “so tell me why I should buy this thing? It wouldn’t have any new features at all, and it wouldn’t run on my PowerBook G4?” Then it dawned on me…maybe I wouldn’t have to buy it.
Instead, what if Apple distributes 10.6—assuming there is a 10.6, as described above—as a free update to anyone running 10.5 on an Intel-powered Mac? Sure, we’ve become trained to expect a $129 upgrade fee with each major change in OS X’s version number. But this wouldn’t mark the first time the company released a major OS X update for free: OS X 10.1 was a free update, too, for all those who dove in with 10.0.
So why would Apple give this rumored update away for free? If there really aren’t any compelling new core OS-level features, I don’t think Apple would find a lot of buyers willing to pony up $129 for 10.6, even if it were faster. Although Leopard may have some issues, a compelling sense of overall slowness is not one of those issues. And clearly nobody is going to pay $129 for improved stability and security—again, OS X 10.5 doesn’t have stability issues for most users, and the platform is still yet to be affected by any large-scale virus or malware infestations. So if Apple can’t make any money on this—in fact, it will cost the company money—then why do it?
The answer, to me anyway, is resources. Right now, Apple has to extend its OS X efforts to include hardware that isn’t getting any younger—in addition to supporting new Intel machines, it also must make sure to support PowerPC processors. If Apple were to continue on its same dual-platform approach for a theoretical OS X 10.6 update, this would mean another 12 to 18 months of work supporting both platforms. (Remember, Leopard finally made it to market two-and-a-half years after Tiger.) But if the company instead released an Intel-only OS X 10.6 update very soon, that would clearly tell everyone that the next major update to OS X would also be Intel-only. So the company can then work on a full-blown Intel-only OS X 10.7 release, making OS X 10.5 the last release for PowerPC Macs.
By not including any low-level changes in OS X 10.6, Apple also would appease its developers, some of whom are just now finishing their migration to OS X 10.5—the developers would probably not be very happy next week if they were told that their code needed to be updated yet again. Similarly, PowerPC users wouldn’t instantly be left out in the cold—they probably wouldn’t soon face “10.6 only” releases from their favorite vendors under this scenario, as anything that ran on 10.6 would also run on 10.5. By delivering a feature-limited free update for all Intel Mac users in the near term, Apple would free up its resources, developers wouldn’t be forced to revise their code again, and OS X 10.5 PowerPC users wouldn’t need to fear a short-term abandonment.
Another advantage to this strategy is that by making OS X faster, more stable, and more secure, it becomes a better OS everywhere it’s being used—whether that be on a Mac, on an iPhone or iPod touch, or on some yet-unknown Apple hardware device that we’ll all be craving in the near future. There is no bad news to improving the OS in these ways, except for those (if the rumors are true) using PowerPC machines. Thankfully, OS X 10.5 is a very solid OS, and it will continue to work fine on PowerPC Macs.
Those who use PowerPC Macs, though, would be put on notice with the release of an Intel-only OS update: the future roadmap for OS X is Intel-only, and if they want to move beyond OS X 10.5, they’ll need to upgrade to an Intel-powered Mac. And just when would the next major OS X version—OS X 10.7 in my scenario—be released? Ignoring the theoretical OS X 10.6, which wouldn’t be a major update, I would expect to see OS X 10.7 sometime between April and October of 2009, or perhaps January of 2010 at Macworld Expo. That would make it 18 to 27 months since release of OS X 10.5, which is in line with the company’s historical timeline for major OS X updates. It would also be around three to four years since the release of the last PowerPC machine, which is a relatively long time in the world of computing. Those who wished to continue using their PowerPC machines could do so, of course—just not on anything newer than OS X 10.5.
So how about it? Do you think a free Intel-only 10.6 update is in the works? We’ll know more on Monday, of course, but until then, let the debate begin.
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Steve Hix - 07 Jun 2008 22:28 GMT In article <lOSdnUvQBdyTBNfVnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@posted.eaglecomputertechnology>,
> Does Apple have an OS X update up its sleeve at WWDC? Them as knows aren't talking.
Them's talking don't know.
The NewGuy - 08 Jun 2008 22:02 GMT In article <lOSdnUvQBdyTBNfVnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@posted.eaglecomputertechnology>,
> Does Apple have an OS X update up its sleeve at WWDC? > http://www.macworld.com/article/133787/2008/06/osx106.html?lsrc=top_2 [quoted text clipped - 95 lines] > works? We¹ll know more on Monday, of course, but until then, let the > debate begin. I think you make some intriguing points. Points that make a lot of economic and marketing sense. Points that show someone is really thinking creatively.
Jolly Roger - 08 Jun 2008 22:06 GMT > I think you make some intriguing points. Points that make a lot of > economic and marketing sense. Points that show someone is really > thinking creatively. First, he didn't make those points - the author of the article to which he pointed made the points.
Second, is there a good reason you consistently fail to trim your replies?
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The NewGuy - 08 Jun 2008 22:29 GMT > > I think you make some intriguing points. Points that make a lot of > > economic and marketing sense. Points that show someone is really [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Second, is there a good reason you consistently fail to trim your > replies? There didn't seem to be any point in replying to a point he made or the author made without displaying that very point. I feel its better to trim too little than too much. I'm sure others including you perhaps may disagree.
Mike Rosenberg - 08 Jun 2008 22:34 GMT > There didn't seem to be any point in replying to a point he made or the > author made without displaying that very point. I feel its better to > trim too little than too much. I'm sure others including you perhaps > may disagree. http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/dont.html
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The NewGuy - 09 Jun 2008 01:09 GMT > > There didn't seem to be any point in replying to a point he made or the > > author made without displaying that very point. I feel its better to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/usenet/dont.html > Read item 3. Mike, I understand the author's angle but I just don't agree with the premise. So often I find original points are deleted from the first post and it makes followup quite difficult. Way better to trim too little than too much. Its a real hassle retrieving the original - or maybe I don't know how to do it well in MT-NW. I'll try to be more aggressive in my trimming to appease you people. :)
Jolly Roger - 09 Jun 2008 01:11 GMT > Its a real hassle retrieving the original - or > maybe I don't know how to do it well in MT-NW. It's no hassle at all:
1. From the menu bar, choose Edit > Show Details. 2. Command-click (or Alt-click) a link in the References header.
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Tom Stiller - 09 Jun 2008 03:11 GMT > > Its a real hassle retrieving the original - or > > maybe I don't know how to do it well in MT-NW. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > 1. From the menu bar, choose Edit > Show Details. > 2. Command-click (or Alt-click) a link in the References header. Or, since you're using NewsWatcher, click the oval in the upper right-hand corner.
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Steve Hix - 09 Jun 2008 03:56 GMT > > > Its a real hassle retrieving the original - or > > > maybe I don't know how to do it well in MT-NW. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Or, since you're using NewsWatcher, click the oval in the upper > right-hand corner. Or type command-H.
Tom Stiller - 09 Jun 2008 12:43 GMT > > > > Its a real hassle retrieving the original - or > > > > maybe I don't know how to do it well in MT-NW. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Or type command-H. But remember that it's "H" and not "h".
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Jolly Roger - 09 Jun 2008 14:26 GMT > > > > > Its a real hassle retrieving the original - or > > > > > maybe I don't know how to do it well in MT-NW. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > But remember that it's "H" and not "h". More specifically, the actual keyboard shortcut is Command-Shift-H.
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Steve Hix - 10 Jun 2008 04:08 GMT > > > > > > Its a real hassle retrieving the original - or > > > > > > maybe I don't know how to do it well in MT-NW. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > More specifically, the actual keyboard shortcut is Command-Shift-H. Doesn't do anything here but issue the "that's not a real command, Ace" beep. Command-h does work. (MT-NW 3.5.3b2, MacOS X 10.5.3)
Jolly Roger - 10 Jun 2008 14:35 GMT > > > > > > > Its a real hassle retrieving the original - or > > > > > > > maybe I don't know how to do it well in MT-NW. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Doesn't do anything here but issue the "that's not a real command, Ace" > beep. Command-h does work. (MT-NW 3.5.3b2, MacOS X 10.5.3) Then something is wrong with your system!
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Dave Balderstone - 10 Jun 2008 15:03 GMT > > Doesn't do anything here but issue the "that's not a real command, Ace" > > beep. Command-h does work. (MT-NW 3.5.3b2, MacOS X 10.5.3) > > Then something is wrong with your system! Are you sure about that? CMD-SHIFT-h does nothing on my system, with ANY app.
CMD-h, however, hides the app every time.
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Philo D - 10 Jun 2008 15:23 GMT > CMD-h, however, hides the app every time. I found the other day that command-h in Photoshop does something else. So they set control-command-h for hide.
Steve Hix - 11 Jun 2008 03:28 GMT > > CMD-h, however, hides the app every time. > > I found the other day that command-h in Photoshop does something else. > So they set control-command-h for hide. Adobe does that in a couple of different applications. And they don't match each other, either.
Tom Stiller - 10 Jun 2008 15:35 GMT > > > Doesn't do anything here but issue the "that's not a real command, Ace" > > > beep. Command-h does work. (MT-NW 3.5.3b2, MacOS X 10.5.3) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > CMD-h, however, hides the app every time. MT-NW 3.5.3b2, MacOS X 10.5.3: Cmd-h hides application; Shift-Cmd-h shows message headers.
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Leonard Blaisdell - 11 Jun 2008 01:11 GMT > MT-NW 3.5.3b2, MacOS X 10.5.3: Cmd-h hides application; Shift-Cmd-h > shows message headers. Preferences->Interface options->Keyboard. I leave System-standard menu shortcuts unchecked and check Main keyboard shortcuts and Keypad shortcuts.
Cmd-h shows full headers info and shift-cmd-h beeps.
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Tom Stiller - 11 Jun 2008 02:03 GMT In article <leoblaisdell-CF7713.17111010062008@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>,
> > MT-NW 3.5.3b2, MacOS X 10.5.3: Cmd-h hides application; Shift-Cmd-h > > shows message headers. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Cmd-h shows full headers info and shift-cmd-h beeps. I thought there might be a preference setting but I can't make my copy *not* show/hide headers with Shift-Cmd-h.
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Steve Hix - 11 Jun 2008 03:31 GMT In article <leoblaisdell-CF7713.17111010062008@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com>,
> > MT-NW 3.5.3b2, MacOS X 10.5.3: Cmd-h hides application; Shift-Cmd-h > > shows message headers. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > leo Same here.
Leonard Blaisdell - 11 Jun 2008 03:11 GMT > MT-NW 3.5.3b2, MacOS X 10.5.3: Cmd-h hides application; Shift-Cmd-h > shows message headers. I'm replying to your next post that isn't showing up on "Open all references" to reply to. When I check 'System-standard menu', cmd-shift-h works as you describe but cmd-h beeps. Both commands work as you describe after I *restart* MTNW. I'm using MTNW 3.5.2 according to 'About MT-NewsWatcher' on Leopard 10.5.3 on a PPC Mini.
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Jolly Roger - 11 Jun 2008 03:17 GMT > > > > Doesn't do anything here but issue the "that's not a real command, Ace" > > > > beep. Command-h does work. (MT-NW 3.5.3b2, MacOS X 10.5.3) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > MT-NW 3.5.3b2, MacOS X 10.5.3: Cmd-h hides application; Shift-Cmd-h > shows message headers. Those are the default MT-NW settings.
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Steve Hix - 11 Jun 2008 03:30 GMT > > > > Doesn't do anything here but issue the "that's not a real command, Ace" > > > > beep. Command-h does work. (MT-NW 3.5.3b2, MacOS X 10.5.3) [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > MT-NW 3.5.3b2, MacOS X 10.5.3: Cmd-h hides application; Shift-Cmd-h > shows message headers. On *your* system. :}
This is the sort of thing (being able to change all sorts of UI functions or appearances, sometimes without knowing how you did it) that is one of the roadblocks to Linux being more widely accepted, if not usable, to more people. Speaking in broad generalities; not all Linuces behave that way.
Jolly Roger - 11 Jun 2008 03:17 GMT > > > Doesn't do anything here but issue the "that's not a real command, Ace" > > > beep. Command-h does work. (MT-NW 3.5.3b2, MacOS X 10.5.3) [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > CMD-h, however, hides the app every time. The issue is that Command-H *normally* hides MT-NW, but Steve has configured his copy of MT-NW so that Command-H is the shortcut for Edit
> Show Details.
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Wes Groleau - 11 Jun 2008 04:57 GMT > Are you sure about that? CMD-SHIFT-h does nothing on my system, with > ANY app. MSWord opens the replace function with Cmd-Shift-h
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Steve Hix - 11 Jun 2008 03:20 GMT > > > > > > > > Its a real hassle retrieving the original - or > > > > > > > > maybe I don't know how to do it well in MT-NW. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Then something is wrong with your system! No, just some different preferences settings. Changing some of them results in different handling of command sequences.
Tim Streater - 10 Jun 2008 14:37 GMT > > > > > > > Its a real hassle retrieving the original - or > > > > > > > maybe I don't know how to do it well in MT-NW. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Doesn't do anything here but issue the "that's not a real command, Ace" > beep. Command-h does work. (MT-NW 3.5.3b2, MacOS X 10.5.3) Check your prefs.
Steve Hix - 10 Jun 2008 04:06 GMT > > > > > Its a real hassle retrieving the original - or > > > > > maybe I don't know how to do it well in MT-NW. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > But remember that it's "H" and not "h". Hmmm. (Plays a bit...)
command-H works, command-shift-H just beeps.
So it's probably more correct to say "command-h", rather than confuse a reader to try command-shift-h, after seeing "command-H" written.
mea culpa.
Tom Stiller - 10 Jun 2008 11:59 GMT > > > > > > Its a real hassle retrieving the original - or > > > > > > maybe I don't know how to do it well in MT-NW. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > mea culpa. Well, on 10.5.3 system running MT-NewsWatcher 3.5.3b2, Cmd-h hides the application and Cmd-Shift-h performs "Show details", which is what the menubar displays as key combinations for those operations.
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Steve Hix - 11 Jun 2008 03:19 GMT > > > > > > > Its a real hassle retrieving the original - or > > > > > > > maybe I don't know how to do it well in MT-NW. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > application and Cmd-Shift-h performs "Show details", which is what the > menubar displays as key combinations for those operations. Weird. On my MBP, cmd-h shows details, cmd-H (cmd-shift-h) does nothing.
Poking about... I had "system-standard menu shortcuts" unselected in Preferences:Interface options. Selected it, and now cmd-H (cmd-shift-h) shows full headers, but cmd-h doesn't do anything.
The which I've reset to what I've been using for I don't know how long.
Jolly Roger - 10 Jun 2008 14:36 GMT > > > > > > Its a real hassle retrieving the original - or > > > > > > maybe I don't know how to do it well in MT-NW. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > command-H works, Command-H is supposed to hide the current application in Mac OS X. Have you done something to change that?
> command-shift-H just beeps. It shouldn't.
> So it's probably more correct to say "command-h", rather than confuse a > reader to try command-shift-h, after seeing "command-H" written. Not really. Your system is different than most.
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Dave Balderstone - 10 Jun 2008 15:04 GMT > > > > > > > Its a real hassle retrieving the original - or > > > > > > > maybe I don't know how to do it well in MT-NW. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > It shouldn't. It does here. Every time.
> > > So it's probably more correct to say "command-h", rather than confuse a > > reader to try command-shift-h, after seeing "command-H" written. > > Not really. Your system is different than most. Different than YOURS, you mean.
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Jolly Roger - 11 Jun 2008 03:15 GMT > > Command-H is supposed to hide the current application in Mac OS X. Have > > you done something to change that? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > It does here. Every time. That's because you changed your MT-NW preferences from the default settings.
> > > So it's probably more correct to say "command-h", rather than confuse a > > > reader to try command-shift-h, after seeing "command-H" written. > > > > Not really. Your system is different than most. > > Different than YOURS, you mean. No, different than most. I am fairly sure most MT-NW users do not change their preferences the way you have.
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Dave Balderstone - 11 Jun 2008 13:16 GMT > That's because you changed your MT-NW preferences from the default > settings. I don't use MT-NW. I thought that was clear. I'm talking about system-wide.
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Jolly Roger - 11 Jun 2008 15:19 GMT > > That's because you changed your MT-NW preferences from the default > > settings. > > I don't use MT-NW. I thought that was clear. I'm talking about > system-wide. Why? The rest of us are talking about MT-NW.
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Dave Balderstone - 12 Jun 2008 00:27 GMT > > > That's because you changed your MT-NW preferences from the default > > > settings. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Why? The rest of us are talking about MT-NW. In the message I responded to you were commenting about OS X behaviour, not MT-NW.
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Jolly Roger - 12 Jun 2008 01:47 GMT > > > > That's because you changed your MT-NW preferences from the default > > > > settings. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > In the message I responded to you were commenting about OS X behaviour, > not MT-NW. Hmm. I never was talking about Mac OS X behavior in general. Sorry if I gave that impression.
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Steve Hix - 11 Jun 2008 03:27 GMT > > > > > > > Its a real hassle retrieving the original - or > > > > > > > maybe I don't know how to do it well in MT-NW. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Command-H is supposed to hide the current application in Mac OS X. Have > you done something to change that? Apparently just for MT-NW.
> > command-shift-H just beeps. > > It shouldn't. As noted earlier, change some setting in preferences, and behavior changes. Apparently a bunch of interactions between different selections...
> > So it's probably more correct to say "command-h", rather than confuse a > > reader to try command-shift-h, after seeing "command-H" written. > > Not really. Your system is different than most. No, I was making a general documentation-related comment, not specifically relating to my system's ideosyncratic setup.
It really is too easy to confuse users, particularly new or casual ones, by writing "command-H" when meaning "command-shift-h, or command-shift-H". They'd note that the key has "H" and not "h" printed on it, for one thing.
command-h and command-H may or may not be the same thing; the notation is ambiguous; command-shift-h (or even command-shift-H) is clearly different from command-h (or command-H).
Jolly Roger - 09 Jun 2008 06:50 GMT > > > Its a real hassle retrieving the original - or > > > maybe I don't know how to do it well in MT-NW. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Or, since you're using NewsWatcher, click the oval in the upper > right-hand corner. That's the way I usually do it, but I left that as an exercise. ; )
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Mike Rosenberg - 09 Jun 2008 01:18 GMT > Mike, I understand the author's angle but I just don't agree with the > premise. So often I find original points are deleted from the first > post and it makes followup quite difficult And yet you trim the attribution line and make it impossible to tell, without looking at the very post you're trying to keep people from having to look at, who said what.
By the way, it's far from one author's opinion. Do a Google search on "usenet etiquette" and you'll see the same thing from lots of sources, and not one source will advise to quote the whole previous post.
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Jolly Roger - 09 Jun 2008 01:20 GMT > > Mike, I understand the author's angle but I just don't agree with the > > premise. So often I find original points are deleted from the first [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > "usenet etiquette" and you'll see the same thing from lots of sources, > and not one source will advise to quote the whole previous post. I'll hazard to guess he'll say he disagrees with all of them - the whole world.
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M-M - 09 Jun 2008 14:29 GMT > Its a real hassle retrieving the original - or > maybe I don't know how to do it well in MT-NW. Special-> Open All References.
But first, select (highlight) the pertinent part of the post before you hit reply.
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Jolly Roger - 08 Jun 2008 22:42 GMT > > > I think you make some intriguing points. Points that make a lot of > > > economic and marketing sense. Points that show someone is really [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > trim too little than too much. I'm sure others including you perhaps > may disagree. No. Many, many people disagree with your practices. PLEASE - Read and learn:
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Madwen - 09 Jun 2008 16:33 GMT In article <lOSdnUvQBdyTBNfVnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@posted.eaglecomputertechnology>,
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> Those who use PowerPC Macs, though, would be put on notice with the > release of an Intel-only OS update: the future roadmap for OS X is > Intel-only, and if they want to move beyond OS X 10.5, they¹ll need to > upgrade to an Intel-powered Mac. And just when would the next major OS X > version‹OS X 10.7 in my scenario‹be released?..... [...] Given Apple's past experience with processor-maker fiascoes and the like, as well as the more recent anti-trust actions against Intel, I'd be very surprised if Apple had all their internal eggs in the Intel basket. I'd bet they have multiple, contingency lines of development going simultaneously. Nevertheless, your interesting theories seem very logical.
Madeleine
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