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Ross - 13 May 2008 18:02 GMT
I have a 250GB hard drive and a Macbook with Time Machine. I would
like to use Time Machine for automated (in the background) backup but
I have one question.

Can I still use my external hard drive to temporarily store things I
don't want to keep on my Macbook, for example a movie I ripped? Or a
copy of my girlfriends backed up work? From what I understand, I plug
in Time Machine, it formats the drive and then it can only be used for
Time Machine backups?

Is this right? Would I have to partition my external hard drive to be
able to use it for both Time Machine and non Time Machine backups?

Thanks

Ross
TaliesinSoft - 13 May 2008 18:16 GMT
> I have a 250GB hard drive and a Macbook with Time Machine. I would like to
> use Time Machine for automated (in the background) backup but I have one
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> Is this right? Would I have to partition my external hard drive to be able
> to use it for both Time Machine and non Time Machine backups?

The entire Time Machine backup resides within a single folder,
Backups.backupdb, on the designated Time Machine backup drive. You can create
an arbitrary number of additional folders and/or documents on the same drive
without having to partition it.

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Malcolm - 13 May 2008 20:15 GMT
>> I have a 250GB hard drive and a Macbook with Time Machine. I would like to
>> use Time Machine for automated (in the background) backup but I have one
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> an arbitrary number of additional folders and/or documents on the same drive
> without having to partition it.

If you don't partition the drive, Time Machine will eventually fill it,
so there will be no room for other purposes.  You can partition the
drive to reserve some space for temporary files, and let Time Machine
have the rest.  When the Time Machine partition fills, it will just
delete the oldest backups.
TaliesinSoft - 18 May 2008 20:18 GMT
[responding to my stating that the Time Machine target volume can also
contain other items other than those related specifically to the Time Machine
backup]

> If you don't partition the drive, Time Machine will eventually fill it, so
> there will be no room for other purposes.  You can partition the drive to
> reserve some space for temporary files, and let Time Machine have the
> rest.  When the Time Machine partition fills, it will just delete the
> oldest backups.

The disadvantage of partitioning is that one has made a rigid decision as to
how much of the drive is being devoted to Time Machine and how much to other
things. The advantage of sharing a single partition amongst both Time Machine
and other things is that the amount of space on the drive devoted to each can
be adjusted as needs change.

A Time Machine backup can be dynamically trimmed, say by discarding backups
from oldest first and then moving forward in time until the amount of space
available on the shared volume is what is needed for those other things.

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Frédérique & Her vé Sainct - 19 May 2008 18:52 GMT
> The disadvantage of partitioning is that one has made a rigid decision as to
> how much of the drive is being devoted to Time Machine and how much to other
> things. (...)

I absolutely concur

> A Time Machine backup can be dynamically trimmed, say by discarding backups
> from oldest first and then moving forward in time until (...)

This is a relatively slow way (but I admit I used it myself).

Alternately, in case you are doing a network backup (e. g. over wifi),
you can lock the created disk image (the one with .sparseimage at the
end) to a maximum size smaller than the complete disk.

This way you sort of get the best of two worlds: a TM backup that does
not choke your disk without partitioning nor deleting yourself lots of
old things by hand.

I say "sort of", because indeed there is a remaining complexity, which
is the terrrrible terrrrminal command you have to issue to indeed
constrain the .sparseimage size. But this you only have to do once ;-)

If you are courageous enough (don't come back here tell me I mangled all
your backed up data!) an example Terminal command to redefine the max
size to (here) 50 Go looks like:

Macintosh:~ herve$ hdiutil resize -size 50g -shrinkonly
/Volumes/USBStorage-1/iMac\ from\ Hervé_000a9598f3c2.sparsebundle

In more general terms:

[your prompt] hdiutil resize -size [your size in Go]g -shrinkonly
[drag'n drop here the .sparseimage icon, Terminal will type the path]

After this, depending on the actual current size of your image, you
wait. From very little up to 10 or 20 mn, yes, on a slow wifi with an
already-80-Go image. Wait and don't panic -leave the macbook plugged ;-)

In the end (when Terminal gives you back the prompt) run TM prefs, see:
the new max size is there.

Ah. Of course, before all of this, please take care to turn TM *off*!

I have used this trick to maintain three TM backups (from three
machines) on the same NAS remote disk without perturbations for 5 months
now. Some have reached the allocated max, in which case TM automatically
starts removing oldest things first. None bothered the neighbors, and I
still get the extra space I wanted.

Hervé

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