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John - 30 Apr 2008 02:38 GMT

I can't get a Reunion report to work with NeoOffice.
It opens NeoOffice but just a blank page. What's wrong?

Thanks.

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Gregory Weston - 30 Apr 2008 12:53 GMT

> I can't get a Reunion report to work with NeoOffice.
> It opens NeoOffice but just a blank page. What's wrong?
>
> Thanks.

What kind of report (what's the supposed nature of the generated file)?
What version of NeoOffice?
What version of Reunion?

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Steve W. Jackson - 30 Apr 2008 14:57 GMT

> > I can't get a Reunion report to work with NeoOffice.
> > It opens NeoOffice but just a blank page. What's wrong?
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> What version of NeoOffice?
> What version of Reunion?

This might be better asked in the ReunionTalk forums available at
<http://www.reuniontalk.com/>. I'm guessing that there's an issue which
requires insights from the Reunion developers.

I have the latest Reunion (9.07) and the latest NeoOffice (2.2.3 patch
2) and tried setting NeoOffice as my Word Processing app in Reunion.
When generating a report which was targeted to NeoOffice, I got the same
response as the OP -- the report was created in the RTFD format, and
NeoOffice was launched, but not with the report. I suspect that
NeoOffice isn't capable of handling the RTFD format, and that Leister
would have to set up Reunion to use the ODF formats in order for it to
work.

= Steve =

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Fred Moore - 30 Apr 2008 16:10 GMT

> ... I suspect that
> NeoOffice isn't capable of handling the RTFD format, and that Leister
> would have to set up Reunion to use the ODF formats in order for it to
> work.

The formats which NeoOffice can read and write are listed here:

<http://neowiki.neooffice.org/index.php/NeoOffice_File_Formats>

Unfortunately, .rtfd is not on the list.

--Fred

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Gregory Weston - 30 Apr 2008 16:16 GMT

> > > I can't get a Reunion report to work with NeoOffice.
> > > It opens NeoOffice but just a blank page. What's wrong?
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> would have to set up Reunion to use the ODF formats in order for it to
> work.

The RTFD format is a folder with the real RTF file and the associated
images stored as peers inside. On top of that, the tags that specify the
images are not baseline RTF, so I'm not terribly surprised that
NeoOffice doesn't know what to do with either package or the contents
thereof.

I'm also on the latest version of Reunion and NeoOffice, but my tests
have worked. I'm getting straight RTF, though, not RTFD. What kinds of
reports are you generating?

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John - 30 Apr 2008 17:00 GMT

>>>> I can't get a Reunion report to work with NeoOffice.
>>>> It opens NeoOffice but just a blank page. What's wrong?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>> What kind of report (what's the supposed nature of the generated file)?

Any NeoOffice destination report I've tried, but in particular:

Create->Ahnentafel Report->Destination: NeoOffice->Open

>>> What version of NeoOffice?

2.2.3 Patch 2

>>> What version of Reunion?

9.07
and MacOS X 10.5.2

>> This might be better asked in the ReunionTalk forums available at
>> <http://www.reuniontalk.com/>. I'm guessing that there's an issue which
>> requires insights from the Reunion developers.

I signed up days ago but am still waiting to be approved to post. Ah,
I just checked and seem to be able to get the post window now.

>> I have the latest Reunion (9.07) and the latest NeoOffice (2.2.3 patch
>> 2) and tried setting NeoOffice as my Word Processing app in Reunion.
>> When generating a report which was targeted to NeoOffice, I got the same
>> response as the OP -- the report was created in the RTFD format, and

Aha! But I've never heard of RTFD. Why would they not give a choice of
RTF or RTFD if it causes problems like this I wonder?

>> NeoOffice was launched, but not with the report. I suspect that
>> NeoOffice isn't capable of handling the RTFD format, and that Leister
>> would have to set up Reunion to use the ODF formats in order for it to
>> work.

Haven't heard of ODF either. Should Reunion users really need to know
about RTFD and ODF to use NeoOffice on a Mac platform with Reunion?
After all, the RTF file destination works, and then opening NeoOffice on
it works.

> The RTFD format is a folder with the real RTF file and the associated
> images stored as peers inside. On top of that, the tags that specify the
> images are not baseline RTF, so I'm not terribly surprised that
> NeoOffice doesn't know what to do with either package or the contents
> thereof.

So, what advantage does RTFD offer?

> I'm also on the latest version of Reunion and NeoOffice, but my tests
> have worked. I'm getting straight RTF, though, not RTFD. What kinds of

So there goes the RTFD theory?

> reports are you generating?

Ahnentafel, but I think any with NeoOffice as destination.

I'll take this to ReunionTalk now. I thought there'd be a simpler
answer.

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Gregory Weston - 30 Apr 2008 17:34 GMT

> > The RTFD format is a folder with the real RTF file and the associated
> > images stored as peers inside. On top of that, the tags that specify the
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>
> So, what advantage does RTFD offer?

It's smaller, reduces write times after edits and is more efficient use
of backup storage.

The thing is that there's no standard mechanism for handling embedded
images in baseline RTF. Each vendor comes up with their own way to do
it. Microsoft, last time I looked, actually embedded the data. TextEdit
uses the NeXT package mechanism and stores the images as discrete
resources. NeoOffice doesn't seem to want to even know about the notion
of graphics in RTF streams, which is weird because I was under the
impression that OpenOffice.org *did* and stored them externally (like
Apple) but without the benefit of the package concept.

G

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Steve W. Jackson - 30 Apr 2008 17:35 GMT

> The RTFD format is a folder with the real RTF file and the associated
> images stored as peers inside. On top of that, the tags that specify the
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> have worked. I'm getting straight RTF, though, not RTFD. What kinds of
> reports are you generating?

I'm guessing the difference is in the use of multimedia items. I always
include pictures when I generate reports. If I were to turn that off, I
suspect that the output would be RTF instead.

= Steve =

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John - 30 Apr 2008 17:58 GMT

>> The RTFD format is a folder with the real RTF file and the associated
>> images stored as peers inside. On top of that, the tags that specify the
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> include pictures when I generate reports. If I were to turn that off, I
> suspect that the output would be RTF instead.

Bingo! I recently added pictures and checked the box to include them.
I just unchecked that box and NeoOffice worked!

Now to see what they say about fixing it at ReunionTalk!

Thanks!!!

> = Steve =

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John - 30 Apr 2008 18:53 GMT

For those interested, here is the solution from ReunionTalk.

> Reunion can be set to save reports in a format that NeoOffice will recognize.
>
> Open your family file and choose Reunion -> Preferences. Then, click on the Reports icon and select RTF in the Options list. Then, uncheck the box to "Create .rtfd files when needed."
>
> Finally, create your report (with or without Preferred pictures) and NeoOffice should open it:-)

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