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Is there a way to set the preferences in Mt-NewsWatcher so that people who read my posts do not complain about the urls being not easily usable (because they wrap and split)? As far as I see, no setting for line wrap solves the problem if the url is very long. While setting no wrap at all causes one to be typing and having to manually put in carriage returns.  Signaturedorayme > Is there a way to set the preferences in Mt-NewsWatcher so that people > who read my posts do not complain about the urls being not easily usable > (because they wrap and split)? As far as I see, no setting for line wrap > solves the problem if the url is very long. While setting no wrap at all > causes one to be typing and having to manually put in carriage returns. delimt your urls with <> Bad: http://myurl.tld/some/long/path/that/might/possibly/probably/will/get/wrapped.html Good: <http://myurl.tld/some/long/path/that/might/possibly/probably/will/get/wrapped.html> Signature"It's unacceptable to think" - George W Bush 15/Sep/2006 > > Is there a way to set the preferences in Mt-NewsWatcher so that people > > who read my posts do not complain about the urls being not easily usable [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > <http://myurl.tld/some/long/path/that/might/possibly/probably/will/get/wrapped > .html> Or go to http://www.tinyurl.com and shrink them down. >> delimt your urls with <> >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> <http://myurl.tld/some/long/path/that/might/possibly/probably/will/get/wrapped >> .html> > Or go to http://www.tinyurl.com and shrink them down. I prefer <http://snurl.com/> But regardless of what you use, you should delimit your URLs. SignatureThere is something to be said for grace and respect but humour alway helps - Toby Morris >> Or go to http://www.tinyurl.com and shrink them down. > I prefer <http://snurl.com/> Agreed. I used TinyURL a few times some years ago but decided it wasn't worth the extra time. Yeah, mine is a cavalier attitude but there it is: If I take the time to post a (good) URL - and enclose it in delimiters - the reader can do whatever is necessary on their end to use it IF clicking on it doesn't work for them. > But regardless of what you use, you should delimit your URLs. Agreed. Signature:) JR > Or go to http://www.tinyurl.com and shrink them down. The neat thing about TinyURL is any time you create a tiny URL, you get a "Preview" TinyURL as well. When you give someone a Preview TinyURL, they can see the expanded URL before actually viewing it, giving them a chance to decide whether or not they trust the content of the destination page before it loads in their web browser. SignaturePlease send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. I do not read posts from Google Groups. Use a real news reader if you want me to see your posts. JR > > > Is there a way to set the preferences in Mt-NewsWatcher so that people > > > who read my posts do not complain about the urls being not easily usable [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Or go to http://www.tinyurl.com and shrink them down. This also is something I do often. It is not as convenient always. And you can't use tiny for unpaged pics. No, I am seriously thinking of changing newreaders if I can't solve this one properly (without not always convenient workarounds). I am most reluctant to give up MT! Signaturedorayme In article <doraymeRidThis-428382.09114725032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > I am seriously thinking of > changing newreaders if I can't solve this one properly (without not > always convenient workarounds). I am most reluctant to give up MT! Solve what one properly? SignaturePlease send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. I do not read posts from Google Groups. Use a real news reader if you want me to see your posts. JR In article <doraymeRidThis-428382.09114725032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > This also is something I do often. It is not as convenient always. And > you can't use tiny for unpaged pics. No, I am seriously thinking of > changing newreaders if I can't solve this one properly (without not > always convenient workarounds). I am most reluctant to give up MT! As mentioned in previous posts, best policy is enclose URLs in angle brackets. I use 'wrap text' from 'Message Options' in MTNW with never a problem. MTNW itself often can open the url even it it is not enclosed in angle brackets by a simple command-click. That's providing someone hasn't introduced a spurious carriage return or space in the url. Other newsreaders and URL openers may or probably do need a different set of key combos to open urls. You mentioned other people reading your posts in your original message. As inelegant as it sounds, their problem is the way they are trying to access urls in your posts providing you haven't added carriage returns or other spurious characters yourself. This isn't a MTNW problem AFICT and everything I just posted has already been posted to this thread before I did. leo In article <leoblaisdell-7BBF4B.15555624032008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > In article > <doraymeRidThis-428382.09114725032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > brackets. I use 'wrap text' from 'Message Options' in MTNW with never a > problem. What I have been doing for ages is best policy and tell the complainers to look to their own eh? You know Beauregard, he is a pretty competent guy, right? Tell me Leo, what should I tell him? Give me the words. <g> > This isn't a MTNW problem ... I am trying to think if this is so or not. I will try to devise some tests that will decide the issue. If anyone wants to offer suggestions for tests, they are more than welcome. Signaturedorayme > In article > <leoblaisdell-7BBF4B.15555624032008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, >> This isn't a MTNW problem ... I think it is a combination of problems. MTNW wraps the URL, which it should not do because the URL is delimited. The newsreader on the other end does not 'unwrap' the URL, which it should do since the URL is delimited. > I am trying to think if this is so or not. I will try to devise some > tests that will decide the issue. If anyone wants to offer suggestions > for tests, they are more than welcome. slrn is not able to pickup the wrapped URLs.... Signature"It's like those French have a different word for *everything*" - Steve Martin > > In article > > <leoblaisdell-7BBF4B.15555624032008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > not do because the URL is delimited. The newsreader on the other end does not > 'unwrap' the URL, which it should do since the URL is delimited. Yes, I think this is a nicely put summary of what is going on and what I am starting to think too... It may have to be goodbye MT. Either I go pay (like Sally) or try Thunderbird. I better reread the threads on alternative newsreaders. Signaturedorayme In article <doraymeRidThis-E29F9D.13300325032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > > > In article > > > <leoblaisdell-7BBF4B.15555624032008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > It may have to be goodbye MT. Either I go pay (like Sally) or try > Thunderbird. I better reread the threads on alternative newsreaders. Have you tried unchecking "Wrap Message" in the editor window when you enter long URLs? For example; the the URL you provided upstream in this thread: <http://groups.google.com.au/group/comp.sys.mac.apps/browse_frm/thread/07 242f2e001525d4/f3432ae02d8a7ad1?hl=en#f3432ae02d8a7ad1> You may have to right-click (or Control-click) the selected URL if it wraps after pasting it in and choose Unwrap. You may also need to manually enter returns at the ends of lines with "Wrap message" turned off. BTW, I'm using an old version of MT-NW here, and pasting in long unbroken URLs does not seem to be a problem. Signaturedee Mike Dee <emteedee@emteedee.invalid> wrote: > Have you tried unchecking "Wrap Message" in the editor window when > you enter long URLs? > > For example; the the URL you provided upstream in this thread: > <http://groups.google.com.au/group/comp.sys.mac.apps/browse_frm/thread/07 242f2e001525d4/f3432ae02d8a7ad1?hl=en#f3432ae02d8a7ad1> [...] > BTW, I'm using an old version of MT-NW here, and pasting in long > unbroken URLs does not seem to be a problem. And checking my post in a Windows client it came through unwrapped (therefore very useable to a number of wrapped-URL unfriendly clients). Signaturedee > In article > <doraymeRidThis-E29F9D.13300325032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, ... > Have you tried unchecking "Wrap Message" in the editor window when you > enter long URLs? This was a specific thing I mentioned in one of my posts in this thread and I was wondering about it. Be interested in your comments about it and the downsides mentioned. Basically the disadvantage I see about this is knowing beforehand that you will be pasting in a url longer than the wrap you have set. If you suddenly decide to stick in a long url, as you are composing on a wrapped preference, what then? I don't know if changing the prefs at that point will affect that particular message (I can test, I just have not yet, I sort of doubt it. And if it did, you might have to go about putting in carriage returns on the rest in order not to piss others off?). You could say to yourself, ah, here is a post that - after all - will have a long url and you could *copy* all your text so far and discard the post. Change your prefs to unwrap and then redo your post, with a flying start of *paste*... What would be a nice workaround (if the basic fault was not to be fixed) is that you could choose to unwrap a line or two tactically. I doubt it is possible. I am just thinking aloud here in case something comes up I can live with easily and I get to keep MT after all! <g> > BTW, I'm using an old version of MT-NW here, and pasting in long > unbroken URLs does not seem to be a problem. Pasting should be no problem at all. It is what happens at the other end that is of greatest concern. Signaturedorayme > In article Mike Dee <emteedee@emteedee.invalid> wrote: >> Have you tried unchecking "Wrap Message" in the editor window >> when you enter long URLs? [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > have to go about putting in carriage returns on the rest in order > not to piss others off?). Yes. In this instance, you would suddenly see your entire message as single line paragraphs and you would need to enter carriage returns to the body text to make it look readable again. It's not too difficult to do, if you haven't written out an epistle of several pages in length. > You could say to yourself, ah, here is a post that - after all - > will have a long url and you could *copy* all your text so far and > discard the post. Change your prefs to unwrap and then redo your > post, with a flying start of *paste*... No, "Unwrap text" simply turns off MT-NW's wrapping for the entire body text, so if your cut text does not contain hard wraps in it already, it will not wrap when you paste it in. What I have found to be a fairly straight forward thing (if knowing beforehand that I will be sending an unbroken URL or two) is to turn off Message wrapping in the editor, before I begin typing. I do this because MT-NW's editor window opens at a convenient 76 character width (at least, mine does) and so gives a good guide where to enter a hard wrap while entering text. Then pasting in an unbroken long URL is a breeze. > What would be a nice workaround (if the basic fault was not to be > fixed) is that you could choose to unwrap a line or two > tactically. I doubt it is possible. It does not appear to be possible. Sad to say. > I am just thinking aloud here in case something comes up I can > live with easily and I get to keep MT after all! <g> Don't give up on MT-NW so easily. It has many features that make it worth using, over lesser featured clients (ie; Thunderbird). Powerful regex filtering is the big winner for me. >> BTW, I'm using an old version of MT-NW here, and pasting in long >> unbroken URLs does not seem to be a problem. > > Pasting should be no problem at all. It is what happens at the > other end that is of greatest concern. You will find that by pasting in unbroken URLs and Unwrap text as the setting for the post, you will no longer get any complaints. What you will have to watch out for is if you set Unwrap text after you've typed your message and already have broken URLs, that by putting the URLs back together again you don't end up with a gap in the URL where there once was a line break. That would make your URLs fail. I actually think that this was the cause of your problem with other people not being able to use the links you had been sending. Because when I cut and pasted the link from the post you had provided, there was a gap in the URL where there had been a line break. I hadn't noticed it at first, but viewing it in a news client that can display long URLs on a single line (Xnews), the space in the middle of the URL became apparent (and would fail on most other non MT-NW clients). So paste in long URLs unbroken and watch those spaces and you'll be fine. Signaturedee > > In article Mike Dee <emteedee@emteedee.invalid> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > the body text to make it look readable again. It's not too difficult to > do, if you haven't written out an epistle of several pages in length. OK, thanks for your advice. I might persist a while with a combination of strategies, tinys, short enough urls, unwrap and like that and see if I don't get fed up. In the meantime, there might even be tricks that are easy to implement, Warren mentioned one but I am yet to investigate that one. (Yesterday, I downloaded MacSOUP but have not tried it. Someone said it was nice and simple and I like simple and the price is very little). Signaturedorayme >> > In article >> > <leoblaisdell-7BBF4B.15555624032008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> not do because the URL is delimited. The newsreader on the other end does not >> 'unwrap' the URL, which it should do since the URL is delimited. > Yes, I think this is a nicely put summary of what is going on and what I > am starting to think too... > It may have to be goodbye MT. Either I go pay (like Sally) or try > Thunderbird. I better reread the threads on alternative newsreaders. Thunderbird? Egads, that is a one lousy newsreader. SignatureYou think you can catch Keyser Soze? You think a guy like that comes this close to getting caught, and sticks his head out? If he comes up for anything it'll be to get rid of me. After that my guess is you'll never hear from him again. In article <doraymeRidThis-5ED56B.10463725032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > What I have been doing for ages is best policy and tell the complainers > to look to their own eh? You know Beauregard, he is a pretty competent > guy, right? Yup, I wouldn't argue with BTS. Frankly, I don't know what MTNW doesn't do that you want it to do, since you mention third parties looking at your posts. I don't ever recall having a problem with looking at other's urls from within MTNW if they were properly created. MTNW may pass off a url to a browser that will then crash, but that's a different story. I've obviously missed the point. What are you looking for in another newsreader that MTNW doesn't do regarding third party perusal of your posts? I'm very unclear since MTNW just pass what's posted to the newsserver with, for instance, line wrapping at 72, body tabbing at 3, etc. What does BTS newsreader do that MTNW won't? leo In article <leoblaisdell-7F0968.19184124032008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > What does BTS newsreader do that MTNW won't? See Lewis's latest summary. I think he is spot on. Signaturedorayme > > Is there a way to set the preferences in Mt-NewsWatcher so that people > > who read my posts do not complain about the urls being not easily usable [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > <http://myurl.tld/some/long/path/that/might/possibly/probably/will/get/wrapped > .html> I wish you were right. Unfortunately, I have been doing just this for ages and still the problem persists. Perhaps it has something to do with my particular settings? But I am stumped. Signaturedorayme In article <doraymeRidThis-657115.09073825032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > > > Is there a way to set the preferences in Mt-NewsWatcher so that people > > > who read my posts do not complain about the urls being not easily usable [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > ages and still the problem persists. Perhaps it has something to do with > my particular settings? But I am stumped. If he's wrong, then please show us an example post where a URL you posted is wrapped/split such that it's not clickable. SignaturePlease send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. I do not read posts from Google Groups. Use a real news reader if you want me to see your posts. JR In article <jollyroger-9B7078.17310424032008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > > I wish you were right. Unfortunately, I have been doing just this for > > ages and still the problem persists. Perhaps it has something to do with > > my particular settings? But I am stumped. > > If he's wrong, then please show us an example post where a URL you > posted is wrapped/split such that it's not clickable. I have sent you the thread where this has come up in another post a few mins ago. I know, this looks like an unnecessary post... but i use it to let you know I sent you an email with a zipped attachment a few days ago. Following your request. Hope it is ok. Signaturedorayme In article <doraymeRidThis-0E01BE.09394225032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > I know, this looks like an unnecessary post... but i use it to let you > know I sent you an email with a zipped attachment a few days ago. > Following your request. Hope it is ok. Thanks - I haven't received anything so I'll go check now! SignaturePlease send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. I do not read posts from Google Groups. Use a real news reader if you want me to see your posts. JR In article <jollyroger-895F39.17530824032008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > In article > <doraymeRidThis-0E01BE.09394225032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Thanks - I haven't received anything so I'll go check now! Hmm... Did you send it to jollyroger@pobox.com? SignaturePlease send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. I do not read posts from Google Groups. Use a real news reader if you want me to see your posts. JR In article <jollyroger-D2DA98.17592224032008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > In article > <jollyroger-895F39.17530824032008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Hmm... Did you send it to jollyroger@pobox.com? I sent it to the same address via reply to yours as I did the very first. I can see all this is difficult. Perhaps you are not a big emailer. You are super quick at getting and answering ng posts (more generous than anyone I know on any ng... take that as a compliment) but when it comes to email, you are like some sort of confused turtle on a time scale of a slope! I will later on zip up the bit you most likely want, the app, and put it on a webserver for you to download. In fact, why don't I do that right this minute... Try this: http://tinyurl.com/3dz535 Signaturedorayme In article <doraymeRidThis-0AC7AD.11110825032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > In article > <jollyroger-D2DA98.17592224032008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > when it comes to email, you are like some sort of confused turtle on a > time scale of a slope! My apologies for the inconvenience. The problem isn't email per-say - it's that the public address I use here is run by a service that uses very heavy and unforgiving spam protection to filter out the majority of noise that hits the address due to Usenet spam harvesters. Because that address gets so much spam, I have the spam filters set to the highest level of aggression. As a result, often, legitimate messages will sit in the discards bin until I manually check discards and retrieve them. I looked in there for an email from "dorayme" and don't see anything in the past few days (back as far as the 18th). If you sent it prior to the 18th, then I'm afraid it's already been deleted and is unretrievable. > I will later on zip up the bit you most likely want, the app, and put it > on a webserver for you to download. In fact, why don't I do that right > this minute... Got it. When I have the time, I'll put this on my old Mac SE/30 and see if it works correctly. It may be that I need additional support files, which is why I usually prefer disk images of the install media - but I will take whatever I can get, and I appreciate you taking the time and effort to send it. Thank you very much. : ) SignatureNote: Please send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. JR In article <jollyroger-7F3C2F.02594825032008@70-3-168-216.area5.spcsdns.net>, > > I will later on zip up the bit you most likely want, the app, and put it > > on a webserver for you to download. In fact, why don't I do that right [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > if it works correctly. It may be that I need additional support files, > which is why I usually prefer disk images of the install media I am pretty sure it will work but if it does not I can probably ferret out anything from my old SE30 that is not included. I ran it under OS 6. Signaturedorayme In article <doraymeRidThis-BF701A.19595524032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > Is there a way to set the preferences in Mt-NewsWatcher so that people > who read my posts do not complain about the urls being not easily usable > (because they wrap and split)? As far as I see, no setting for line wrap > solves the problem if the url is very long. While setting no wrap at all > causes one to be typing and having to manually put in carriage returns. I expect to have to pull them out and paste them into a browser anyway, meaning cleaning up spaces, when I want to use one someone else has posted. I can only click to them from mail. Is there actually an alternative? SignatureMary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar) You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument is that reason doesn't count. --Isaac Asimov Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.chibardun.net/~erilarlo > In article > <doraymeRidThis-BF701A.19595524032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > posted. I can only click to them from mail. Is there actually an > alternative? If you wrap them in < and > characters, most news clients can visit them. In MT-NewsWatcher, you need to hold down the Command key while clicking URLs. Try this one: <http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/industries/media/article/justice-depa rtment-gives-siriusxm-merger-ok_530362_15.html> SignaturePlease send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. I do not read posts from Google Groups. Use a real news reader if you want me to see your posts. JR In article <jollyroger-0743E2.16590224032008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > > In article > > <doraymeRidThis-BF701A.19595524032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > <http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/industries/media/article/justice-depa > rtment-gives-siriusxm-merger-ok_530362_15.html> There is no point in *me* trying this. I have no trouble to speak of in this regard. It is some readers of my posts, and competent ones too - not newbies or google groupers. The issue is about others getting usable clickable urls from me. Perhaps JR, I can refer you to a thread where this has come up: <http://groups.google.com.au/group/comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesh eets/browse_frm/thread/fdc50b37ec576398/140ffafa5669cb75?hl=en#140ffafa56 69cb75> I notice that in Google, all my constructions break up and are useless for simple clicking. But I do not refer you to this thread because it has *anything to do with google*. I am not interested in google. Long time and competent people with good newsreaders have mentioned this problem to me. I refer you to it to see the sorts of things I have tried. I have for a long time been enclosing the urls in the lesser and greater sign. Perhaps I need to compare my preference settings with some of you guys? I do talk a lot to non-Mac people (what can I do, they are not all bad! And there are a lot of them! <g>) Signaturedorayme In article <doraymeRidThis-B43722.09322025032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > There is no point in *me* trying this. I have no trouble to speak of in > this regard. It is some readers of my posts, and competent ones too - [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > eets/browse_frm/thread/fdc50b37ec576398/140ffafa5669cb75?hl=en#140ffafa56 > 69cb75> The above URL you posted is clickable - even though it takes three lines. No problems here. > I notice that in Google, all my constructions break up and are useless > for simple clicking. But I do not refer you to this thread because it [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I do talk a lot to non-Mac people (what can I do, they are not all bad! > And there are a lot of them! <g>) Well here's the post to which you refer: Message-ID: <doraymeRidThis-C42729.15013622032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au> When I view your post, all three URLs are clickable for me. I think the people that are complaining must be seeing a limitation of their own news reader. SignaturePlease send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. I do not read posts from Google Groups. Use a real news reader if you want me to see your posts. JR In article <jollyroger-2C8E2D.17494124032008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > In article > <doraymeRidThis-B43722.09322025032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > The above URL you posted is clickable - even though it takes three > lines. No problems here. The problem is not with you or me or everyone. It is with quite a few people. I know I said I don't care about the google representation, but it is a remarkable thing that my long urls and even your previous example one is broken up there. I can see it is not just my own settings causing it now (so this is useful info for me). Take a look: <http://groups.google.com.au/group/comp.sys.mac.apps/browse_frm/thread/07 242f2e001525d4/f3432ae02d8a7ad1?hl=en#f3432ae02d8a7ad1> In my Safari at least it is broken up. I post here about this to find out if there is any - convenient - way to stop MT doing this. I am beginning to suspect not. And what also needs to be decided is this: do any newsreaders at all succeed in doing what i am wanting, namely not breaking up urls One thing I have not done yet is to see if non mac folk (the reliable regulars who have a clue) can see your example url unbroken. I am strongly suspecting that MT is not doing something that other newsreaders can do in this regard. But I cannot expound on this because I am a bit unsure of what is involved in this whole issue. I had considered but have not tried the following strategy: change the prefs in MT to no wrap at all (I have mine set to 72 at the moment, I went for ages on 65) for posts where I know I will have a long url. But that means carriage returns when typing up a post because the text disppears off the left edge! I realise it is likely easier to use a tiny instead of this but I mention in case the wrapping in MT is somehow flawed or incompatible with other newsreaders. Signaturedorayme In article <doraymeRidThis-6EED6B.10390525032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > In article > <jollyroger-2C8E2D.17494124032008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > In my Safari at least it is broken up. Yes, it's broken up. But the newsreader (including Google Groups) is supposed to put it back together. That's the point of wrapping it in <...>, it tells the newsreader where the URL begins and ends, so it can join the lines together. I don't know if it will help, but I notice that you're running a pretty old version of MT-NW. Maybe try upgrading and see if it changes how MT-NW wraps things. As far as I can tell, the only preference options about wrapping is whether or not to wrap, and the column to wrap at. There's nothing about exceptions for URLs. SignatureBarry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE don't copy me on replies, I'll read them in the group *** > I don't know if it will help, but I notice that you're running a pretty > old version of MT-NW. Maybe try upgrading and see if it changes how > MT-NW wraps things. mmm... that's a thought... I run 3.5.1 and am on Tiger and a PPC computer. I better look up what is on offer ... > As far as I can tell, the only preference options about wrapping is > whether or not to wrap, and the column to wrap at. There's nothing > about exceptions for URLs. Yes, that's what I thought too. In BBedit or TextWrangler there is this beaut thing of being able to view to window width. If *all* newsreaders had this, we could set to no wrap (or a very generous one indeed) and everyone would be able to read things comfortably. Signaturedorayme In article <doraymeRidThis-7D4309.13254425032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > In BBedit or TextWrangler there is this beaut thing of being able to > view to window width. If *all* newsreaders had this, we could set to no > wrap (or a very generous one indeed) and everyone would be able to read > things comfortably. Right - that's called "soft wrapping". The act of inserting line wrap characters (carriage returns / line feed characters) into text is called "hard wrapping". I don't see why a news client would want to hard wrap original text of a post. Instead, it seems a better idea to soft wrap original text, and only hard wrap quoted text in a post. I think the way MT-NewsWatcher ignores hard-wrapped URLs is handy. It's too bad other news readers don't also do that. SignatureNote: Please send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. JR In article <jollyroger-3FDB4F.03082425032008@70-3-168-216.area5.spcsdns.net>, > I don't see why a news client would want to hard wrap original text of a > post. Instead, it seems a better idea to soft wrap original text, and > only hard wrap quoted text in a post. Because traditional newsreaders (e.g rn and trn) don't do soft wrapping. Posting soft-wrapped messages is considered almost as bad as posting HTML because it's not compatible with all newsreders. SignatureBarry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE don't copy me on replies, I'll read them in the group *** > In article > <jollyroger-3FDB4F.03082425032008@70-3-168-216.area5.spcsdns.net>, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Posting soft-wrapped messages is considered almost as bad as posting > HTML because it's not compatible with all newsreders. That kind of makes sense, I guess. I do note that while RFC 1036 does not explicitly state the body of a post should be hard wrapped, all of the sample posts listed are indeed hard wrapped. I wonder why the folks over in comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets are so adamant that news readers should *NOT* hard wrap messages? SignaturePlease send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. I do not read posts from Google Groups. Use a real news reader if you want me to see your posts. JR In article <jollyroger-FF97BC.12115025032008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > I wonder why the folks over in > comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets are so adamant that news > readers should *NOT* hard wrap messages? I got the impression that the complaint is more about something (sender or sending news app or receiving news client) putting in hard breaks where they don't belong, in urls. Signaturedorayme In article <doraymeRidThis-7BE2E6.08040226032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > I got the impression that the complaint is more about something (sender > or sending news app or receiving news client) putting in hard breaks > where they don't belong, in urls. Hey, I just read in another newsgroup (alt.internet.wireless): in message <4sciu39ibj4qmpl4lhjn1itm3f0ituev9k@4ax.com> "To force your news reader to not word wrap a URL, put whatever it uses as a quote symbol in front of the line. Most do not wrap quotes." You could cruise over to that ng and talk to Jeff -- he's a pretty cool guy. SignatureW. Oates > In article > <doraymeRidThis-7BE2E6.08040226032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > You could cruise over to that ng and talk to Jeff -- he's a pretty cool > guy. The technique I have been using is "<url>" without quotes of course. Is the suggestion to go ">url" because ">" is what my MT uses as a quote? When I click your url above I get a "does not exist on the server..." Signaturedorayme In article <doraymeRidThis-6EED6B.10390525032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > I post here about this to find out if there is any - convenient - way to > stop MT doing this. I am beginning to suspect not. And what also needs > to be decided is this: do any newsreaders at all succeed in doing what i > am wanting, namely not breaking up urls They (news readers) have to wrap the lines _somewhere_, and long URLs are random. You would like a newsreader that scans the article and wraps the text to the longest line it finds therein. Such a thing is not impossible, but is pretty impractical. MNTW displays your URLs on as many lines as it needs; if the URL is enclosed nicely in angle-brackets, then cmd-click will open your browser of choice and send it to that location. SignatureW. Oates > In article > <doraymeRidThis-6EED6B.10390525032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > > MNTW displays your URLs on as many lines as it needs; if the URL is > enclosed nicely in angle-brackets, then cmd-click will open your browser > of choice and send it to that location. Except that it is not me or you or folk with MT that is the problem. It is those who are not foolish or incompetent with different newsreaders and different platforms etc and for whom the urls are broken and a nuisance. Just take a look at Google and see how broken the long urls are there when sent from MT. That is a website and the urls are simply ill-formed and unclickable. Please, it is no use telling me how bad Google is, it is a big fact of life like Internet Explorer and has to be dealt with. It is almost an essential tool, btw, to go with an online reader like MT which is not great at recovering and searching old threads. Signaturedorayme > I expect to have to pull them out and paste them into a browser anyway, > meaning cleaning up spaces, when I want to use one someone else has > posted. I can only click to them from mail. Is there actually an > alternative? One or maybe two of the actions ( Cmd OR Option OR Ctrl ) + Click will (with most browsers) click to links from within NewsWatcher. A happy discovery many of us have stumbled upon. But the URL must be either enclosed within < > brackets, or not "touch" any foreign characters or punctuation at either end, for this to work. > > I expect to have to pull them out and paste them into a browser anyway, > > meaning cleaning up spaces, when I want to use one someone else has [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > But the URL must be either enclosed within < > brackets, or not "touch" > any foreign characters or punctuation at either end, for this to work. Thanks-made note of 8-) I don't post many URLs in groups, but sometimes want to follow up on someone else has posted. SignatureMary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar) You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument is that reason doesn't count. --Isaac Asimov Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.chibardun.net/~erilarlo |
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