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Please recommend me a (free or cheap) utility to convert NTSC (USA) DVDs to European PAL DVDs

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Juan I. Cahis - 22 Mar 2008 15:19 GMT
Dear friends:

Please recommend me a (free or cheap) utility to convert NTSC (USA)
DVDs to European PAL DVDs

Thanks a lot !!!!!

Thanks
Juan I. Cahis
Santiago de Chile (South America)
Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!
sbt - 22 Mar 2008 15:34 GMT
> Dear friends:
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> Thanks

You can do the job with ffmpegX, which is free. Just feed the NTSC
source and have your output set to PAL.

Be aware, though, that such a conversion will result in quality
degradation due to reencoding/compressing. The two formats involve
different framerates, framesizes, and color models (as well as more
minor differences).

And, of course, that only takes care of the "movies" -- you'll also
need to reauthor the disk to recreate a converted menu structure.

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gtr - 22 Mar 2008 16:48 GMT
> Dear friends:
>
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> Santiago de Chile (South America)
> Note: Please forgive me for my bad English, I am trying to improve it!

I spent a few weeks attempting to do this.  I was successful eventually
but it took 8-12 hours or something and then the degradation in quality
was not worth the effort.  Also in some situations I could not code
subtitles in to the final output.

My solution? A region-free DVD player that can play either NTSC or PAL.
They are really pretty inexpensive:

    http://www.220-electronics.com/google.htm

I am not affiliated with the company in any way except as a customer.
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William A. T. Clark - 22 Mar 2008 17:55 GMT
> > Dear friends:
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> I am not affiliated with the company in any way except as a customer.

The fact is that most modern (i.e. digital) TVs will handle both formats
without transcription. I have taken US NTSC DVDs to the UK, and had them
play perfectly well on a UK standard DVD player and PAL TV. You probably
need to be more concerned about making sure that they are
region-compatible. Even with that, most DVD players in the UK (I've
never tries one in the US) have simple software hacks, accessible
directly from their menus, that render them region-free. Google is your
friend for finding these hacks.

William Clark
Burt Johnson - 22 Mar 2008 18:44 GMT
> The fact is that most modern (i.e. digital) TVs will handle both formats
> without transcription. I have taken US NTSC DVDs to the UK, and had them
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> directly from their menus, that render them region-free. Google is your
> friend for finding these hacks.

I have been selling commercial videos since 1985 at

       http://www.mindstorm-inc.com/pages/vid.html

When we were selling VHS, I had to stock both NTSC and PAL.  Since we
switched to DVD, I have only sold the NTSC version.  

In the roughly 5 years since then, I have not had more than a half dozen
European customers say they could not play the DVD we shipped.
Initiially, we would offer them a VHS instead.  In the past 3 years, we
have just said "sorry about that. here is your refund" -- but only had
to do that twice in those 3 years.

Pretty much any player shipped in the last few years in Europe will play
either format.

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 http://www.mindstorm-inc.com/software.html

William A. T. Clark - 23 Mar 2008 17:24 GMT
> > The fact is that most modern (i.e. digital) TVs will handle both formats
> > without transcription. I have taken US NTSC DVDs to the UK, and had them
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> Pretty much any player shipped in the last few years in Europe will play
> either format.

Thank you - I concur.

William Clark
gtr - 22 Mar 2008 19:00 GMT
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> William Clark

I understand the DVD players in the UK can do a lot more that the
off-the-shelf DVD players in the US.

Mac-the-Ripper will strip region codes off commercial DVD's.
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sbt - 22 Mar 2008 19:32 GMT
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> Mac-the-Ripper will strip region codes off commercial DVD's.

Indeed it will; however, that has nothing to do with NTSC vs PAL.
Region codes are an "after the fact" copy protection technique and NTSC
and PAL are methods of preparing the raw video/audio for presentation
(whether via broadcast, film, tape, or optical media), specifying
framesize and rate, bitrate, color model, etc.

Removing the region code does not require reencoding the video;
however, moving between NTSC and PAL does impose such a requirement.

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gtr - 22 Mar 2008 20:05 GMT
>>>> I spent a few weeks attempting to do this.  I was successful eventually
>>>> but it took 8-12 hours or something and then the degradation in quality
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> Indeed it will; however, that has nothing to do with NTSC vs PAL.

Nor did I say it did.  Mr. Clark said region was probably a larger
concern for the OP.

> Region codes are an "after the fact" copy protection technique and NTSC
> and PAL are methods of preparing the raw video/audio for presentation
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> Removing the region code does not require reencoding the video;
> however, moving between NTSC and PAL does impose such a requirement.

And MTR won't do that.
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Marc Heusser - 22 Mar 2008 17:25 GMT
> Please recommend me a (free or cheap) utility to convert NTSC (USA)
> DVDs to European PAL DVDs

Not sure they will do that, but try MacTheRipper
http://www.mactheripper.org/
and Handbrake http://handbrake.fr/ - will at least recode to H.264 if
you store it on a harddisk to view.

HTH

Marc

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gtr - 22 Mar 2008 17:36 GMT
>> Please recommend me a (free or cheap) utility to convert NTSC (USA)
>> DVDs to European PAL DVDs
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> Marc

Neither will convert from NTSC to PAL.
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Marc Heusser - 22 Mar 2008 20:31 GMT
> Neither will convert from NTSC to PAL.

Ok, then Quicktime Pro will - or use any of these methods:
http://www.danslagle.com/mac/iMovie/tips_tricks/6017.shtml

HTH

Marc

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gtr - 22 Mar 2008 23:58 GMT
>> Neither will convert from NTSC to PAL.
>
> Ok, then Quicktime Pro will - or use any of these methods:
> http://www.danslagle.com/mac/iMovie/tips_tricks/6017.shtml

Does it do subtitles in the process? So how do you do that with
Quicktime, Drag a video_ts folder on it and then it simply converts it
to PAL? I have my doubts about that.  Almost the approaches I took to
this problem, and there many over a good long while, proved fruitless.  
Those that worked took from 8 to 16 hours to perform and the video was
significantly degraded.
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Warren Oates - 23 Mar 2008 13:59 GMT
> Does it do subtitles in the process? So how do you do that with
> Quicktime, Drag a video_ts folder on it and then it simply converts it
> to PAL? I have my doubts about that.  Almost the approaches I took to
> this problem, and there many over a good long while, proved fruitless.  
> Those that worked took from 8 to 16 hours to perform and the video was
> significantly degraded.

I think that the best solution for North Americans is to buy a
refurbished region-free multi-system DVD player, in some place like
XSCargo. They cost about $40.
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