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Bill - 17 Mar 2008 20:27 GMT
http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/diskwarriorupdate.html

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Bill - 18 Mar 2008 12:35 GMT
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<b2forewagner-D5E2A8.15271217032008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,

>  http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/diskwarriorupdate.html

Interestingly the repair permissions option is grayed out.  Not
supported with 4.1

Bill

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Mike Rosenberg - 18 Mar 2008 13:27 GMT
>  Interestingly the repair permissions option is grayed out.  Not
> supported with 4.1

I never really saw much point in having this in DW anyway.

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Jolly Roger - 18 Mar 2008 17:01 GMT
> >  Interestingly the repair permissions option is grayed out.  Not
> > supported with 4.1
>
> I never really saw much point in having this in DW anyway.

I don't get why so many run repair permissions as often as they do. I
never run it and my systems run just fine. If I ever fins that
permissions on Apple-supplied directories or files are set incorrectly,
I'll consider running it - but that hasn't happened yet.

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Lewis - 18 Mar 2008 20:58 GMT
>> >  Interestingly the repair permissions option is grayed out.  Not
>> > supported with 4.1
>>
>> I never really saw much point in having this in DW anyway.
>
> I don't get why so many run repair permissions as often as they do.

It's less messy than wavy chicken bones over the keyboard and sprinkling
the case with goat's blood, and is NEARLY as effective.


> I never run it and my systems run just fine.

I've run it a couple of times, mostly out of curiosity.  But it's
practically useless, and in some cases in earlier OS versions it
insisted on changing permissions I didn't want changed.

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Jolly Roger - 18 Mar 2008 22:12 GMT
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> It's less messy than wavy chicken bones over the keyboard and sprinkling
> the case with goat's blood, and is NEARLY as effective.

I suppose you're right about that.

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Mike Rosenberg - 18 Mar 2008 22:25 GMT
> > I never really saw much point in having this in DW anyway.
>
> I don't get why so many run repair permissions as often as they do. I
> never run it and my systems run just fine. If I ever fins that
> permissions on Apple-supplied directories or files are set incorrectly,
> I'll consider running it - but that hasn't happened yet.

Which only nails home my point about DW.  _If_ someone wants to do it,
it's readily available without DW anyway.

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Fred Moore - 19 Mar 2008 17:29 GMT
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<jollyroger-5CD744.11014218032008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
> I don't get why so many run repair permissions as often as they do. I
> never run it and my systems run just fine. If I ever fins that
> permissions on Apple-supplied directories or files are set incorrectly,
> I'll consider running it - but that hasn't happened yet.

Arrgh! You pirates have all the damn luck!!

But all seriousness aside: I have encountered _numerous_ problems from
bad permissions. Most typical: I install an app or an update, be it from
Apple or another software author, then something doesn't work, up to and
including the entire computer, _until_ I repair permissions. I will say
that I have noticed this problem less with the recent OS versions, but
that may be because I _always_ repair perms before _and_ after any
update. (Some claim sacrificing a goat first helps the computer find the
correct perms list.)

What boggles my mind is that very often Apple's own system updates leave
the system with incorrectly set permissions, iTunes and ColorSync being
notable offenders. How can apple let an updater out of the house with
that sort of bug. Where is their QC?!?

--Fred
Tom Stiller - 18 Mar 2008 14:41 GMT
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<b2forewagner-5A5F35.07353818032008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,

> In article
> <b2forewagner-D5E2A8.15271217032008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>  Interestingly the repair permissions option is grayed out.  Not
> supported with 4.1

Huh? Not on my iMac Core 2 Duo running 10.5.2 and DW 4.1.

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Bill - 18 Mar 2008 15:03 GMT
> In article
> <b2forewagner-5A5F35.07353818032008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Huh? Not on my iMac Core 2 Duo running 10.5.2 and DW 4.1.

Well on my Imac G5 running 10.5.2 it is.  This on the downloaded update
to DW 4.1 from 4.0.

I'll get the direct quote and post it.

Bill

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Bill - 18 Mar 2008 15:24 GMT
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> > In article
> > <b2forewagner-5A5F35.07353818032008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Bill

 BOX Not Checkable

 "Repair Disk Permissions
A disk with OS X installed must have correct user permissions for proper
operation,
 Unavailable, a newer Mac OS X version is installed."

 Weird Eh?

Bill

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Dave Seaman - 18 Mar 2008 15:44 GMT
> In article
><b2forewagner-5DBCAF.10030318032008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,

>> > In article
>> > <b2forewagner-5A5F35.07353818032008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>>
>> Bill

>   BOX Not Checkable

>   "Repair Disk Permissions
> A disk with OS X installed must have correct user permissions for proper
> operation,
>   Unavailable, a newer Mac OS X version is installed."

>   Weird Eh?

> Bill

Did you boot from the Diskwarrior CD (which runs Tiger), or from a
Leopard volume?

I'm guessing the former, which would explain "a newer Mac OS X version is
installed" on the target volume.

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Bill - 18 Mar 2008 16:44 GMT
> > In article
> ><b2forewagner-5DBCAF.10030318032008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> I'm guessing the former, which would explain "a newer Mac OS X version is
> installed" on the target volume.

I booted from the 4.1 download.

Bill

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Tom Stiller - 18 Mar 2008 17:06 GMT
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<b2forewagner-2A919E.11442318032008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,

[snip]

> > Did you boot from the Diskwarrior CD (which runs Tiger), or from a
> > Leopard volume?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>  I booted from the 4.1 download.

From the Alsoft DiskWarrior support page:
If you want or need to run DiskWarrior 4 version 4.1 from Mac OS X 10.4
or earlier, there are two features of DiskWarrior that are not available
for a Mac OS X 10.5 startup disk. First, you cannot repair the
permissions of a Mac OS X 10.5 startup disk. Second, you cannot rebuild
a FileVault that was created under Mac OS X 10.5. You will be able to
rebuild a FileVault that was created on a startup disk that was later
upgraded to Mac OS X 10.5.

NB: Your DiskWarrior CD may start up in Mac OS X 10.4 and would
therefore have these features disabled for a Mac OS X 10.5 startup disk.

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Dave Seaman - 18 Mar 2008 17:34 GMT
>> > In article
>> ><b2forewagner-5DBCAF.10030318032008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>> I'm guessing the former, which would explain "a newer Mac OS X version is
>> installed" on the target volume.

>  I booted from the 4.1 download.

That's not possible.  The download is just an application, not an
operating system.  It's not bootable.

What you probably mean is you used the download to create a bootable CD
containing Diskwarrior 4.1.  But the new CD has the same operating system
on it as the original Diskwarrior 4.0 CD (namely, Tiger).  That explains
why you couldn't repair permissions on a Leopard volume.

The whole point of the download was to get a version of Diskwarrior that
is capable of running under Leopard and can be fully functional when
repairing Leopard volumes.  That means you need to have Diskwarrior 4.1
installed on a bootable Leopard volume other than the one you are
repairing.

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Bill - 18 Mar 2008 18:54 GMT
> The whole point of the download was to get a version of Diskwarrior that
> is capable of running under Leopard and can be fully functional when
> repairing Leopard volumes.  That means you need to have Diskwarrior 4.1
> installed on a bootable Leopard volume other than the one you are
> repairing.

I have 4.1 on a bootable CD from the down load.  Last time I made  A CD
from diskwarrior  I ended up purchasing an upgrade from them .  

Just purchased a CD upgrade  from them for 4.1  US $ 60

Bill

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Erik Richard Sørensen - 18 Mar 2008 21:14 GMT
>>> In article
>>> <b2forewagner-5DBCAF.10030318032008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
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>
>  I booted from the 4.1 download.

When you bourned the update CD, did you remember to enter your
personalization informations and reg. number? - including your personal
user code?

I forgot to enter my personal user admin code the first time, and
luckily I put the blank CD in the wrong burner, so I was warned that
there was something wrong and started all over again...

No problems to repair permissions on any bootable HD either booted from
the DW CD or DW run from the HD...

Cheers, Erik Richard

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Erik Richard Sørensen - 18 Mar 2008 21:07 GMT
> In article Bill <b2forewagner@snip.net> wrote:
>> In article Bill <b2forewagner@snip.net> wrote:
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>
> Huh? Not on my iMac Core 2 Duo running 10.5.2 and DW 4.1.

Also works here on a Quicksilver Dual G4/,8ghz and a QuadCore MacPro...

cheers, Erik Richard

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J.J. O'Shea - 18 Mar 2008 15:02 GMT
> In article
> <b2forewagner-D5E2A8.15271217032008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>  Interestingly the repair permissions option is grayed out.  Not
> supported with 4.1

Errm... it's grayed out when you've selected a non-bootable drive, but it's
available when you've selected a bootable drive. Just like it always was.

> Bill

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