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Mac Forum / Applications / Mac Applications / March 2008How ancient is Option-Drag = Copy?
How far back in the history of the Finder or the Mac OS does the convention go that Click and Drag means Move, and Option-Click and Drag means Copy? Is it in the original Mac Graphic Interface handbook and standards doc? (I'd look myself, but I'm away from my home library) > How far back in the history of the Finder or the Mac OS does the > convention go that Click and Drag means Move, and Option-Click and Drag > means Copy? Is it in the original Mac Graphic Interface handbook and > standards doc? (I'd look myself, but I'm away from my home library) I think at least OS 7?  SignatureTim lance_1012@hotmail.com >> How far back in the history of the Finder or the Mac OS does the >> convention go that Click and Drag means Move, and Option-Click and Drag >> means Copy? Is it in the original Mac Graphic Interface handbook and >> standards doc? (I'd look myself, but I'm away from my home library) > > I think at least OS 7? If i remember right, it was also in system 6.0.7 and 6.0.8. - Sure system 7.x has it, 'cause I still use the '7' from time to time... cheers, Erik Richard Signature~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Rgds. Grüße, Mvh. Erik Richard Sørensen, Member of ADC <mac-man_NOSP@M_stofanet.dk> <http://www.nisus.com> NisusWriter - The Future In Multilingual Textprocessing ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > How far back in the history of the Finder or the Mac OS does the > convention go that Click and Drag means Move, and Option-Click and Drag > means Copy? Is it in the original Mac Graphic Interface handbook and > standards doc? (I'd look myself, but I'm away from my home library) I believe it does go back to the very beginning. jt > I believe it does go back to the very beginning. The original MFS didn't support files with the same name in different folders, because folders were an entirely fake concept. So it wasn't there in the first Mac. It could have been any time after HFS was introduced, though. > How far back in the history of the Finder or the Mac OS does the > convention go that Click and Drag means Move, and Option-Click and Drag > means Copy? It's at least bak to System 6. But you have it wrong. click-drag only did a move if you were dealing with the same drive. if you clicked and drug to a floppy it always did a copy, and THAT goes back to System 1.0. I don't know when the option drag=move was added, but it was a long time ago. SignatureBart: This is the worst day of my life. Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR. > > How far back in the history of the Finder or the Mac OS does the > > convention go that Click and Drag means Move, and Option-Click and Drag [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > ... I don't know when the option > drag=move was added, but it was a long time ago. Drag (at least of text, and at least in the Clarisworks of the time) was not in 6 - unless I misremember. But you could drag other objects about like things made with paint tools. I don't think (ergo) you could option drag anything in 6 but I am not 100% sure. 7 was different and references to this sort of thing is to be found in eg. The Macintosh Bible 4th Edition. Signaturedorayme In article <doraymeRidThis-B897F6.12565016032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > > > How far back in the history of the Finder or the Mac OS does the > > > convention go that Click and Drag means Move, and Option-Click and Drag [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > think (ergo) you could option drag anything in 6 but I am not > 100% sure. What a drag... SignatureNote: Please send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. JR In article <jollyroger-EAE999.03185416032008@70-3-168-216.area5.spcsdns.net> , > In article > <doraymeRidThis-B897F6.12565016032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > What a drag... Probably the most striking thing about ever turning on my old SEs is the tiny screen. The word processor is about as good as I would ever want for anything I do. The programming software is the slackest (greatest error tolerance ever), and therefore pretty easy going and fun: MS QuickBasic! And it has a better looking chess program than most I have seen, Sargon IV. And there is Brickles. I am quite good at Brickles. I doubt it counts for much these days. Come to think about it, I don't think it counted for much in those days. Signaturedorayme In article <doraymeRidThis-E2B5F8.19393216032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > Probably the most striking thing about ever turning on my old SEs > is the tiny screen. I remember seeing a Mac magazine columnist commenting on an ad for a keyboard extension cable for a Mac Plus: "How far away do you want to sit from 9-inch screen???" SignatureKevin Michael Vail | I would rather have a mind opened by wonder kevin@vaildc.net | than one closed by belief. -- Gerry Spence In article <doraymeRidThis-E2B5F8.19393216032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > In article > <jollyroger-EAE999.03185416032008@70-3-168-216.area5.spcsdns.net> ... > MS QuickBasic! Just a note to you, JR, that I responded 16 March 2008 7:55:31 PM to your email but do know if you have received it. Concerning your enquiry about QB. Signaturedorayme In article <doraymeRidThis-E93C87.11171418032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > In article > <doraymeRidThis-E2B5F8.19393216032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > to your email but do know if you have received it. Concerning > your enquiry about QB. Typo, should be: "do not know" Signaturedorayme In article <doraymeRidThis-E93C87.11171418032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > In article > <doraymeRidThis-E2B5F8.19393216032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > to your email but do know if you have received it. Concerning > your enquiry about QB. Oh! I bet it's sitting in the SPAM box... I'll check in a bit (or tomorrow morning). Thanks for notifying me! SignatureNote: Please send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. JR > But you have it wrong. click-drag only did a move if you were dealing > with the same drive. if you clicked and drug to a floppy it always did > a copy, and THAT goes back to System 1.0. I don't know when the option > drag=move was added, but it was a long time ago. Strangely enough, in Lisa OS (at least in the first version), dragging a file would move it even across volumes--you could drag a file from a hard drive to a floppy and it would copy the file to the floppy, then delete it from the hard drive. To copy a file, you'd click on the file and choose a Copy command from the File menu. An icon would appear next to the icon of the file you were copying, and begin blinking black and white. You'd click on the blinking icon, drag it to wherever you wanted the copy to be, and it'd copy the file. Incredibly cumbersome from today's perspective. Still, the Lisa OS did have some nice features. If the operating system crashed, it would write out the contents of memory and the state of all the running programs to disk, if you had a hard disk. Then it would restart, relaunch all the running applications except the one that crashed, and re-load the contents of RAM, meaning that you would not lose documents even if they had not been saved. I remember being amazed the first time I saw it happen. I actually used a Lisa as my primary computer for several years. Bought it for $100 from a computer repair shop; the screen kept rolling and they couldn't fix it. Replaced the potentiometer used for vertical hold (it used a primitive composite analog video card), and it worked great. Just recently trashed it when I pulled it out of the closet to fire it up and discovered the I/O board had corroded to the point where the computer would no longer boot. SignaturePhotography, kink, polyamory, shareware, and more: all at http://www.xeromag.com/franklin.html > Strangely enough, in Lisa OS (at least in the first version), dragging a > file would move it even across volumes--you could drag a file from a > hard drive to a floppy and it would copy the file to the floppy, then > delete it from the hard drive. My habit with Windows is to always drag with my right button - because I never remembered whether the default was Copy or Move. With OS X, I left click an item and one of the options is Copy, I don't see an option for move. I still don't naturally switch between OS-X and Windows when I need to switch CTL- and Command-. I wonder how long it will take me. (Heck, I'm a long way from being comfortable with my skinny keyboard - still make mistakes typing). |
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