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Mac Forum / Applications / Mac Applications / March 2008Fwd: Re: E-mail from MT-NewsWatcher
> From: Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: E-mail from MT-NewsWatcher > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:51:18 -0400 > Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.apps > Message-ID: <frdorn$fnr$1@news.mixmin.net> > > In article <barmar-674531.15160213032008@newsgroups.comcast.net>, > Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu> wrote: > > > I'm not sure what you're saying. What does "it will" refer to? I said > > it has its own *client*, not server. The software that sends trough the > > ISP's server is the SMTP client. > > The "client" has to communicate with the serverto both send and receive > mail. MTNW's "client" will hand off mail to whatever server you specify > in Personalities/Mail Server. Make sure you get the authentication > details right. My ISP blocks port 25, so I can't use my internal > sendmail (postfix, whatever), but they quit happily accept mail from > MTNW. > > Here's some headers from an email I sent myself from MTNW just now: > > From: Warren Oates <warren.oates@gmail.com> > To: warren.oates@gmail.com > Subject: test ignore > Organization: The Lady in Red Inc. > User-Agent: MT-NewsWatcher/3.5.3b2 (Intel Mac OS X) > Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:42:25 -0400 > > arrived quite happily in my Gmail inbox within seconds. Note that I > didn't override the User-Agent header for mail, only for news. It's > quite a clever little mail sender. I don't think you can set it up to > actually receive mail, though. I have not been able to send mail via MTNW for months. It cannot seem to find my smtp.att.yahoo.com mail server In article <rmkrissNOSPAM-6FAE31.16530614032008@news.houston.sbcglobal.net>, > I have not been able to send mail via MTNW for months. It cannot > seem to find my smtp.att.yahoo.com mail server What's the verbatim error message you get when you try?  SignatureNote: Please send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. JR In article <jollyroger-030BEC.17013114032008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > > I have not been able to send mail via MTNW for months. It cannot > > seem to find my smtp.att.yahoo.com mail server > > What's the verbatim error message you get when you try? ====== An error occurred when NewsWatcher tried to send a command to your mail server. NewsWatcher sent the following command: DATA The server sent the following response: 451 timeout (#4.4.2) Server errors sometimes mean that you did something wrong. For example, if you type a password incorrectly, you get a server error message. ====== I have double checked the user id and pwd several time In article <arkayREMOVE-77F97F.18290814032008@news.houston.sbcglobal.net>, > In article > <jollyroger-030BEC.17013114032008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > I have double checked the user id and pwd several time Hmmm... I'm pretty sure that doesn't mean MTNW cannot contact the server. From RFC 821: " Once the transmission channel is established, the SMTP-sender sends a MAIL command indicating the sender of the mail. If the SMTP-receiver can accept mail it responds with an OK reply. The SMTP-sender then sends a RCPT command identifying a recipient of the mail. If the SMTP-receiver can accept mail for that recipient it responds with an OK reply; if not, it responds with a reply rejecting that recipient (but not the whole mail transaction). The SMTP-sender and SMTP-receiver may negotiate several recipients. When the recipients have been negotiated the SMTP-sender sends the mail data, terminating with a special sequence. If the SMTP-receiver successfully processes the mail data it responds with an OK reply. The dialog is purposely lock-step, one-at-a-time." So this seems to indicate the connection to the server was already established, and then, for whatever reason, the server stopped responding to MTNW after MTNW sent the DATA command. SignatureNote: Please send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. JR In article <arkayREMOVE-77F97F.18290814032008@news.houston.sbcglobal.net>, > ====== > An error occurred when NewsWatcher tried [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > I have double checked the user id and pwd several time Forgive me. I'm sometimes dense. You aren't trying to use MTNW as a regular email client are you? Because that won't work. I'd be certain that you were, except you said it hadn't worked for months which indicates that it once did. smtp.att.yahoo.com works for your mail account. It has nothing to do with your Usenet account which MTNW is concerned with. leo In article <leoblaisdell-3203B8.20042314032008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > In article > <arkayREMOVE-77F97F.18290814032008@news.houston.sbcglobal.net>, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Forgive me. I'm sometimes dense. You aren't trying to use MTNW as a > regular email client are you? Because that won't work. Sure it does. That's what it does if you reply to the poster by email, rather than following up to the newsgroup. Or if you want to forward a post to someone by email. He's having some kind of communication problem with the server, but it's not that he can't find the server. It's not happening until well into the SMTP transaction. SignatureBarry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu Arlington, MA *** PLEASE don't copy me on replies, I'll read them in the group *** > Sure it does. That's what it does if you reply to the poster by email, > rather than following up to the newsgroup. Or if you want to forward a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > not that he can't find the server. It's not happening until well into > the SMTP transaction. Yeah, I knew I'd mess that up. MTNW has an extremely limited email client that responds to Usenet posts only AFAIK. I use the the original posters mail server and in Personalities, I have: (path in menu) Special->Personalities->Mail Server: Security: Secure Sockets Layer (SSL) Authentication: Automatic (most secure) my username my password check on 'Save Password" It works for me using Supernews and AT&T broadband. leo In article <leoblaisdell-6097C6.22043914032008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > > Sure it does. That's what it does if you reply to the poster by email, > > rather than following up to the newsgroup. Or if you want to forward a [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Yeah, I knew I'd mess that up. MTNW has an extremely limited email > client that responds to Usenet posts only AFAIK. Yes. It's a send-only (SMTP) email client. SignatureNote: Please send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. JR In article <leoblaisdell-3203B8.20042314032008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > Forgive me. I'm sometimes dense. You aren't trying to use MTNW as a > regular email client are you? Because that won't work. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > leo You _can_ send email from MTNW. That's what the little "Send Email" button is for. You just have to tell MTNW (Special/Personalities, Mail Server) what server you're using, on what port, and MTNW will hand the email off. You have to make sure that the security and authentication settings match what your server expects. SignatureW. Oates > You _can_ send email from MTNW.... > You have to make sure that the security and authentication > settings match what your server expects. I have eliminated error messages by changing the security and authentication settings. Signaturem-m > In article > <leoblaisdell-3203B8.20042314032008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > email off. You have to make sure that the security and authentication > settings match what your server expects. I have double tripped checked the address, pwd and port is correct, I have both Post News and Send Mail checked for this reply that should post it to news and send to your gamail. It will post the message but not send the email In article <arkayREMOVE-48C393.10321615032008@news.houston.sbcglobal.net>, > > In article > > <leoblaisdell-3203B8.20042314032008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > post it to news and send to your gamail. It will post the message but > not send the email Forgive me if you've already mentioned this, but what do you have set for "Security" and "Authentication" in the Personalities > Mail Server panel? SignatureNote: Please send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. JR In article <arkayREMOVE-48C393.10321615032008@news.houston.sbcglobal.net>, > I have double tripped checked the address, pwd and port is correct, I > have both Post News and Send Mail checked for this reply that should > post it to news and send to your gamail. It will post the message but > not send the email Have you tried: smtp.mail.yahoo.com (on port 25) SignatureW. Oates In article <leoblaisdell-3203B8.20042314032008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > In article > <arkayREMOVE-77F97F.18290814032008@news.houston.sbcglobal.net>, [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > leo My regular email program is Entourage, part of MS Office 2008, and my mail is hosted by att.yahoo.com The MS Entourage user interface sucks for news so I use MTNW but cannot get it to send mail In article <arkayREMOVE-445706.10283815032008@news.houston.sbcglobal.net>, > The MS Entourage user interface sucks for news so I use MTNW but cannot > get it to send mail Then your settings are not correct. Your server is smtp.att.yahoo.com you need a secure sockets layer (SSL) connection. When you set the security, the port should change to 465. I don't know that the authentication should be set to, but automatic should work. If not, there are only two other choices. SignatureBart: This is the worst day of my life. Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR. > In article > <arkayREMOVE-445706.10283815032008@news.houston.sbcglobal.net>, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I don't know that the authentication should be set to, but automatic > should work. If not, there are only two other choices. I am already doing one of the two options. I do not send mail from MTNW. What is the other option? In article <arkayREMOVE-C794E1.07575916032008@news.houston.sbcglobal.net>, > > In article > > <arkayREMOVE-445706.10283815032008@news.houston.sbcglobal.net>, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I am already doing one of the two options. I do not send mail from > MTNW. What is the other option? I already asked you this once, but you didn't answer: What do you have set for "Security" and "Authentication" in the Personalities > Mail Server panel? Why not just tell us? It's like we are pulling teeth to get it out of you! The settings that work for my particular SMTP server are: Port: 25 Security: Use Transport Layer Security (TLS) if available Authentication: Password SignatureNote: Please send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. JR In article <jollyroger-91F2FE.11374516032008@70-3-168-216.area5.spcsdns.net>, > In article > <arkayREMOVE-C794E1.07575916032008@news.houston.sbcglobal.net>, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Why not just tell us? It's like we are pulling teeth to get it out of > you! I have stated more than once what settings I use. They are the same as I use for Entourage 2008 SSL port 465 that are required by smtp.att.yahoo.com > The settings that work for my particular SMTP server are: > > Port: 25 > Security: Use Transport Layer Security (TLS) if available > Authentication: Password I don't think att.yahoo.com supports TSL and port 25 In article <arkayREMOVE-CDE280.15283716032008@news.houston.sbcglobal.net>, > In article > <jollyroger-91F2FE.11374516032008@70-3-168-216.area5.spcsdns.net>, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > SSL port 465 My god, this truly *is* like pulling teeth. "SSL port 465" tells us what you have set for only two of the three settings I asked about. Look if you refuse to answer, just forget I asked, and good luck figuring out a solution. I have better things to do with my time than drill you for answers... SignatureNote: Please send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. JR > > I have stated more than once what settings I use. They are > > the same as I use for Entourage 2008 [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > figuring out a solution. I have better things to do with my time than > drill you for answers... Okay, take a breather, JR. I'll carry on here for a while in your place. To the OP: You've specified port 465 and SSL but you keep on _not_ answering the question about Authentication. How is _that_ set? Signature<http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/election.shtml> Election 2008 goods. <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://designsbymike.net/shop/greet.cgi> Holiday cards with attitude In article <arkayREMOVE-CDE280.15283716032008@news.houston.sbcglobal.net>, > SSL port 465 > > that are required by smtp.att.yahoo.com That is ONE of the settings asked for. Hw about the other now? "Authentication" is set to what? SignatureBart: This is the worst day of my life. Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR. > "Authentication" is set to what? As one using the same server and client, mine is set to Automatic as I told the OP sometime back. It ain't like it ought to be a secret. Has the OP chimed in lately? leo In article <leoblaisdell-3A890F.21481316032008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > > "Authentication" is set to what? > > As one using the same server and client, mine is set to Automatic as I > told the OP sometime back. I had to set mine to "Password" for it to work correctly. > It ain't like it ought to be a secret. Has > the OP chimed in lately? Nope. SignatureNote: Please send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. JR > I have not been able to send mail via MTNW for months. It cannot > seem to find my smtp.att.yahoo.com mail server Perhaps this is somehow related to starting a new thread by forwarding your post instead of just replying to the previous message. Signature<http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/election.shtml> Election 2008 goods. <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://designsbymike.net/shop/greet.cgi> Holiday cards with attitude |
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