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Mac Forum / Applications / Mac Applications / March 2008Conversion to HTML. Like what Pages won't do now. Method?
Hi guru people Using my last version of Pages, I used to be able to convert ("export") a Pages document into HTML (amongst other formats). Now I'm using version 3, that option doesn't appear. Is there a workround? How else can I do it? Or is this yet another Jobs view of FUProgress? PS. I've experimented using the textutil command, but if I try a complex document with footnotes, it gives up and says there was a read error. The Texedit method also won't save footnotes. Or rather, it saves them without the markers, which is as good as not saving them. Any suggestions? Thanks > Hi guru people > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Thanks I checked Pages' help but found nothing useful. I then logged onto Apple's pages discussion forum and the prevailing recommendation is if you need HTML documents, you are better off using an HTML authoring program, rather than Pages. The option to save a file in HTML format was removed, presumably because the quality of the HTML output was lousy and there wasn't enough of a demand to fix it. > Using my last version of Pages, I used to be able to convert ("export") a > Pages document into HTML (amongst other formats). Now I'm using version 3, > that option doesn't appear. > > Is there a workround? How else can I do it? Or is this yet another Jobs > view of FUProgress? You might take a look at Freeway Express which is a WYSIWYG application for creating websites. To use it one does not need to have knowledge of HTML, but the result when one "publishes" there site is the generation of such. If one is used to using Pages they should have no difficulty in using Freeway Express.  SignatureJames Leo Ryan ..... Austin, Texas ..... taliesinsoft@mac.com > > Using my last version of Pages, I used to be able to convert ("export") a > > Pages document into HTML (amongst other formats). Now I'm using version 3, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > is used to using Pages they should have no difficulty in using Freeway > Express. Thanks for your comments. If I had time I could do the markup myself, manually - no problemo. But I'm working on a huge pile of (old) WORD files which I want to quickly make accessible via a browser. Never mind. There was a time when I really loved working with Apple. I wonder how long they'll go on making computers, since their energies go elsewhere these days. Perhaps the simplest solution is to retrograde to Pages 2. I wonder if it'll read newer documents. Hmmm. Thanks anyway. > > > Using my last version of Pages, I used to be able to convert ("export") a > > > Pages document into HTML (amongst other formats). Now I'm using version [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > files which I want to quickly make accessible via a browser. Never > mind. He just told you it's WYSIWYG - there's no need to do the markup yourself with a WYSIWYG HTML editor. > There was a time when I really loved working with Apple. I wonder how > long they'll go on making computers, since their energies go elsewhere > these days. Apparently you haven't been paying much attention to Apple lately, because your assertion that their energy is focused elsewhere is a load of baloney. Apple always has been, and probably always will be, a hardware company. And Macs are a *huge* part of their business and overall strategy. > Perhaps the simplest solution is to retrograde to Pages 2. I wonder if > it'll read newer documents. Hmmm. From what I gather, the reason Apple pulled the "Save as HTML" feature from Pages is it screwed up formatting of documents so horrrendously they had no choice but to pull it. Maybe instead of locking yourself into Pages mentally, you should open your mind to alternative solutions, such as the one mentioned above (Freeway Express). SignatureNote: Please send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. JR In article <jollyroger-1C588D.13073114032008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > > > > Using my last version of Pages, I used to be able to convert ("export") > > > > a [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > your mind to alternative solutions, such as the one mentioned above > (Freeway Express). Nah. He's just run out of the CoolAid(tm). We need to send him a new supply with a CoolAid consumption compliance officer to ensure he keeps drinking it. SignatureDeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... > There was a time when I really loved working with Apple. I wonder how > long they'll go on making computers, since their energies go elsewhere > these days. Amen! Amen! Amen! It's really sad . . . > > > Using my last version of Pages, I used to be able to convert ("export") a > > > Pages document into HTML (amongst other formats). Now I'm using version [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Perhaps the simplest solution is to retrograde to Pages 2. I wonder if > it'll read newer documents. Hmmm. Did you read what Talliensoft said to you at all? Signaturedorayme In article <doraymeRidThis-823DFC.07511715032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > Did you read what Talliensoft said to you at all? Obviously not. SignatureNote: Please send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. JR In article <jollyroger-3FDADF.15550214032008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > In article > <doraymeRidThis-823DFC.07511715032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > > > Did you read what Talliensoft said to you at all? > > Obviously not. Overdue for your medication? > In article > <jollyroger-3FDADF.15550214032008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Overdue for your medication? Oh you know what? f.ck you, pal. *plonk* SignatureNote: Please send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. JR In article <doraymeRidThis-823DFC.07511715032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > > > > Using my last version of Pages, I used to be able to convert ("export") > > > > a [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Did you read what Talliensoft said to you at all? Sure, but I'm not buying another application, thanks. > In article > <doraymeRidThis-823DFC.07511715032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > > > Did you read what Talliensoft said to you at all? > > Sure, but I'm not buying another application, thanks. Then use a free one, thanks. <http://webdesign.about.com/od/htmleditors/tp/aatpfreewysmac.htm> Idiot... SignatureNote: Please send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. JR > Thanks for your comments. If I had time I could do the markup myself, > manually - no problemo. But I'm working on a huge pile of (old) WORD > files which I want to quickly make accessible via a browser. Never > mind. Oh, in that case I think you want to look at just TexEdit, which opens word docs and saves as HTML. SignatureBart: This is the worst day of my life. Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR. > > Thanks for your comments. If I had time I could do the markup myself, > > manually - no problemo. But I'm working on a huge pile of (old) WORD [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Oh, in that case I think you want to look at just TexEdit, which opens > word docs and saves as HTML. This is how TextEdit makes a margin: <p class="p2"><br></p> <p class="p2"><br></p> <p class="p3"><br></p> I kid you not! Signaturedorayme > > Oh, in that case I think you want to look at just TexEdit, which opens > > word docs and saves as HTML. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I kid you not! TextEdit or TexEdit? Signature<http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/election.shtml> Election 2008 goods. <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://designsbymike.net/shop/greet.cgi> Holiday cards with attitude In article <1idt3qb.wzyvigy62v1iN%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com>, > > > Oh, in that case I think you want to look at just TexEdit, which opens > > > word docs and saves as HTML. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > TextEdit or TexEdit? As I said. TexEdit does not obviously have a HTML export function. I am sure, if Lewis said so, it must have one though. I understand that Lewis is always right about everything <g> Signaturedorayme In article <doraymeRidThis-2A909C.11045815032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > In article > <1idt3qb.wzyvigy62v1iN%mikePOST@TOGROUPmacconsult.com>, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > As I said. TexEdit does not obviously have a HTML export > function. I am sure, if Lewis said so, it must have one though. It was a typo for TextEdit. > I understand that Lewis is always right about everything <g> What the f.ck is wrong with you and what the f.ck did I ever do to you to deserve this? I don't even KNOW you and my posting record on this (and the other csm groups) certainly does not show any tendency for me to be correct more often than others. Back off. SignatureBart: This is the worst day of my life. Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR. > In article > <doraymeRidThis-2A909C.11045815032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > What the f.ck is wrong with you Just stop right there and calm down. I don't see no <g> next to your intemperate words. Eh? > and what the f.ck did I ever do to you > to deserve this? Deserve *what* is the question. I did not give you anything bad to be concerned about. You need to calm down and think about the situation more. I have thought well of you. There was nothing wrong with your post or any other post of yours at all. But you are out of line here feller. I don't give a stuff what anyone thinks, or what idiotic well-meaning lectures will arise as usual about the dangers of communicating with strangers. (As far as I see, everyone misunderstands everyone in ngs if it is at all possible to do so and it is always possibe!) I know what I was thinking and it was not *against you* in any way. Someone said this thing about you always being right in some posts a while back, it was quoted at least and you did not object and took it in good humour. Or so I thought! I never saw you explode and may have jumped to a conclusion that you take such things in good part. That it was a known saying about you, that you had built up some interesting persona in this group along these lines. A sort of in joke. If you look closely (but I can see you have not got the patience for analysis of this kind at the moment) you might consider a different interpretation. I could not find an export function for Tex but actually thought there is likely to be one (it has a lot of menus and stuff) but considering you had said it and might have therefore been more familiar with that program. I never even use it really. Yes, I know, you meant Text as I originally thought - from your above. If you want a free punch, go ahead. I am as sick as dog with the flu at the moment and would welcome it if you killed me outright. If you are not prepared to do that then at least entertain me with some more vile condemnation of me, my character, the very space I take up and anything you want. I need distracting and this is a pure bit of luck for me. It never occurred to me it would offend you. If you are not prepared to vilify me at length (my real preference) perhaps you would care to comment on the quality of TextEdit's html export ('Save as' in fact) function. Signaturedorayme In article <doraymeRidThis-BF85BB.18421815032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > I know what I was thinking and it was not *against you* in any > way. OK, my bad. I apologize. SignatureBart: This is the worst day of my life. Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR. > What the f.ck is wrong with you and what the f.ck did I ever do to you > to deserve this? I don't even KNOW you and my posting record on this > (and the other csm groups) certainly does not show any tendency for me > to be correct more often than others. Back off. She's a Martian. Give her a break. I suggest listening to her regarding HTML. I suggest being entertained by her regarding everything Mac. Oh, and she doesn't back off. It's nothing personal. One who knows. leo In article <leoblaisdell-B8F3BA.01020115032008@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.ne t>, > > What the f.ck is wrong with you and what the f.ck did I ever do to you > > to deserve this? I don't even KNOW you and my posting record on this [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > leo Thank you Leo, you will notice a little mellowing over the years in the interest of getting on with folks here these days. I am thinking Lewis might have missed the <g> or not remembered or seen the remark by my blackest enemy a while back. (No doubt Black Larson will be chuckling in his evilness at the trouble he has got me into!). Don't tell Lewis, but I actually quite like him! Signaturedorayme In article <doraymeRidThis-B4BE53.19230615032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > Don't tell Lewis, but I actually quite like him! Mums the word. leo > > Thanks for your comments. If I had time I could do the markup myself, > > manually - no problemo. But I'm working on a huge pile of (old) WORD [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Oh, in that case I think you want to look at just TexEdit, which opens > word docs and saves as HTML. Yes, thanks for your comment. But if you read my original post, you'll note I've tried this and Textedit doesn't retain footnote markers. > > Using my last version of Pages, I used to be able to convert ("export") a > > Pages document into HTML (amongst other formats). Now I'm using version 3, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > is used to using Pages they should have no difficulty in using Freeway > Express. You can still export Pages as RTF, can't you? And TexEdit still saves as HTML... SignatureBart: This is the worst day of my life. Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR. > Hi guru people > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Thanks The Last Laugh This goes to MasturGates, because I took the task to Uni and used one of the PCs there. Easy. Apple may not think it's worth their while bothering, but it seems Microscoft do. It was a bit of a jiggle with XML to HTM, but the end result looks fine on Safari (provided you don't peek at the code, which seems to be built on blocks of non-breaking-spaces like Lego!). But that simple job was all I wanted. Sorry I couldn't test the Freeway hypothesis, to those who kindly recommended it. All I could find to borrow was a very old copy (3.5.6) which crashed on launch repetitively. And it used to be the Mac that showed up the PC wallahs. OK - End of Story. > This goes to MasturGates, because I took the task to Uni and used one > of the PCs there. Easy. Apple may not think it's worth their while [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > But that simple job was all I wanted. Bullshit. You demanded to do it from within Pages on Mac OS, and you weren't satisfied with anything but doing it from within Pages. You completely ignored all of the WYSIWYG editors suggested. Then you turn around and do it with completely different software on a PC. So apparently you are willing to use software other than Pages, just not on a Mac. What, did you think nobody would notice that? > Sorry I couldn't test the Freeway hypothesis, to those who kindly > recommended it. All I could find to borrow was a very old copy (3.5.6) > which crashed on launch repetitively. Yes, because the current version is *so* freaking hard to get! And it's not like any of the free WYSIWYG HTML editors listed below are easy to come by. I mean gosh... you have to actually DOWNLOAD THEM! The horror! <http://webdesign.about.com/od/htmleditors/tp/aatpfreewysmac.htm> > And it used to be the Mac that showed up the PC wallahs. OK - End of > Story. All you've proven here is you're a bull-headed idiot. Good job! > The Last Laugh Uh huh... I've got news for you - most knowledgeable people here is secretly laughing at you. Who really has the last laugh? Hmm? SignatureNote: Please send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. JR In article <jollyroger-FADA51.10560217032008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > > This goes to MasturGates, because I took the task to Uni and used one > > of the PCs there. Easy. Apple may not think it's worth their while [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > apparently you are willing to use software other than Pages, just not on > a Mac. What, did you think nobody would notice that? It should also be noted that the likely "converter" on the PC was Word, an application that originated on the Mac and is still available for the Mac (even as a brandnew version released just a couple months ago). In short, we're either dealing with someone whose logic skills are virtually non-existent or with a more-than-usually inept troll. SignatureSpenser > In article > <jollyroger-FADA51.10560217032008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > an application that originated on the Mac and is still available for > the Mac (even as a brandnew version released just a couple months ago). Yes, I'm aware of the origins of MSWord. I've been using Macs for over 20 years, and still have an old PPC with an active copy of Word 5.1 - which is perhaps one of the best products Microsoft even made. It does not, however, have a facility for Save As ... HTML. And as I stopped contributing to Gates' fortune some time ago, I'm not going to shell out for his current bloatware. I'm obliged to use it at Uni. That's quite enough, thanks. If you want more details, read my post to Jolly [?!] Roger. > In short, we're either dealing with someone whose logic skills are > virtually non-existent or with a more-than-usually inept troll. It's notable how the TROLL word gets rolled out the moment rational thought is exhausted. Logic? When you can illustrate your claims properly logic style in propositional calculus, I'll consider them. > > In short, we're either dealing with someone whose logic skills are > > virtually non-existent or with a more-than-usually inept troll. > > It's notable how the TROLL word gets rolled out the moment rational > thought is exhausted. Logic? When you can illustrate your claims > properly logic style in propositional calculus, I'll consider them. Okay, to take your post (mid-thread) to which I followed up on a JR post: > This goes to MasturGates, because I took the task to Uni and used one > of the PCs there. Easy. Apple may not think it's worth their while [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > And it used to be the Mac that showed up the PC wallahs. OK - End of > Story. Your implication in the last paragraph is that the "solution" you found had the PC showing up the Mac -- your solution had nothing to do with the PC vs the Mac, it had to do with Word vs Pages, and the Mac version of Word does the job. You are adding other conditions midstream: 1) You don't want to buy another application 2) You won't use a current Mac version of Word so as not to put $$ in the Microsoft coffers 3) You don't have the time to investigate any of the other suggested alternatives None of those three were in your original posts on the subject. Thus, since you were flailing by imposing additional constraints and either phrasing your conclusion poorly (quoted above) or just trying to chum the waters, I posited two explanations: either your posts were trolling (a fairly common occurrence around here in the past year or two) or that your arguments were poorly stated and your conclusions were poorly drawn. A third possibility, I suppose, is that your expositional skills are inadequate. SignatureSpenser > > > In short, we're either dealing with someone whose logic skills are > > > virtually non-existent or with a more-than-usually inept troll. [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > drawn. A third possibility, I suppose, is that your expositional skills > are inadequate. I will accept your criticism that PC does not equal Microsoft in the same way that there is a relationship between crApple's hardware and software (although many people would understand the association) and I also accept that my original post did not include a resume of my entire computing knowledge. However, the original post (NOT the one you have quoted here) related to Apple removing a facility from Pages instead of fixing it, a facility which was NOT covered by TextEdit, as I use a lot of footnotes. As far as the suggested alternatives are concerned, mostly they seem to reflect an complete misunderstanding of the original post. The so-called Jolly Roger kindly sent me a link to a bunch of HTML editors, none of which are remotely capable of providing the missing conversion facility, and are no more relevant than a recipe for Broccoli Quiche. I reckon the real issue here has been my criticism of crApple. That you obsessives just can't handle. If anyone who doesn't agree with you completely is a troll, then you're going to meet plenty more, buddy. Get help! You're not likely to meet me again, because I shalln't waste my time with this group. It's a conclusion I've come to before, and incidentally one that supports the old idea of locking up the mentally ill and those with anti-social behavioural problems. If others are reading this - thanks to the couple of people who responded with (a) confirmation that Pages indeed no longer does the HTML conversion, i.e. an on-topic response, and (b) an agreement that in their opinion crApple has declined, in computering terms. No doubt iPods and iPhones etc have their place, their value, and their enthusiasts. But the fact is that crApple chose not to fix the Markup issues with Pages. THAT was what my post was about. So so long, and ... well thanks, but you can keep the fish. > You're not likely to meet me again, because I shalln't waste my time > with this group. It's a conclusion I've come to before, and > incidentally one that supports the old idea of locking up the mentally > ill and those with anti-social behavioural problems. Why don't you apologise for this crass and cruel and ignorant remark, you f.cking prick. I wish I had read it before raising another issue with you earlier in too friendly a way. Signaturedorayme > As far as the suggested alternatives are concerned, mostly they seem to > reflect an complete misunderstanding of the original post. The > so-called Jolly Roger kindly sent me a link to a bunch of HTML editors, > none of which are remotely capable of providing the missing conversion > facility, and are no more relevant than a recipe for Broccoli Quiche. That was in response to someone else's mention of WYSIWYG HTML editors, dummy. You'll also note that I told you that Microsoft Word for Mac has a "Save as HTML" menu item (and it supports footnotes just fine) as well as OpenOffice and NeoOffice. Were those any more relevant than a recipe for Broccoli Quiche? SignatureNote: Please send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. JR > > In article > > <jollyroger-FADA51.10560217032008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > thought is exhausted. Logic? When you can illustrate your claims > properly logic style in propositional calculus, I'll consider them. It's time you either went to sleep next to this pod OR drank this specially formulated 8 flavor CoolAid. You bemoan the fact that a program you've been using had features removed in a later release. I'm sure if you look around there are OpenSource alternatives to do what you want or if they're aren't, spend some of your copious free time writing a tool that does what you want (you seem to have a lot to complain about people's spelling, grammar, logic, and how their mother dresses them). Got code? SignatureDeeDee, don't press that button! DeeDee! NO! Dee... > It's notable how the TROLL word gets rolled out the moment rational > thought is exhausted. Logic? When you can illustrate your claims > properly logic style in propositional calculus, I'll consider them. I have noted this too. We probably share the same propensity to irritate folk and they lash out but are not always savvy about quite how to slice up the universe to make the most accurate verbal reactions. Anyway, never mind all this. You draw a long bow with the interesting propositional calculus remark. It would be mostly unhelpful to put an argument in such a form because of the practicalities, the main one being that the faults or strengths of the reasoning would have been well evident earlier without such a format casting. Would you, for example, put Daniel Dennett's books into propositional calculus form to check his reasoning? I doubt it! There are too many easier ways. Signaturedorayme In article <jollyroger-FADA51.10560217032008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, > > This goes to MasturGates, because I took the task to Uni and used one > > of the PCs there. Easy. Apple may not think it's worth their while [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Bullshit. You demanded to do it from within Pages on Mac OS, and you > weren't satisfied with anything but doing it from within Pages. Pages2 could manage this task, and it was the removal of that facility in Pages3 that prompted my original post. Sure the code Pages2 produced to do his was subject to comment [!] but nevertheless, it would open a .doc file, and display it via a browser (in its own terms, it export as HTML) in just a few clicks. As I said in my original post I was aware TextEdit could do this, but TextEdit doesn't handle footnotes, and as an academic, I need that capability. > You completely ignored all of the WYSIWYG editors suggested. see above > Then you turn > around and do it with completely different software on a PC. So > apparently you are willing to use software other than Pages, just not on > a Mac. What, did you think nobody would notice that? I'm not engaged in a game here, I have work that needs to be done, and as I have access to PCs at my university, I used them. Not my preference, but it's notable that they performed the task. > > Sorry I couldn't test the Freeway hypothesis, to those who kindly > > recommended it. All I could find to borrow was a very old copy (3.5.6) [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > <http://webdesign.about.com/od/htmleditors/tp/aatpfreewysmac.htm> If I wanted to use a HTML editor, I'd have used BBEdit, and my question would never have been asked. But I don't have time to do the markup, which is why I needed a quick-and-easy conversion. I have around a thousand text documents in the .doc format which I want to make available via the web. I'll take a careful look at the link you've provided - for which thanks - and see if there's something useful there. Perhaps if you'd simply provided that in the first place instead of trying to be a smartass, we wouldn't be having this conversation now. If you don't want to get yourself into deep water, you should read posts more carefully. > > And it used to be the Mac that showed up the PC wallahs. OK - End of > > Story. > > All you've proven here is you're a bull-headed idiot. Good job! Not that I can see. Apple removed a facility from their Word processor without providing an alternative. Microsoft have retained their (clunky) equivalent. Simple. Presently it looks like using the PC is the winner of this little contest, and that Apple couldn't be bothered to fix the problem that caused them to remove their facility. Not impressive at all. > > The Last Laugh > > Uh huh... I've got news for you - most knowledgeable people here is > secretly laughing at you. And not at your grammar? I asked a simple question, and shared a reflection about my disappointment with the direction Apple Inc is taking. However, you chose to be abusive, and not even directly. I suggest the matter be dropped. > In article > <jollyroger-FADA51.10560217032008@earthlink.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > to fix the problem that caused them to remove their facility. Not > impressive at all. Heh... Nope. That would only be true if there were no applications that provided such features on Mac OS X. That's not the case. You simply refuse to look. Microsoft Word (2004) _on Mac OS X_ provides a File > Save as HTML option. The free Open Office / Neo Office both do it as well. But we know from experience how you *really* feel about free software that you have to download and install. I'm certain there are yet many other undiscovered ways to do what you want on the Mac, but you'll likely never encounter them because you are too busy bashing Apple and praising Microsoft. Game over - you lose. > > > The Last Laugh > > > > Uh huh... I've got news for you - most knowledgeable people here is > > secretly laughing at you. > > And not at your grammar? It's called a typo - born from quick editing and re-wording. I'm sure that *never* happens to you, right? Ask around and find out for yourself what others here think of the quality of my grammar, if you care so much about it. And stop trying to change the subject. > I asked a simple question, and shared a reflection about my > disappointment with the direction Apple Inc is taking. And you refused to comunicate before-hand, nor budge from, your ill-conceived limitations. > However, you chose to be abusive, and not even directly. I suggest the > matter be dropped. That's what happens when an idiot tries my patience. Get used to it, or go back to your Windows PC and live happily. Good riddance. SignatureNote: Please send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. JR > Ask around and find out for yourself what others here think of the > quality of my grammar, if you care so much about it. Wait, there's supposed to be QUALITY? ;P >And stop trying to change the subject. Oh no, please, anything for a change of subject! Alas, Alack, my kingdom for a subject change! > And you refused to comunicate before-hand, nor budge from, your > ill-conceived limitations. Well, he does seem to be a Windows user. Oh, wait, you said that already. So, how about them Mets? SignatureThis above all, to thine own self be trueAnd it must follow, as the night the day,Thou canst not then be false to any man. > The Last Laugh > > This goes to MasturGates, because I took the task to Uni and used one > of the PCs there. Easy. Game over. I'm selling my Mac. > Sorry I couldn't test the Freeway hypothesis, to those who kindly > recommended it. All I could find to borrow was a very old copy (3.5.6) > which crashed on launch repetitively. I don't know what Windows software you used to cure the uncurable mac dilemma, but if you got an old enough copy of that, it too wouldn't produce html. > And it used to be the Mac that showed up the PC wallahs. OK - End of > Story. Yeah, that was the old days. Vista rules again! SignatureThank you and have a nice day. > > The Last Laugh > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > dilemma, but if you got an old enough copy of that, it too wouldn't > produce html. Microsoft Word: Save as XML, open in Internet Explorer and Save again. The result opened in Safari, no problems: a nice clean read. > > And it used to be the Mac that showed up the PC wallahs. OK - End of > > Story. > > Yeah, that was the old days. Vista rules again! > Microsoft Word: Save as XML, open in Internet Explorer and Save again. > The result opened in Safari, no problems: a nice clean read. So if the problem was to get things from Pages 3 to HTML, you could have exported from Pages to MS Word. Opened in MS-Word and done as you said. Or if you don't have Word on the Mac, then you could have saved from Pages to MS Word and then opened that with OpenOffice and exported to HTML. Or, as it now seems, you were in a position to develop these documents in something other than Pages, there are tools like Komodo, or if you want a full blown text editor, than OpenOffice. Personally, I think that for a document with layout elements like footnotes, you are best off publishing the documents as PDF anyway. HTML really isn't well suited for the task that you describe. I can certainly understand your disappointment that in the move from Pages 2 to Pages 3 you lost the direct export to HTML. But I am an HTML conservative, and really don't think that HTML should be generated from word processors. PDF is the right format for distributing the documents created with word processors. -j SignatureJeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings. http://improve-usenet.org/ > PDF is the right format for distributing the documents created with > word processors. And it's best if that pdf is generated from LaTeX so it can look its best. SignatureLove seeketh not itself to pleaseNor for itself hath any careBut for another gives its easeAnd builds a heaven in Hell's despair > Jeffrey <nobody@goldmark.org> wrote: >> PDF is the right format for distributing the documents created with >> word processors. > And it's best if that pdf is generated from LaTeX so it can look its best. I fully agree. I can't imagine writing an academic paper in something other than LaTeX or similar. I have started using Pages for newsletters. And my wife's co-authors all use Word (on Windows) for academic work, so she has been dragged over to the dark side of document preparation. -j SignatureJeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings. http://improve-usenet.org/ In article <alpine.OSX.1.00.0803181634160.440@hagrid.ewd.goldmark.org>, > > Jeffrey <nobody@goldmark.org> wrote: > >> PDF is the right format for distributing the documents created with [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > -j Did this OP provide an example of a page with his footnotes. I have been looking at the way TextEdit exports to HTML and it is a remarkably simple strategy based heavily on the p tag. A tip, btw, for those of you who want to use the editor as a quick first throw into html for a doc: make sure the main content text is a decent size, 16px or so and later you can use 'best practice' substitutions with font-size: 100% and even better. But I will not explain here now. The trap is that you can look at textEdit docs at magnified views without the fonts really being big enough for normal website users. The html engine picks up the actual size. It is doing the best it can. I am warming a bit to the way it does it and I am beginning to see how various made up and saved GREP pattern rules to modify the output could start to lick it into better shape. When I have more time... Signaturedorayme In article <doraymeRidThis-0519E6.13171519032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, > Did this OP provide an example of a page with his footnotes. I > have been looking at the way TextEdit exports to HTML and it is a > remarkably simple strategy based heavily on the p tag. TextEdit (and all the other Apple programs) almost certainly draw upon the textutil command line utility. Just do man textutil in Terminal to see how much control you have. -excludedelements tag1 tag2 ... is handy. Signaturehttp://www.ericlindsay.com In <NOwebmasterSPAM-D3A0A9.22190122032008@freenews.iinet.net.au>, Eric...: > Just do man textutil [...] Wow! That is handy. I hadn't known about that. -j SignatureJeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings. http://improve-usenet.org/ In article <alpine.OSX.1.00.0803221320580.31921@hagrid.ewd.goldmark.org>, > In <NOwebmasterSPAM-D3A0A9.22190122032008@freenews.iinet.net.au>, Eric...: > > > Just do man textutil [...] > > Wow! That is handy. I hadn't known about that. In Terminal, just do Esc Shift ? to get a list of 1485 (in my current Leopard) possible command line utilities. That is an old Unix thing that I don't think Apple ever documented. It has been in since at least Panther (I don't know about earlier, but I suspect so). I sure don't know what all of them do (and not all have man pages). I also really like sips, the command line scriptable image processing system, which lets you automate many photo conversion activities from Bash (or Applescript). Good for automating photos into web photo gallery pages. Signaturehttp://www.ericlindsay.com In article <NOwebmasterSPAM-B042C4.06555125032008@freenews.iinet.net.au>, Eric Lindsay <NOwebmasterSPAM@ericlindsay.com> wrote: > In article > <alpine.OSX.1.00.0803221320580.31921@hagrid.ewd.goldmark.org>, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > to get a list of 1485 (in my current Leopard) possible command line > utilities. If you haven't tried Clix... <http://rixstep.com/4/0/clix/> SignatureHelp improve usenet. Kill-file Google Groups. http://improve-usenet.org/ In <240320081611410088%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_Sbalderstone.ca>, Dave Balderstone...: > If you haven't tried Clix... > > <http://rixstep.com/4/0/clix/> I've seen clix listed on VersionTracker, but with your recommendation, I'll now actually check it out. Cheers, -j SignatureJeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings. http://improve-usenet.org/ > In article > <alpine.OSX.1.00.0803221320580.31921@hagrid.ewd.goldmark.org>, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Bash (or Applescript). Good for automating photos into web photo gallery > pages. It's always fun to know so much lurks just out of peripheral vision. SignatureThank you and have a nice day. In article <NOwebmasterSPAM-B042C4.06555125032008@freenews.iinet.net.au>, > In Terminal, just do > Esc Shift ? > to get a list of 1485 (in my current Leopard) possible command line > utilities. Another useful command is: apropos It searches for all command descriptions containing the word mentioned eg apropos text HTH Marc Signatureremove bye and from mercial to get valid e-mail <http://www.heusser.com> In article <NOwebmasterSPAM-D3A0A9.22190122032008@freenews.iinet.net.au>, > In article > <doraymeRidThis-0519E6.13171519032008@news-vip.optusnet.com.au>, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Just do man textutil in Terminal to see how much control you have. > -excludedelements tag1 tag2 ... is handy. NeoOffice employs a much more convoluted way of generating html. Reminds me (probably no coincidence) of MS's ways! Signaturedorayme |
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