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In Windows, I use Remote Desktop or pcAnywhere to control our Windows 2003 standard server. In Leopard, is there any built-in utility or 3rd party software to accomplish this job. Thanks, Scott > In Windows, I use Remote Desktop or pcAnywhere to control our Windows 2003 > standard server. In Leopard, is there any built-in utility or 3rd party > software to accomplish this job. Yes. Google is your friend. ; )  SignatureNote: Please send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. JR Jolly, Oh Google, which software? Could you please give more specifics. Thanks! Scott >> In Windows, I use Remote Desktop or pcAnywhere to control our Windows >> 2003 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Google is your friend. ; ) > Jolly, > > Oh Google, which software? Could you please give more specifics. Thanks! > > Scott Have some pablum, you poor, incapable dipshit... SignatureHelp improve usenet. Kill-file Google Groups. http://improve-usenet.org/ Only stupid guy will always think others as dipshit since s/he is incapable of communicating with others. If staying here is to waste your time, you must have somewhere to go and please. >> Jolly, >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Have some pablum, you poor, incapable dipshit... > Only stupid guy will always think others as dipshit since s/he is incapable > of communicating with others. If staying here is to waste your time, you > must have somewhere to go and please. > > "Dave Balderstone" Yes, this balder guy himself a big big dipstick himself and he big stoopid one and now he no has no where to hide so better he be flushed out here like a bad bad rabbit caught in bright bright spotlight and ... you have good instincts and happy rabbit hunting... (me rabbit catcher and rabbit trap maker, you send me $10 to help... i will =catch silly rabbit good. We eat rabbit stew together, you Scott and little me. We have wine too. Send another $10 so i buy wine and salt.) Signaturedorayme > Only stupid guy will always think others as dipshit since s/he is > incapable of communicating with others. If staying here is to waste your > time, you must have somewhere to go and please. What my colleagues are stating is that, if you do a Google search for "Macintosh remote access" you'll find what you're looking for. Signature<http://designsbymike.net/shop/mac.cgi> Mac and geek T-shirts & gifts <http://designsbymike.net/election.shtml> Election 2008 goods. <http://designsbymike.net/shop/prius.cgi> Prius shirts/bumper stickers <http://designsbymike.net/shop/greet.cgi> Holiday cards with attitude > > Only stupid guy will always think others as dipshit since s/he is > > incapable of communicating with others. If staying here is to waste your > > time, you must have somewhere to go and please. > > What my colleagues are stating is that, if you do a Google search for > "Macintosh remote access" you'll find what you're looking for. That's not *exactly* what I was saying, but I'll give you a pass this time. SignatureHelp improve usenet. Kill-file Google Groups. http://improve-usenet.org/ > Only stupid guy will always think others as dipshit since s/he is incapable > of communicating with others. If staying here is to waste your time, you > must have somewhere to go and please. I suspected it was going to be a mistake removing "berlin.de" from my kill-file... Sigh. Are you really so totally incapable of doing the most rudimentary web search before begging to be spoon-fed the results of someone else's search? You have my sympathy. It must be very difficult to be you. SignatureHelp improve usenet. Kill-file Google Groups. http://improve-usenet.org/ > §§ººg... > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Oh Google, which software? Could you please give more specifics. Thanks! Are you not capable of searching Google for "Mac remote access" or "Mac remote control" yourself? In fact, When I said "Google is your friend" I HAD done the search for you and had the page displaying in my web browser! But we are not your secretaries here! If you won't bother to do a simple search, why should we bother to do a search for you? I highly recommend you read and understand this: <http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html> SignatureNote: Please send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. JR > In Windows, I use Remote Desktop or pcAnywhere to control our Windows 2003 > standard server. In Leopard, is there any built-in utility or 3rd party [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Scott If you want to access a Windows system from your Mac you can download the Microsoft Remote Destop Connection Mac client. Choose the RDC 2.0 Beta, it is stable are works better. <http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/remote-desktop/default.mspx> This article describes a script that will allow you to launch multiple RDC clients so you can control multiple Windows systems at the same time from your Mac <http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20070801075013550> <http://www.macosxhints.com/dlfiles/mstsc.zip> There are also a bunch of other products that allow you to control a remote computer VNC (lots of different clients and servers for most platforms) LogMeIn.com NTRconnect Timbuktu YuuGuu.com CoPilot.com See this article over at MacOSXHints.com <http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=2007070718491787> Mac to Mac control using Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard systems is best done using the built-in iChat screen sharing and/or Back-to-My-Mac service. But the above methods still work. Finally, based on the kind of questions have been asking in the past fews days, I would like to suggest that you spend some time over at MacOSXHints.com which has a large collection of hints on how to do many of the non-typical things you seem to want to do with your new Mac. Bob Harris > If you want to access a Windows system from your Mac you can > download the Microsoft Remote Destop Connection Mac client. > Choose the RDC 2.0 Beta, it is stable are works better. > <http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/remote-desktop/default.mspx> For the record, my wife used that in her last job, and it works wonderfully. > There are also a bunch of other products that allow you to control > a remote computer [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > See this article over at MacOSXHints.com > <http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=2007070718491787> And for the record, I have had a heck of time with Mac control... :-( Back-to-my-Mac simply does not work. period. And the Apple store guys can't help, other than to say if I don't have an Apple branded airport at both sites, it probably won't work. No thanks. I don't want to spend $600 for hardware plus another $100 per year for .Mac just to occasionally control my mother's Mac (which is what I have been trying to do). Even Timbuktu is junk. I don't see how they manage to sell this to anyone. They claim that you can put your email address into the preferences, and then a remote client can control by using that same email. Nope. Not a chance. TB2 only works if I directly input the IP of my mother's machine. Of course, like most people, she has a dynamic IP that changes every time her modem turns off (she has 3 or 4 brief power outages per year). Every time that happens, I have to walk her (over the phone) how to determine the new net-side IP, so I can enter the new one. That is so much work that I usually just skip it and walk her through her problem on the phone again, as I have done for the past 15 years since i bought her a Mac for the first time. > Mac to Mac control using Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard systems is best > done using the built-in iChat screen sharing and/or Back-to-My-Mac > service. But the above methods still work. I plan on now looking into iChat. I have hopes, but they aren't very high, given my experience with Leopard screen sharing thus far... :-( Signature- Burt Johnson MindStorm, Inc. http://www.mindstorm-inc.com/software.html > > If you want to access a Windows system from your Mac you can > > download the Microsoft Remote Destop Connection Mac client. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > For the record, my wife used that in her last job, and it works > wonderfully. I've used the Mac RDC client myself, but not full time. What is very nice about is that it will export the sound as well as the screen. This has proved very helpful when work forced everyone to take a required web training course which would only record you completed the course via Internet Explorer. So I used the Mac RDC to a VMware server running Windows 2000 miles away. Worked wonderfully. The rest of the time I just VNC to the remote Linux system running the VMware server running that Windows system :-) > > There are also a bunch of other products that allow you to control > > a remote computer [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > I plan on now looking into iChat. I have hopes, but they aren't very > high, given my experience with Leopard screen sharing thus far... :-( While I know about all of these other methods of controlling a Mac or PC remotely, I mostly use VNC myself. I have been using VNC for a lot of years (before some of the alternatives came along), and while setting up a secure VNC connection 300 miles away across the internet to manage my Mom's iMac, once it is setup, it works very well for me. I also use VNC to access my Mac at work from home, as well as using VNC from my work Mac to Linux boxes 2000 miles away. I use a variety of VNC clients and servers. The Linux boxes use the vncserver that comes with Redhat. I use Vine Server (aka OSXvnc) on all my Macs. For clients I use Chicken of the VNC, JollysFastVNC, and an X11 port of TightVNC. It all depends on where and what I'm trying to do. They each have small differences that in some cases affects what I want to do. I've found that LogMeIn.com works well enough for something that is rather simple to setup, is free if you don't want the bells and whistles, gives you a secure connections, works through home NAT servers, and also gets through corporate firewalls. LogMeIn.com is not as fast as a VNC connection, but if your needs are infrequent aid to friends and family, or the need from time to time to access a remote system, it can be useful. Bob Harris Bob, I did use VNC on Windows environment but did not notice that they have Mac version. Same as RDC, I did not notice it to have Mac version as well. Will try both to see which one is most suitable to my scenario. Thanks for your sharing experience. Scott >> > If you want to access a Windows system from your Mac you can >> > download the Microsoft Remote Destop Connection Mac client. [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > > Bob Harris > Bob, > > I did use VNC on Windows environment but did not notice that they have Mac > version. Same as RDC, I did not notice it to have Mac version as well. > Will try both to see which one is most suitable to my scenario. Thanks for > your sharing experience. "chicken of the VNC" is the most popular VNC program for the Mac. Never used it myself, but I see frequent references to it in magazines and blogs. Signature- Burt Johnson MindStorm, Inc. http://www.mindstorm-inc.com/software.html > I did use VNC on Windows environment but did not notice that they have Mac > version. Same as RDC, I did not notice it to have Mac version as well. You may want to bookmark these web sites that track Mac software releases: MacUpdate: <http://macupdate.com> VersionTracker <http://versiontracker.com> You will find there is a wealth of Mac software out there. . . . Also, I thought you might want to know you've been doing something we call "top posting" which is considered improper etiquette in Usenet news groups such as this one. It's not the end of the world, but may be something you wish to correct in the future. Also, it's considered good manners to trim what you are replying to as much as possible whilst keeping some context so that others know what you are referencing in your reply. Thankfully, it's easily remedied, and no level-headed person will hold it against you if you correct your posting style now! As with most things, the decision is yours - do whatever you think is best. This should illustrate the problem to you: A: Because it reverses the flow of conversation. Q: Why is top-posting frowned upon on Usenet? A: Top-posting (aka TOFU - Top-post Over, Full quote Under) Q: What is one of the most annoying things in news groups? There are some great resources on the web for pretty much everything you'd ever want to know about the subject. When you get a minute, you might want to read these web pages: Quoting Style: <http://www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/2000/06/14/quoting.html> Quoting How To: <http://www.xs4all.nl/~hanb/documents/quotingguide.html> Posting Style: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style> SignatureNote: Please send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. JR > Also, I thought you might want to know you've been doing something we > call "top posting" which is considered improper etiquette in Usenet news [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > keeping some context so that others know what you are referencing in > your reply. If both those are done, then I agree that bottom posting seems more rational. However, if the trimming is not done, then top posting is much better! I hate having to scroll for pages only to find a one-line comment... Or even like Bob Harris' reply parallel to yours. Inserted the comment in the middle (fine and good), but then left the rest of the ignored tail. I had to scroll all the way to the bottom only to discover there was nothing else there. Trimming your posts is easy and polite. It galls me when people are too lazy and just pass the effort onto hundreds of others instead of taking the two seconds to delete the excess themselves... :-( Signature- Burt Johnson MindStorm, Inc. http://www.mindstorm-inc.com/software.html >If both those are done, then I agree that bottom posting seems more >rational. However, if the trimming is not done, then top posting is >much better! I totally agree. If there is a reason to have a large quote (extremely rare), then put a note at the top telling us that the rest is quote. >I hate having to scroll for pages only to find a one-line comment... Me too. >Or even like Bob Harris' reply parallel to yours. Inserted the comment >in the middle (fine and good), but then left the rest of the ignored [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >lazy and just pass the effort onto hundreds of others instead of taking >the two seconds to delete the excess themselves... :-( What is needed everywhere is consideration. Consider how others will read it. Even beyond being polite - you're posting for a reason. Don't waste your effort by making it hard for browsers to decide to read your post. > Bob, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Scott 2 things. 1st, the Mac OS X System Preferences -> Sharing -> Apple Remote Desktop, is really a built-in VNC server. I personally like the Vine Server (aka OSXvnc) from RedStone because I think it has done a better job of low bandwidth performance (low as in DSL connections), and it can be configured to ONLY accept connections via SSH tunnels. The Apple Remote Desktop VNC server does have the advantage that if you have multiple displays, it will export all of them as one huge desktop. OSXvnc will just export the display with the Apple menu on it. When I'm connecting to work, where I do have multiple monitors, I have to make sure that I do not want to access anything on the 2nd monitor via VNC (generally not a problem with the way I arrange things on my displays). 2nd, in the Mac news groups, "Top" posting is considered bad etiquette. Someone is going to get on your case eventually. Intermixed with text of the original post or appended to the bottom are the style used in most Mac news groups. Bob Harris > >> > If you want to access a Windows system from your Mac you can > >> > download the Microsoft Remote Destop Connection Mac client. [quoted text clipped - 83 lines] > > > > Bob Harris >> Bob, >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Bob Harris Interesting!! I now understand why it has a such setting in Options. Probably it is exclusive in Mac news groups. Is there any story behind? What about email? Obviously it is not in Windows world and they all defaulted to Top posting. Scott >> >> > If you want to access a Windows system from your Mac you can >> >> > download the Microsoft Remote Destop Connection Mac client. [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] >> > >> > Bob Harris > Interesting!! I now understand why it has a such setting in Options. > Probably it is exclusive in Mac news groups. Is there any story behind? > What about email? Obviously it is not in Windows world and they all > defaulted to Top posting. Yes but equally bad is failing to trim parts of the quoted material not relevant to your post. For instance in the post you made quoted above, I had to scroll allllll the way down to the end to find out whether or not you said anything at the bottom! Not fun! SignatureNote: Please send all responses to the relevant news group. E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my very hungry SPAM filter. JR >Interesting!! I now understand why it has a such setting in Options. >Probably it is exclusive in Mac news groups. Is there any story behind? >What about email? Obviously it is not in Windows world and they all >defaulted to Top posting. In all newsgroups (not just Mac newsgroups), top posting is considered poor etiquette. That's because people are reading a lot of messages, often without remembering earlier messages in the thread - and deciding whether to pause and read that message. If people need to go back to earlier messages in the thread, newsreaders can do that, the messages are available. Business e-mail is different. Often e-mail is forwarded to people, and they want a history of the conversation available to the person who gets added to the conversation. That person cannot find a history anywhere. So e-mail tends to be top posted. Windows comes with an e-mail program that can be used as a newsgroup reader as well. Its defaults are set up for e-mail use. If you use a Newsreader program instead - even on Windows, the defaults are different (unless you change them). It's using the right tool for the task. > Interesting!! I now understand why it has a such setting in Options. > Probably it is exclusive in Mac news groups. No. This has been the practice for people carrying on discussions in email and news for before you knew that the Internet existed. > Is there any story behind? Consider the following question and answer: A: No Q: Is top posting a good way to carry on a conversation. > What about email? Obviously it is not in Windows world and they all > defaulted to Top posting. Outhouse is where things really started to go down hill. There is a partial rational of Microsoft's choice when they finally decided to get into the Internet game and impose their own standards: In many businesses when a memo is distributed a "reply" is stapled to the top of the stack and the whole thing is passed on. So that way you have a record of the whole "conversation" with the most recent on top. There are, of course, circumstances, where that is appropriate. But they are few and far between in normal email or news discussions. Also note that this isn't "bottom posting". My responses are designed to make my posting more readable and conversational. Someone who reads this message maybe days after seeing yours, will should have enough wording form your message to make sense of mine. If they wish, they can go back and look at your original. As for trimming, simply consider what would happen in a long conversation with many participants if everyone followed your practice. Cheers, -j SignatureJeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings. http://improve-usenet.org/ >A: No >Q: Is top posting a good way to carry on a conversation. Memories of the Reverse Polish HP-35. > >A: No > >Q: Is top posting a good way to carry on a conversation. > > Memories of the Reverse Polish HP-35. No, because that actually made SENSE. I still have my HP-11c. I never use it anymore, but it was an amazing friend to me for many years. SignatureBart: This is the worst day of my life. Homer: This is the worst day of your life SO FAR. Bob, Thanks for your useful information and suggestion that may not find in Google search. The website suggested looks very interesting to me and I will spend some time there in order to gain more knowledge. I have been using pc (primary on Windows OS) over 30 years and now try to understand Mac OS world. As the starter, it seems lots of differences and make myself a new comer of using computer. I want to remain my interest in Mac OS and do not want to find a reason to leave. Thus, I am going to replace my Sony Vaio with my MBA. I will learn it faster and will understand Mac OS world shortly. Your assistance is great and got warm welcome to Mac world. Mac world is a small community as compared with Windows world. We need to communicate each other rather than isolating each other. Steve Jobs is changing to use Intel cpu, supplying Boot Camp to make the use of Windows easier and offering iTunes and Safari to Windows users, and so on. There is much less reason to have two different systems. The game over of Blue Ray DVD and HD DVD competition is a good example in 2008. Scott >> In Windows, I use Remote Desktop or pcAnywhere to control our Windows >> 2003 [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Bob Harris > Bob, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > using pc (primary on Windows OS) over 30 years and now try to understand Mac > OS world. Did they have PC's back in '78? At least not the IPM PC ('81). Maybe 8080 or Z80 CP/M systems. My first system was a Heathkit Z80 system (which of course I put together myself), and a 300 baud modem, put your phone headset in the ear couplers :-) Bob Harris > As the starter, it seems lots of differences and make myself a > new comer of using computer. I want to remain my interest in Mac OS and do [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > > > Bob Harris Bob, Your memory works well. My first time to touch the pc was Apple II (16 kB RAM, itn't it) when I could not afford to have my pc and my first computer was Z80 when pc was not invented. Then, pc started off and I am with its all changes. I have tried RDC 2.0b2 and it works lovely same as Windows and keep it. Thanks for your good suggestion. Scott >> Bob, >> [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] >> > >> > Bob Harris > Mac to Mac control using Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard systems is best > done using the built-in iChat screen sharing and/or Back-to-My-Mac > service. But the above methods still work. Screen Sharing doesn't require iChat. Just drag the Screen Sharing application into your Dock from /System/Library/Core Services and you will be able to use it stand alone. Very handy. If you also use Terminal to add defaults write com.apple.ScreenSharing ShowBonjourBrowser_Debug 1 it makes it even nicer. I saw that tip in MacWorld late last year. Signaturehttp://www.ericlindsay.com > In Windows, I use Remote Desktop or pcAnywhere to control our Windows > 2003 standard server. In Leopard, is there any built-in utility or 3rd > party software to accomplish this job. ====== I use LOGMEIN (free) to control hundreds of Windows boxes (including Server 2003) and it is great. If you need remote printing or file transfer, you have to pop for the paid version. |
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